Alan Pardew

[Beren]

I'm interested to know if young Gabriel Obertan has an injury, or if Pardew has frozen him out due to his non-performances.

 

Yeah, it's all gone quiet on Obertan, can't say I'm in the least bothered. When Marveaux makes his recovery I think Pardew will be hard pressed to play Obertan, especially with Ferguson becoming a more viable winger alternative than Obertan

 

Oh, I'm not bothered/concerned by Obertan's absence - don't get me wrong. It's just interesting to see how Pardew is handling it, I suppose.

 

IIRC Obertan first left the first-team picture due to injury, but Pardew tried to re-integrate him thereafter. I think then Pardew left him out for poor performances, and since then we've heard of niggling injuries here and there, but I'm not sure.

 

My hope is that, behind closed doors, Pardew has been very stern with him and told him to stop being a passenger on the pitch and to develop some confidence if he wants to be a part-of first team football - which is the official reason Gabriel gave for why he came here. To get minutes. You'd think it'd be sufficient motivation.

 

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[Elliottman]

I'm interested to know if young Gabriel Obertan has an injury, or if Pardew has frozen him out due to his non-performances.

 

Yeah, it's all gone quiet on Obertan, can't say I'm in the least bothered. When Marveaux makes his recovery I think Pardew will be hard pressed to play Obertan, especially with Ferguson becoming a more viable winger alternative than Obertan

 

Oh, I'm not bothered/concerned by Obertan's absence - don't get me wrong. It's just interesting to see how Pardew is handling it, I suppose.

 

IIRC Obertan first left the first-team picture due to injury, but Pardew tried to re-integrate him thereafter. I think then Pardew left him out for poor performances, and since then we've heard of niggling injuries here and there, but I'm not sure.

 

My hope is that, behind closed doors, Pardew has been very stern with him and told him to stop being a passenger on the pitch and to develop some confidence if he wants to be a part-of first team football - which is the official reason Gabriel gave for why he came here. To get minutes. You'd think it'd be sufficient motivation.

 

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Im sure Ryder tweeted something yesterday about being back for Stoke? Unless I dreamed it.

[Guest ToonZA]

I'm interested to know if young Gabriel Obertan has an injury, or if Pardew has frozen him out due to his non-performances.

 

Yeah, it's all gone quiet on Obertan, can't say I'm in the least bothered. When Marveaux makes his recovery I think Pardew will be hard pressed to play Obertan, especially with Ferguson becoming a more viable winger alternative than Obertan

 

Oh, I'm not bothered/concerned by Obertan's absence - don't get me wrong. It's just interesting to see how Pardew is handling it, I suppose.

 

IIRC Obertan first left the first-team picture due to injury, but Pardew tried to re-integrate him thereafter. I think then Pardew left him out for poor performances, and since then we've heard of niggling injuries here and there, but I'm not sure.

 

My hope is that, behind closed doors, Pardew has been very stern with him and told him to stop being a passenger on the pitch and to develop some confidence if he wants to be a part-of first team football - which is the official reason Gabriel gave for why he came here. To get minutes. You'd think it'd be sufficient motivation.

 

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Im sure Ryder tweeted something yesterday about being back for Stoke? Unless I dreamed it.

Sounds more like a nightmare mate

[Frazzle]

I'm interested to know if young Gabriel Obertan has an injury, or if Pardew has frozen him out due to his non-performances.

 

Yeah, it's all gone quiet on Obertan, can't say I'm in the least bothered. When Marveaux makes his recovery I think Pardew will be hard pressed to play Obertan, especially with Ferguson becoming a more viable winger alternative than Obertan

 

Oh, I'm not bothered/concerned by Obertan's absence - don't get me wrong. It's just interesting to see how Pardew is handling it, I suppose.

 

IIRC Obertan first left the first-team picture due to injury, but Pardew tried to re-integrate him thereafter. I think then Pardew left him out for poor performances, and since then we've heard of niggling injuries here and there, but I'm not sure.

 

My hope is that, behind closed doors, Pardew has been very stern with him and told him to stop being a passenger on the pitch and to develop some confidence if he wants to be a part-of first team football - which is the official reason Gabriel gave for why he came here. To get minutes. You'd think it'd be sufficient motivation.

 

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I imagine it would be pretty difficult to develop confidence when your own fans groan if you don't cross the ball first time, berate you every time you lose the ball and cheer when you leave the field.

 

Still, the fans were right about Perch (and numerous others in the past....), so maybe they should carry on like this. 

[TherealnorthernTOON]

Really think this formation can be a blessing for Obertan, really think he can be an asset on the left hand side cutting inwards and mixing it up with HBA and Cabaye. He allways saw for that opportunity to go inside earlier in the season. Aswell as he got somekind of footballing brain and he seems to be clever with some of the things he does. He just seems scared to fail miserably. Remember, this transfer pretty much was tail between legs for him, and if he can't succeed to atleast be a part of the first team squad here he has failed.

