Alan Pardew

[gbandit]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

[Zero]

So do you notice HBA failed to intercept even once during the match? Ox and Gervinho just dribble passed him without any pressure every time. 

 

I think the point you guys have been missing is building up plays on floor, while not as "fluke" and ineffective as the hoof ball, actually bears a lot of risk of being counter attacked, where our full back is forced to be one on one against opponents wingers. santon actually didn't do too bad against walcott. Perch lose ALL one on one battles and he needs Jonas to cover every time.

 

With the missing of Santon, who can link up well with Jonas? perch? Serious? And the failure would immediate gift opponents a counter attack against our defense? It's Arsenal ffs. I would be furious if it's Wolves of WBA but it is away at Arsenal, with wingers like Walcott Ox and Gervinho who have plenty of pace to burn. Why is that playing safe for 25 mins and having a go for the rest could be criticized like that?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

 

Has anyone actually said any of that? These phantom posters cause a lot of trouble on here.

[Spudil]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

 

Has anyone actually said any of that? These phantom posters cause a lot of trouble on here.

 

With 20 mins left we again tried to build up plays on floor

 

It's on the last page man.

[gbandit]

A lot of people were saying things like "pardew has his reasons", "I'll trust pardew on this one" in regards to obertan over HBA at times and even Raylor likewise.the same applied when Raylor was at left back over Santon and it will continue to next season when players like Marveaux,ferguson and vuckic struggle to get a look in over Raylor

[Zero]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

 

I watched every matches this season, I have to give up sleeping last nite and go to work immediately after the match.

 

It is fucking obvious that we intentionally change the tactics to protect Perch. On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense if we start the game with a 451 and hoof the ball. Obertan was instructed to assist Ba whenever Ba gets the ball from the midfield, and spray the ball back to the wingers which was very successful for the first 45mins. this only works when we play it on the ground. Obviously this was not the case in the 2nd. Obertan was nth but shit during the hoof ball era.

 

The injury of Santon forced Pardew to play Perch, and the game plan has to be changed. I have no problem for that. I can't criticize this decision. I really can't. You can have a go for wolves or all other matches but the thought of Walcott v Perch was fucking terrible - and it proved to be correct at last. santon was a much much better one on one defender than Perch.

[Guest Dontooner]

Average manager, every club that had him in thier club says the same things. Certainly, dont see it any different here. Wishful thinking for some really, if history and stats doesnt paint you a story, i guess alot of emotional work is done in thier assessment.

[Zero]

Go back to the match thread. Someone did say "we finally make a short pass build up plays in scone half - and it worked"

 

That play was started by Simpson making a direct pass to Shola, who hold up thte ball well and spray to other players.

 

We were playing more aggressive after 70 mins.

[AliGupter]

I can't believe the lack of criticism Pardew is getting for yesterday away from these boards. I'd have honestly been annoyed even if we'd escaped with the draw such was the ineptitude of our display yet again. Stealing a draw would have meant very little in the grand scheme of things - the way our football is going we're not going to build towards anything.

 

Aye, the football we've played this calendar year (bar Man Utd) has been awful and there are very little signs it's going to improve.

 

Dunno like, I agreed with you after Wolves as you know, it all collapsed at half time against Fulham, but we played very well 2nd half v Sunderland and had a decent performance last night considering the circumstances (Arsenal flying). There's certainly signs it could improve.

[Dr Venkman]

So do you notice HBA failed to intercept even once during the match? Ox and Gervinho just dribble passed him without any pressure every time. 

 

 

If you want to be taken seriously don't start a post with a criticism of the tackling ability of our best creative player. Like two peas in a pod you and Pards.

[gbandit]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

 

I watched every matches this season, I have to give up sleeping last nite and go to work immediately after the match.

 

It is f***ing obvious that we intentionally change the tactics to protect Perch. On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense if we start the game with a 451 and hoof the ball. Obertan was instructed to assist Ba whenever Ba gets the ball from the midfield, and spray the ball back to the wingers which was very successful for the first 45mins. this only works when we play it on the ground. Obviously this was not the case in the 2nd. Obertan was nth but s*** during the hoof ball era.

