Guest Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 And yes I'm fully aware there's been results like Fulham, WBA and Swansea but we'd be looking at around 3rd if we were getting results in every single game where we were favourites, which just isn't going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 But surely the fact we're the one team in those 6-7 teams we mention that is performing above expectation is credit to Pardew? Of the teams going for 7th, Pardew's done a job on all barring Norwich, which was a freak result down to having 3 centre backs out. The rest are all taking points off each other, we've been the one side consistent enough to do well. i don't know, what're we arguing about here? i'm not saying he's not done OK i'm saying that i feel his style of play is now holding us back along with some of his decisions, and has been for some time basically i'm certainly not counting the days 'til he's fired or whatever though, i just want him to wake the fuck up on certain aspects like shola, perch and the fact that we have the nucleus of what could be a quality footballing side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Chicken Lickens out in force again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I think we both know if given the choice he wouldn't have Shola and Perch starting games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 What's perch done wrong btw? He looked far more composed than Willo or simpson did. I find them playing in the same side a real, genuine problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I'm counting the days until Pardew is sacked. Sometimes the first impression is the right one and mine was formed when Pardew pandered to the East End rags and dropped Mascherano and Tevez because he just didn't know how to use them. His best results have come when he's reverted to the long ball because that's where his heart lies, but our buying policy is light years ahead and he's struggling to incorporate modern day footballers into his '80s mindset. I don't know why he took the players to Tenerife tbh, he should have took them to Butlins. This is exactly why myths about how demanding we are are continually mentioned. 6th in the league and drooling, window lickers are waiting for our manager to be sacked, you just know this is linked in a Sunderland forum and we're all tarnished with the same stick as knackers like this. Intellectual cripples are a stain on the fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Are we back to the "pardew out " business again because lost a game?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Hypothetical question, but what's the chances, when Pardew does go, do you reckon that the next manager will be French. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I'm counting the days until Pardew is sacked. Sometimes the first impression is the right one and mine was formed when Pardew pandered to the East End rags and dropped Mascherano and Tevez because he just didn't know how to use them. His best results have come when he's reverted to the long ball because that's where his heart lies, but our buying policy is light years ahead and he's struggling to incorporate modern day footballers into his '80s mindset. I don't know why he took the players to Tenerife tbh, he should have took them to Butlins. This is exactly why myths about how demanding we are are continually mentioned. 6th in the league and drooling, window lickers are waiting for our manager to be sacked, you just know this is linked in a Sunderland forum and we're all tarnished with the same stick as knackers like this. Intellectual cripples are a stain on the fanbase. says the bloke who refuses to watch home games because the cockney spivs are in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I think we both know if given the choice he wouldn't have Shola and Perch starting games. Agree with your point about Perch. With Ba and Cisse available, I agree with you about Shola but only to a point. With the big guns away though, he still had a choice with Shola and he not only selected him again after two abysmal performances but made him captain of the team?? If he was "forced" to play Shola for 90mins yesterday, was he also "forced" to make him lead the team. That just does not make sense at all. He had other options yesterday but chose to go with Shola even though there was enough evidence available to suggest that he be benched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Are we back to the "pardew out " business again because lost a game?? Is that what I said? It would be a better argument if people actually addressed the points I raised. In a nutshell I'd ask people to consider the following: 1) Shola as our lone striker with his rapier instinct for finding goal scoring positions. 2) Best on the wing because he's a big lad 3) Ben Arfa tracking back because it's more important that Shola is snoozing in the penalty area. This is just yesterday's game, I haven't even got round to Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Are we back to the "pardew out " business again because lost a game?? It appears that way, even trying to get the I told you from day one this would happen, in. 6th, we're 6th, level with Arsenal, above Liverpool who've spent way over £100m, many would have just been happy to stay up when the summer transfer window shut, but oh no, we're waiting for the bloke who has us 6th to be sacked. Not really a surprise on here mind, Williamson has also gone from being brilliant, better than Steven Taylor (who was shite btw) to shite and worse than Steven Taylor who suddenly is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Pardew is a limited manager, but he's the best we can hope for atm and he's doing a good job. We'd be mad to get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Who would we get in his place?? Who would work under the pressure of Mike and Derek with no control over players sales??