SSN: Charles N'Zogbia to the mackems off

[johnnypd]

Ben Arfa would have went to Werder, Tiote wouldn't have signed a new long-term deal, and Cabaye could have went elsewhere too if they were only on £30k.

 

wouldn't be surprised if Tiote was on something like 30k tbh. remember hearing he was our lowest paid player earlier in the season, and i imagine he would've been on Guthrie esque wages considering he came as a squad player from Twente with only us and West Brom competing to sign him. 30k a week probably trebled his wages at least.

[Guest]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

[Guest BooBoo]

Read an article last season that his initial wage was something like 8k a week.

[SteveMc]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

 

 

1/9/11

[Mick]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

 

Other clubs couldn't offer Tiote anything without our permission.

[Guest]

Depending on which source you believe, the contract went from £8k, to either £40k or £50k.

[madras]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

the wage bill will have increased and say for the signing made so far,signing on fees,agents etc,set aside for wages, say for example 12 mill (3x1mill sign on fee,3x1mill agents,3x2mill this seasons wages)from liverpools 30mill up front,leaves 18mill for 2 further signings plus fees,1 years wages etc.

 

 

[Guest]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

 

Other clubs couldn't offer Tiote anything without our permission.

 

Course not, but he could have turned around and said he wanted to leave for a higher pay if we hadn't given him a big pay to sign the extension.

[madras]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

 

Other clubs couldn't offer Tiote anything without our permission.

in theory,not in reality,unfortunatly.

[PineBarrens]

"Wait until the transfer window's closed before judging" has become a 'groundhog day' style mantra . Under Tubby O' Cheap Tat's tenure ever single transfer window has been consistent - consistently underwhelming.

[Wullie]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

 

 

1/9/11

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

[Wullie]

I'm sure there were promises from somebody at the club, possibly that notorious insider, a year or two back saying we would no longer be getting stung for high agent fees btw. That promise soon went out the window when it suited them.

[Mick]

 

Course not, but he could have turned around and said he wanted to leave for a higher pay if we hadn't given him a big pay to sign the extension.

 

You've said yourself that he was possibly originally on £8k, £30k would almost be a fourfold pay increase.

[madras]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

 

 

1/9/11

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

goes for most teams as they'll probably all be trading past the start of the season.

[madras]

I'm sure there were promises from somebody at the club, possibly that notorious insider, a year or two back saying we would no longer be getting stung for high agent fees btw. That promise soon went out the window when it suited them.

has to really if you want to attract ANY player.

[Dave]

I'm no accountant so someone will probably correct this if wrong, but the entire operating expenses on the last set of accounts for the season in the Championship including wages was £74m. TV, media and prize money from the Premier League this season added to the proportion of the Carroll transfer fee reported as paid up front by Liverpool totals £77m.

 

Even assuming all other income was no greater than the year in the Championship, that would generate a £36m profit for the next set of accounts. Unless someone can explain why our operating costs have shot up dramatically since last year, I can't see how there isn't a large surplus of money available for transfers right now, and why we can't back our manager and chief scout with it.

[Interpolic]

I still cant stop chuckling at the bullshit idea that the club are spinning that the Carroll money has paid for Tiote's new deal.

 

At no other club, would the powers that be, have such brass neck. We really should be dusting off the pitch forks and burning torches. As my Dad said the other night, "it's just one con after another with this lot". I dont know how Llambias could keep a straight face when he told the Telegraph about the club's new bore hole.

 

FFS, at least the crook McKeag built the Milburn Stand with transfer money. This mob give us a bore hole and a new corrugated iron roof for the training ground changing rooms.

 

The more you think about it, the more incredulous it is.

 

 

 

[Mick]

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

 

Llambias has said we're keeping money back for January, in case we need to bring other players in.  By that time we're half way through the season and potentially out of a cup or two.

[Guest]

 

Course not, but he could have turned around and said he wanted to leave for a higher pay if we hadn't given him a big pay to sign the extension.

 

You've said yourself that he was possibly originally on £8k, £30k would almost be a fourfold pay increase.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1360521/Cheick-Tiote-signs-Newcastle-deal-207.html

 

£8k to £40k according to that...

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3434247/Mike-Ashley-has-delivered-a-staggering-statement-of-Toon-intent.html

 

£8k to £50k according to that.

 

Crap sources I know, but nothing anywhere suggests £30k.

[SteveMc]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

 

 

1/9/11

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

 

Of course.  But the post I was replying to was about net transfer spend and you can't conclude on that until the window shuts.  A very specific point on a very specific post

[midds]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

the wage bill will have increased and say for the signing made so far,signing on fees,agents etc,set aside for wages, say for example 12 mill (3x1mill sign on fee,3x1mill agents,3x2mill this seasons wages)from liverpools 30mill up front,leaves 18mill for 2 further signings plus fees,1 years wages etc.

 

 

 

The players we let go didn't play for nothing. Nolan = Cabaye (fee and wages). Carroll's + Campbell's joint wage we were paying= Marveaux's + Ba's joint wage we're now paying. Roughly, give or take £10k a week.

 

£5m joint agents fees for the free transfers means there's still a lot of money left over from January. That's all before you consider the money set aside for team strengthening in this summer.

 

The numbers don't add up unless you think Carroll and Campbell played for us for nothing. 

[Guest Pie]

I'm sure there were promises from somebody at the club, possibly that notorious insider, a year or two back saying we would no longer be getting stung for high agent fees btw. That promise soon went out the window when it suited them.

You are a product of happier times. Learn to live with it. It is getting dull watching you pretend you understand the clubs history. You clearly don't. Ask your dad about Imre Varadi vs Peter Beardsley.You werent old enough to appreciate either never mind the difference between them, the politics or the precedence set at the time. You can bitch all you like sunshine.However, your ignorance shines like a fucking beacon.

 

[Mick]

I'm no accountant so someone will probably correct this if wrong, but the entire operating expenses on the last set of accounts for the season in the Championship including wages was £74m. TV, media and prize money from the Premier League this season added to the proportion of the Carroll transfer fee reported as paid up front by Liverpool totals £77m.

 

Even assuming all other income was no greater than the year in the Championship, that would generate a £36m profit for the next set of accounts. Unless someone can explain why our operating costs have shot up dramatically since last year, I can't see how there isn't a large surplus of money available for transfers right now, and why we can't back our manager and chief scout with it.

 

We didn't have clauses in players wages either so our wages didn't reduce for the players who stayed here so they are unlikely to have gone up for gaining promotion.

[Guest BooBoo]

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

 

Llambias has said we're keeping money back for January, in case we need to bring other players in.  By that time we're half way through the season and potentially out of a cup or two.

 

Dont forget next summer too. I'm sure the Carroll money will stretch to cover our meagre transfer budget for the summer of 2012 as well.

[Guest Pie]

I'm no accountant so someone will probably correct this if wrong, but the entire operating expenses on the last set of accounts for the season in the Championship including wages was £74m. TV, media and prize money from the Premier League this season added to the proportion of the Carroll transfer fee reported as paid up front by Liverpool totals £77m.

 

Even assuming all other income was no greater than the year in the Championship, that would generate a £36m profit for the next set of accounts. Unless someone can explain why our operating costs have shot up dramatically since last year, I can't see how there isn't a large surplus of money available for transfers right now, and why we can't back our manager and chief scout with it.

Clearly.