 

The injury of Santon forced Pardew to play Perch, and the game plan has to be changed. I have no problem for that. I can't criticize this decision. I really can't. You can have a go for wolves or all other matches but the thought of Walcott v Perch was f***ing terrible - and it proved to be correct at last. santon was a much much better one on one defender than Perch.

 

Nothing was successful about Obertan yesterday. He either didn't make a mistake or did, he did absolutely nothing of any note and please don't say 'the build up to HBA's goal'. In regards to Perch against Walcott, he had exactly the same problems as Santon, only he put in a couple of more impressive challenges. Santon while he was on the pitch offered us movement up front but if you think that taking him off means we can only play by kicking the ball 60 yards to Koscielny/Vermaelen so that they can build from the back and pass it around us for fun then you're wrong. Cabaye/Tiote/Jonas/Colo/HBA/ even Shola yesterday can pass the ball about on the ground well, they don't need to just feed Arsenal so that our defence can once again be opened up

[Zero]

I didn't criticize his tackling ability. Jesus. If you fail to see HBA gives lots of space to opponents it is your problem. How many positions could we expose to Arsenal then? Simpson is very reliable eh?

 

We must play HBA, but this doesn't mean we can ignore his risk. By taking so much risk on our right, is it that strange to try to protect our left a bit more?

 

When do we have a back four that is that fucking good? I really don't know. I just know except Colo we were playing championship quality defenders against Big 4 in our second half.

[Dr Venkman]

I didn't criticize his tackling ability. Jesus. If you fail to see HBA gives lots of space to opponents it is your problem. How many positions could we expose to Arsenal then? Simpson is very reliable eh?

 

We must play HBA, but this doesn't mean we can ignore his risk. By taking so much risk on our right, is it that strange to try to protect our left a bit more?

 

When do we have a back four that is that fucking good? I really don't know. I just know except Colo we were playing championship quality defenders against Big 4 in our second half.

 

That would be your problem actually, he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block. You think we should try and cancel out our defensive frailties by defending, so does Pardew,  I think it's completely backwards.

[Zero]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

 

I watched every matches this season, I have to give up sleeping last nite and go to work immediately after the match.

 

It is f***ing obvious that we intentionally change the tactics to protect Perch. On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense if we start the game with a 451 and hoof the ball. Obertan was instructed to assist Ba whenever Ba gets the ball from the midfield, and spray the ball back to the wingers which was very successful for the first 45mins. this only works when we play it on the ground. Obviously this was not the case in the 2nd. Obertan was nth but s*** during the hoof ball era.

 

The injury of Santon forced Pardew to play Perch, and the game plan has to be changed. I have no problem for that. I can't criticize this decision. I really can't. You can have a go for wolves or all other matches but the thought of Walcott v Perch was f***ing terrible - and it proved to be correct at last. santon was a much much better one on one defender than Perch.

 

Nothing was successful about Obertan yesterday.

 

I stopped reading here.

[Zero]

I didn't criticize his tackling ability. Jesus. If you fail to see HBA gives lots of space to opponents it is your problem. How many positions could we expose to Arsenal then? Simpson is very reliable eh?

 

We must play HBA, but this doesn't mean we can ignore his risk. By taking so much risk on our right, is it that strange to try to protect our left a bit more?

 

When do we have a back four that is that f***ing good? I really don't know. I just know except Colo we were playing championship quality defenders against Big 4 in our second half.

 

That would be your problem actually, he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block. You think we should try and cancel out our defensive frailties by defending, so does Pardew,  I think it's completely backwards.

 

"he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block" - and the end result is the opponent has spaces to run and attack Simpson directly.

 

I repeat, I am ok with that, I am willing to take that risk, but on the other side it's Perch v Walcott FFS.  You really think we could score a few goals and concede less, away at Emirates, with Perch, Willo and Simpson? Tell me, your answer is?