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Pardew is a limited manager, but he's the best we can hope for atm and he's doing a good job. We'd be mad to get rid. Absolutely and when we got him if we were offered the position we currently find ourselves in, would we be happy? Or would we be waiting for him to be sacked? It appears his hands are tied with transfers, it's looking more and more like he has no say whatsoever in who goes or stays, yet despite all his idiosyncrasies and all his mistakes, the gambles from above on transfers, renaming the stadium and the potential to destabilise, he still comes over-achieves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 bothers me that you can't raise concerns about certain aspects of the manager without being a drooling window licker...how does not questioning anything ever lead to improvement in any walk of life? the answer is it doesn't point stands that replacing him would be crazy, however people really should probably by now acknowledge it won't matter who we buy in the next window the likelihood is this football is what we've got to look forward to, and it's going to be very limited indeed especially if we keep signing players that aren't cut out for it tiote, cabaye, colo, santon, hba, ba, cisse (assume), jonas, marveaux are all first team players who will thrive on playing better quality football, yet we're persistently twatting the ball up field to the big target man if you can't see or acknowledge this then you need to start watching another sport tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Dont think we should get rid of him. Besides we cannot afford it and like most people have said, not many good managers are going to put up with Ashley and his cronies. I just wish he'd grow some balls sometimes and give the opposition the full might of NUFC !! I hope this happens with our full squad available. We don't have to fear teams in this division and I sometimes get the feeling we give certain teams more respect than they deserve and then end up getting nowt for our efforts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Recent games have highlighted singnificant flaws in his approach for me. That's all that can be said imo. I'm not going to engage 'slavering bed-sheet mong' mode just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 bothers me that you can't raise concerns about certain aspects of the manager without being a drooling window licker...how does not questioning anything ever lead to improvement in any walk of life? the answer is it doesn't point stands that replacing him would be crazy, however people really should probably by now acknowledge it won't matter who we buy in the next window the likelihood is this football is what we've got to look forward to, and it's going to be very limited indeed especially if we keep signing players that aren't cut out for it tiote, cabaye, colo, santon, hba, ba, cisse (assume), jonas, marveaux are all first team players who will thrive on playing better quality football, yet we're persistently twatting the ball up field to the big target man if you can't see or acknowledge this then you need to start watching another sport tbh Actually I wouldn't even mind us twatting the ball up to a big target man if we did it with any purpose. You need people in the box to pick up the pieces if you want to play long ball football such as Nolan or Gosling. Pardew is falling between two stools because his instincts are direct football but we are signing footballers who like to play it on the deck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 bothers me that you can't raise concerns about certain aspects of the manager without being a drooling window licker...how does not questioning anything ever lead to improvement in any walk of life? the answer is it doesn't point stands that replacing him would be crazy, however people really should probably by now acknowledge it won't matter who we buy in the next window the likelihood is this football is what we've got to look forward to, and it's going to be very limited indeed especially if we keep signing players that aren't cut out for it tiote, cabaye, colo, santon, hba, ba, cisse (assume), jonas, marveaux are all first team players who will thrive on playing better quality football, yet we're persistently twatting the ball up field to the big target man if you can't see or acknowledge this then you need to start watching another sport tbh That's one of the worst attempts at a strawman I've ever seen, I criticise plenty of what Pardew does, I think it's laughable that he's mentioned with the England job as well. When raising concerns are the same as waiting for a manger to be sacked you might have yourself a fraction of a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 Actually I wouldn't even mind us twatting the ball up to a big target man if we did it with any purpose. You need people in the box to pick up the pieces if you want to play long ball football such as Nolan or Gosling. Pardew is falling between two stools because his instincts are direct football but we are signing footballers who like to play it on the deck. yeah, that's what i'm agreeing to - square pegs round holes man the quality of the footballers we have will get us so far with this approach and it's working, change the system to suit the players we have we could hit gold - and by gold i mean not being shat out of the cup by rubbish again for a starter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I like Pardew. We've had shitter performances with better players with better managers. He's only 15 months into the job, until recently hasn't spent any substantial money and spent the first few months under a backlash from the supporters. Gutted to be out of the cups mind, but given we were in the championship a couple of years ago and now we're currently sitting sixth, then I can't really be too angry at anyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 When raising concerns are the same as waiting for a manger to be sacked you might have yourself a fraction of a point. then you're only talking about Tron then, 'cause i never said that, the opposite in fact Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 It's the gutlessness that seemed apparent after waxing lyrical about a strong cup run that hurts the most in this instance. I like Pardew but he needs to take a step back regarding some starting and sub options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I like Pardew. We've had shitter performances with better players with better managers. He's only 15 months into the job, until recently has spent any substantial money and spent the first few months under a backlash from the supporters. Gutted to be out of the cups mind, but given we were in the championship a couple of years ago, and now we're currently sitting sixth, then I can't really be too angry at anyone. Agree with all of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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