[pi_D]

I'm interested to know if young Gabriel Obertan has an injury, or if Pardew has frozen him out due to his non-performances.

 

Yeah, it's all gone quiet on Obertan, can't say I'm in the least bothered. When Marveaux makes his recovery I think Pardew will be hard pressed to play Obertan, especially with Ferguson becoming a more viable winger alternative than Obertan

 

Oh, I'm not bothered/concerned by Obertan's absence - don't get me wrong. It's just interesting to see how Pardew is handling it, I suppose.

 

IIRC Obertan first left the first-team picture due to injury, but Pardew tried to re-integrate him thereafter. I think then Pardew left him out for poor performances, and since then we've heard of niggling injuries here and there, but I'm not sure.

 

My hope is that, behind closed doors, Pardew has been very stern with him and told him to stop being a passenger on the pitch and to develop some confidence if he wants to be a part-of first team football - which is the official reason Gabriel gave for why he came here. To get minutes. You'd think it'd be sufficient motivation.

 

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I imagine it would be pretty difficult to develop confidence when your own fans groan if you don't cross the ball first time, berate you every time you lose the ball and cheer when you leave the field.

 

Still, the fans were right about Perch (and numerous others in the past....), so maybe they should carry on like this. 

 

[gbandit]

In fairness, it was difficult for the fans to get behind Perch when for the start of his career, all he did was mistime challenges and pick up cards. Hardly surprising that most didn't think he'd make it, full credit to the lad for upping his game. He's been one of our top 3 performers in the last four-five games.

 

As for Obertan, I'd never boo him at a game or applaud him coming off but the reality is, he's shown very, very little to suggest he can come good here. He'd require a Perch transformation and I'd say that's very unlikely, especially if we continue to do good business and marginalise him further

[Frazzle]

It kind of defeats the object of being a supporter when you only cheer players who are doing well though doesn't it?  And its not even about Obertan coming good, its about giving him the chance to do so.

 

I understand people getting frustrated at games, happens to all of us, but if you can't refrain from cheering one of our own players from being subbed then you may as well fuck off now.

[Cajun]

In fairness, it was difficult for the fans to get behind Perch when for the start of his career, all he did was mistime challenges and pick up cards. Hardly surprising that most didn't think he'd make it, full credit to the lad for upping his game. He's been one of our top 3 performers in the last four-five games.

 

As for Obertan, I'd never boo him at a game or applaud him coming off but the reality is, he's shown very, very little to suggest he can come good here. He'd require a Perch transformation and I'd say that's very unlikely, especially if we continue to do good business and marginalise him further

 

I would say Perch along with Guthrie and Raylor make it more likely Obertan can go on to be a good player for us.

 

Pardew has got a lot out of players deemed not good enough, including Best. Saylor was brilliant before his injury too.

 

It's far, far too early to write off Obertan (or Gosling for that matter). Both are still young and finding their feet. It's the first season at a new club for Obertan and Gosling has started about 6 games in 2 years.

[Beren]

I'd be more sympathetic to Obertan if I saw more effort tbh. Perch never lacked effort. That's not to say I don't think he'll come good eventually, or that he deserves to be heckled and beeeeeeeeeewed... but it helps when you demonstrate the right attitude through rough patches. It counts for a lot.

[Frazzle]

I agree the lack of effort should be criticised but I wouldn't say Obertan has been strolling around with his hands on his hips.  He's bottled out of a few challenges but you can't really expect him to do what Perch does either can you?  Two completely different styles of players.

[gbandit]

In fairness, it was difficult for the fans to get behind Perch when for the start of his career, all he did was mistime challenges and pick up cards. Hardly surprising that most didn't think he'd make it, full credit to the lad for upping his game. He's been one of our top 3 performers in the last four-five games.

 

As for Obertan, I'd never boo him at a game or applaud him coming off but the reality is, he's shown very, very little to suggest he can come good here. He'd require a Perch transformation and I'd say that's very unlikely, especially if we continue to do good business and marginalise him further

 

I would say Perch along with Guthrie and Raylor make it more likely Obertan can go on to be a good player for us.

 

Pardew has got a lot out of players deemed not good enough, including Best. Saylor was brilliant before his injury too.

 

It's far, far too early to write off Obertan (or Gosling for that matter). Both are still young and finding their feet. It's the first season at a new club for Obertan and Gosling has started about 6 games in 2 years.

 

You're completely right about players coming good after poor starts. I always rated Best and Saylor to put in good performances but I did not think Perch or Guthrie would improve to the levels they have. As for Gosling, I definitely think he'll come good. My problem with Obertan is that he makes the wrong decision far too often and it's not that he's technically flawed, not at all, it's that mentally he isn't there on a confidence level or a football-understanding level.