[Sifu]

For me, even if we had drawn the match, I still would have posted the same thing I posted last night. Seriously, if we had continued the second half in the same vein as the first, we would have got a result imho (nicking a win maybe).

[Dokko]

Only four more years.

[Dr Venkman]

I didn't criticize his tackling ability. Jesus. If you fail to see HBA gives lots of space to opponents it is your problem. How many positions could we expose to Arsenal then? Simpson is very reliable eh?

 

We must play HBA, but this doesn't mean we can ignore his risk. By taking so much risk on our right, is it that strange to try to protect our left a bit more?

 

When do we have a back four that is that f***ing good? I really don't know. I just know except Colo we were playing championship quality defenders against Big 4 in our second half.

 

That would be your problem actually, he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block. You think we should try and cancel out our defensive frailties by defending, so does Pardew,  I think it's completely backwards.

 

"he doesnt give anyone space, he's just not very good at stopping people, be it with a tackle or a block" - and the end result is the opponent has spaces to run and attack Simpson directly.

 

I repeat, I am ok with that, I am willing to take that risk, but on the other side it's Perch v Walcott FFS.  You really think we could score a few goals and concede less, away at Emirates, with Perch, Willo and Simpson? Answer me, your answer is?

 

Stop going on like Walcott's any good, he's not.

 

To answer your question I think the performance last night is indicative of the way Pardew's got us playing, I don't think we should go toe to toe with Arsenal and try and beat them at their own game, but I reckon if he'd tried to coach a bit of attacking intent and nous into them that when we did have the ball we might have done a bit more with it as a team.

[Zero]

For me, even if we had drawn the match, I still would have posted the same thing I posted last night. Seriously, if we had continued the second half in the same vein as the first, we would have got a result imho.

 

I would have the same opinion if Santon's not injured.  That change is criminal if it is for tactical reason.  Perch made 2 fucking stupid tackles within 15 mins.  Santon seems like playing badly because he didn't get as much support from Jonas than Perch.  Watch the match again and notice where is Jonas.

[gbandit]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

 

I watched every matches this season, I have to give up sleeping last nite and go to work immediately after the match.

 

It is f***ing obvious that we intentionally change the tactics to protect Perch. On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense if we start the game with a 451 and hoof the ball. Obertan was instructed to assist Ba whenever Ba gets the ball from the midfield, and spray the ball back to the wingers which was very successful for the first 45mins. this only works when we play it on the ground. Obviously this was not the case in the 2nd. Obertan was nth but s*** during the hoof ball era.

 

The injury of Santon forced Pardew to play Perch, and the game plan has to be changed. I have no problem for that. I can't criticize this decision. I really can't. You can have a go for wolves or all other matches but the thought of Walcott v Perch was f***ing terrible - and it proved to be correct at last. santon was a much much better one on one defender than Perch.

 

Nothing was successful about Obertan yesterday.

 

I stopped reading here.

 

We're quite obviously seeing the game in a totally different way. If you think someone getting the ball passed to them and then passing it to someone else is an achievement, you've set yourself up for a happy life. What Obertan did yesterday was run the ball out of play once or twice, ran with it in an incredibly promising position and then misplaced a pass to Ben Arfa, ran around a lot and completed a few passes.

 

This was a 5/10 performance

[Zero]

 

Stop going on like Walcott's any good, he's not.

 

To answer your question I think the performance last night is indicative of the way Pardew's got us playing, I don't think we should go toe to toe with Arsenal and try and beat them at their own game, but I reckon if he'd tried to coach a bit of attacking intent and nous into them that when we did have the ball we might have done a bit more with it as a team.

 

So the shit Walcott costs us 2 goals last night. Thanks god he is shit.

 

There is something you could criticize, like Cabaye's position and movement during the 1st half.  The story is completely different for 2nd half though.  May be we should blame Pards for not saying to Ashley "a new RB/LB and CB or I quit" during January.  That would really solve the problem.

