Guest BooBoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Only Bobby has bounced back as a manger. It was the end for Gullit and Kinnear immediately lost any small amount of goodwill he'd built up. It's not a game that any NUFC boss can afford to lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Basically NUFC.com nailed it when they said he should just stop talking. Nothing he comes out with is credible or even relevant. I get it that he's trying to keep spirits up with promises of good news, but he hasn't got the muscle to back up his mouth and it weakens him every time. Lose on Saturday and he might as well resign. Why, exactly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Basically he's already on thin ice and a defeat to that lot will go down like a fart in a lift. He'll be castigated if we lose, especially on the back of so many failed promises this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Basically NUFC.com nailed it when they said he should just stop talking. Nothing he comes out with is credible or even relevant. I get it that he's trying to keep spirits up with promises of good news, but he hasn't got the muscle to back up his mouth and it weakens him every time. Lose on Saturday and he might as well resign. Managers with 5 year contracts don't resign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 He's only on thin ice (with the fans) because the owners keep feeding him bullshit to spout in pressers, which he has to do to keep his job. On the pitch we've done alright imo, nout special like, but alright for the resources he's been afforded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I think the general (and lets be honest, truthful) perception is still that he's just the regime's yes man. So it would go down a shitter with the fans if we lost but I think most of the ire would be directed further up the food chain than mouthpiece Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me. The only thing he's done wrong? That and let us go into the new season with no real strikers, no left back, three centre halves... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me. The only thing he's done wrong? That and let us go into the new season with no real strikers, no left back, three centre halves... Aye, all Pardew's decision's them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me. The only thing he's done wrong? That and let us go into the new season with no real strikers, no left back, three centre halves... Well it isn't the end of the window yet. I've always said it would be indefensible if we didn't sign a LB, and I hope we're trying for another striker as well. Yes it would be ideal to have them in before the season, but getting them in before the end of the window is the main thing for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If you can't see that a defeat to the mackems would put any NUFC manager under incredible pressure, then I'm not quite convinced you grasp the fabric of the club, the fans and the level of feeling in the north east. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If you can't see that a defeat to the mackems would put any NUFC manager under incredible pressure, then I'm not quite convinced you grasp the fabric of the club, the fans and the level of feeling in the north east. A defeat to the mackems would put him under pressure, but as of yet I don't really see why he's under pressure. He did a good job last season, and a point against Arsenal is a good result isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If you can't see that a defeat to the mackems would put any NUFC manager under incredible pressure, then I'm not quite convinced you grasp the fabric of the club, the fans and the level of feeling in the north east. Obviously I can see that it will be bad for Pardew if we lose to Sunderland, and that it's worse than losing another game. But to say stuff like "he may as well resign if we lose" as well as "he's on thin ice already" is ludicrous IMO. From any sane point of view he's done a decent job... one loss shouldn't change that no matter who it's against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If you can't see that a defeat to the mackems would put any NUFC manager under incredible pressure, then I'm not quite convinced you grasp the fabric of the club, the fans and the level of feeling in the north east. Like I said, I reckon a lot of it would dilute up the ladder in this case. People would blame the gruesome twosome as much as Pardew. And lets be honest while he's their yes-man they aren't going to sack the fucker no matter what we think, say or do are they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If you can't see that a defeat to the mackems would put any NUFC manager under incredible pressure, then I'm not quite convinced you grasp the fabric of the club, the fans and the level of feeling in the north east. No one said that wouldn't put him under pressure did they? Unless I missed it. I don't see how he's under pressure now though, all of this shit so far is the on the owner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Plus you have to counter it with if Pardew goes then who will we get? Who else will come and work with the regime as it is, wouldn't want to risk getting JFK or someone of that ilk back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me. The only thing he's done wrong? That and let us go into the new season with no real strikers, no left back, three centre halves... Aye, all Pardew's decision's them... Tbh I doubt there are many clubs where the manager gets anywhere near negotiating transfer fees, terms etc. It's a case of deciding who the targets are (in consultation with the scout and the manager) and the board take it from there. It's certainly what was done under Shepherd and from what you read it's what happens elsewhere. Managers don't control the purse strings so they can't negotiate financial terms. Edit: btw I did realise you were being a tad sarcastic..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Plus you have to counter it with if Pardew goes then who will we get? Who else will come and work with the regime as it is, wouldn't want to risk getting JFK or someone of that ilk back. Horrible realisation hitting again that we'll never have another really good manager until this regime is gone, and that's going to be a long time coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I think a few people are grossly underestimating the level of discontent amongst our fans. Lose the derby and the pressure will be cranked up another couple of notches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I think a few people are grossly underestimating the level of discontent amongst our fans. Lose the derby and the pressure will be cranked up another couple of notches. Isn't the mood on here much worse than among the rest of the support? I always assumed it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I think a few people are grossly underestimating the level of discontent amongst our fans. Lose the derby and the pressure will be cranked up another couple of notches. Don't get me wrong, I like this board but the feeling between the average poster and the average fan at SJP is often poles apart. Speaking to people at the Arsenal game, people are very fed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I wouldn't say he's done a bad job so far, disagree that he's already on thin ice as well. Same, I can't see why anyone would think he's even remotely under pressure TBH. Also, if he's as close to Ashley as everyone thinks then he won't be sacked anyway. What? Well no more than any other manager at the start of a season. We outperformed expectations last year, the only thing he's done wrong is allow Carroll and Enrique to leave, and he probably couldn't stop them anyway. Just can't understand how he's done anything other than a decent job, and as such he's under no pressure for me. The only thing he's done wrong? That and let us go into the new season with no real strikers, no left back, three centre halves... Aye, all Pardew's decision's them... Tbh I doubt there are many clubs where the manager gets anywhere near negotiating transfer fees, terms etc. It's a case of deciding who the targets are (in consultation with the scout and the manager) and the board take it from there. It's certainly what was done under Shepherd and from what you read it's what happens elsewhere. Managers don't control the purse strings so they can't negotiate financial terms. Edit: btw I did realise you were being a tad sarcastic..... tad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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