 

I hope he comes through and improves but if I had the choice I'd put other players ahead of him like Ferguson who I think will improve much quicker. If we get into Europe, I really hope Obertan gets games and manages to develop

[pi_D]

Tbh fans are just fickle as fuck

 

No two ways about it really 

 

If Perch has a couple of poor performances he will be thrown to the dogs, like

[Cajun]

In fairness, it was difficult for the fans to get behind Perch when for the start of his career, all he did was mistime challenges and pick up cards. Hardly surprising that most didn't think he'd make it, full credit to the lad for upping his game. He's been one of our top 3 performers in the last four-five games.

 

As for Obertan, I'd never boo him at a game or applaud him coming off but the reality is, he's shown very, very little to suggest he can come good here. He'd require a Perch transformation and I'd say that's very unlikely, especially if we continue to do good business and marginalise him further

 

I would say Perch along with Guthrie and Raylor make it more likely Obertan can go on to be a good player for us.

 

Pardew has got a lot out of players deemed not good enough, including Best. Saylor was brilliant before his injury too.

 

It's far, far too early to write off Obertan (or Gosling for that matter). Both are still young and finding their feet. It's the first season at a new club for Obertan and Gosling has started about 6 games in 2 years.

 

You're completely right about players coming good after poor starts. I always rated Best and Saylor to put in good performances but I did not think Perch or Guthrie would improve to the levels they have. As for Gosling, I definitely think he'll come good. My problem with Obertan is that he makes the wrong decision far too often and it's not that he's technically flawed, not at all, it's that mentally he isn't there on a confidence level or a football-understanding level.

 

I hope he comes through and improves but if I had the choice I'd put other players ahead of him like Ferguson who I think will improve much quicker. If we get into Europe, I really hope Obertan gets games and manages to develop

 

[Guest Chubby Jason]

How long has it been since we had a manager that completed a full Premiership season?

[Beren]

Benitez?

[Cajun]

How long has it been since we had a manager that completed a full Premiership season?

 

Too long. It feels good (will probably get sacked tomorrow now).

[Varadi]

How long has it been since we had a manager that completed a full Premiership season?

 

Think Roeder did the full 2006/07 season - he was sacked as soon as it finished iirc.

[Guest Chubby Jason]

I think it was Sir Bobby wasn't it? Roeder nearly did but got sacked before the Watford game on the last day.

 

That's about 7 -8 years, that's ridiculous.

[Frazzle]

Roeder went before the last game

[Guest Chubby Jason]

indeed

[Gallowgate Toon]

Played them perfectly yesterday, got a feeling he knows we can rip Bolton on Monday too. Doing very well at the minute, top work.

[Guest neesy111]

How long has it been since we had a manager that completed a full Premiership season?

 

Think Roeder did the full 2006/07 season - he was sacked as soon as it finished iirc.

 

Nope, was sacked after last home game.  Pearson took charge of Watford (a) last game.

 

It's 2003/04.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

If anything the football we have played recently backs up what the likes of myself have been saying for a good while now, we really do have the players to play good football. Only Pardew's team selections, team lineups and tactics, all hampered our ability to play good football which didn't always effect results but always effected performances. Now he is picking the right players, in the right lineup and with the right tactics. The result of this is there for all to see. 4 successive wins and some fantastic football played in between with key players now starring, notably Ben Arfa and Cabaye, our two most creative players.

 

And Pardew deserves full praise for this, he really does. However, I'm not personally going to get carried away just yet. If he can continue to pick the right players in the right lineup with the right tactics not just in one or two games but over the course of many, and performances continue as they are right now, then I for one will change my views of him.

 

I will however not retract my previous criticisms because they have been justified and valid at the time. Indeed watching us perform so well and seeing Ben Arfa tearing the opposition a new one, actually rankles with me. Perhaps had we started with him much earlier and tried to play good football in all our games, we might be cementing a CL place right now rather that the likely Europ League place we currently occupy.

 

For me, I have never had a problem with our position in the table or our results, which have been brilliant, it has always been about the performances and right now we are performing really well and finally, it seems, the penny has fallen for Pardew and long may it continue and if so you won't see me complaining, even if results and league placings started to drop off.

 

If we play like we have been in the last 3 games though we will win even more games and finish really well in the tabe.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

One thing that I will give Pardew massive credit for is the performances of our so-called lesser players like Williamson, Ryan Taylor, Perch etc. I think these players require a very hands on type of approach in terms of coaching, tactics etc. over the more talented of players who don't really need such an approach. This is where Pardew excells due to his preparation, man management and motivation skills. As a result these so-called lesser players can come in and perform really well and really contribute. He can be credited with the improvement in the games of all those players previously mentioned and even those with ability such as Guthrie. In the past few games he's allowed our better players to play their natural game if you like and provided the instructions/tactics to those that need it like Perch etc. and that is the balance we require, especially the players. Basically the right balance is being struck at the moment with the players and they are all performing well as individuals and more importantly as a team, in unison, be it in attack or in defence.