[Mr Logic]

Sets out not to lose rather than to win. Slowly eroding the confidence of the better players I shouldn't wonder.

 

Felt sick when Arsenal scored their winner, but that was just compounding how I felt watching the long balls fly straight to Arsenal time and time - and time -  again.

[EthiGeordie]

his changes of formation at the beginning of the match was perfect. at half time I would sub Oberton to Perch and keep Santon further up  and double down on Walcot. Jonas should have giving cover to Simmo and HBA should have roam. We sub Tiotie and when Simmo injured Santon would have come to his position and put Shola on.

[Dr Venkman]

 

Stop going on like Walcott's any good, he's not.

 

To answer your question I think the performance last night is indicative of the way Pardew's got us playing, I don't think we should go toe to toe with Arsenal and try and beat them at their own game, but I reckon if he'd tried to coach a bit of attacking intent and nous into them that when we did have the ball we might have done a bit more with it as a team.

 

So the shit Walcott costs us 2 goals last night. Thanks god he is shit.

 

There is something you could criticize, like Cabaye's position and movement during the 1st half.  The story is completely different for 2nd half though.  May be we should blame Pards for not saying to Ashley "a new RB/LB and CB or I quit" during January.  That would really solve the problem.

 

Ok, ok, I hear you, it's not Pardew, it's the players. Been saying for months I'll finally make my mind up on Pardew next season when we've undoubtedly got reinforcements in defence.

[BottledDog]

Zero "build up plays on floor"

 

Are you seriously suggesting our game plan was to build along the ground?it happened by default when tiote or HBA were on the ball.cannot beleive how people just swallow stuff up,like when people say "pardew knows best" when a good player is left out for a poor one.are all these people watching all our matches or just reading match reports?

 

I watched every matches this season, I have to give up sleeping last nite and go to work immediately after the match.

 

It is f***ing obvious that we intentionally change the tactics to protect Perch. On the other hand, it wouldn't make sense if we start the game with a 451 and hoof the ball. Obertan was instructed to assist Ba whenever Ba gets the ball from the midfield, and spray the ball back to the wingers which was very successful for the first 45mins. this only works when we play it on the ground. Obviously this was not the case in the 2nd. Obertan was nth but s*** during the hoof ball era.

 

The injury of Santon forced Pardew to play Perch, and the game plan has to be changed. I have no problem for that. I can't criticize this decision. I really can't. You can have a go for wolves or all other matches but the thought of Walcott v Perch was f***ing terrible - and it proved to be correct at last. santon was a much much better one on one defender than Perch.

 

Nothing was successful about Obertan yesterday. He either didn't make a mistake or did, he did absolutely nothing of any note and please don't say 'the build up to HBA's goal'. In regards to Perch against Walcott, he had exactly the same problems as Santon, only he put in a couple of more impressive challenges. Santon while he was on the pitch offered us movement up front but if you think that taking him off means we can only play by kicking the ball 60 yards to Koscielny/Vermaelen so that they can build from the back and pass it around us for fun then you're wrong. Cabaye/Tiote/Jonas/Colo/HBA/ even Shola yesterday can pass the ball about on the ground well, they don't need to just feed Arsenal so that our defence can once again be opened up

 

"please don't say 'the build up to HBA's goal'"  - Why not? It deserves praise. The rest of his performance was the standard fare of mind boggling decision making, and a complete lack of conviction in his own ability.

 

I agree with a fair bit of what Zero has said over the last few pages. The line-up was creative and nearly worked very well, but Santon and Obertan struggled badly. We made the right substitutions, could have nicked it, but by actually throwing too many players up for the throw, an individual mistake from Simpson (who had pretty good game tbf) cost us.

 

I saw nothing to suggest we set out to 'hoof' the ball, but with the likes of Cabaye and Jonas struggling to keep possession, constantly chasing shadows saw us tire badly. This led to the players themselves kicking it long as the only way to temporarily relieve pressure (especially after Tiote limped out), with only effectively Shola able to try and hang onto the ball by the end with Ba barely able to move.