SSN: Charles N'Zogbia to the mackems off

[Guest BooBoo]

The way the club spun the Carroll fee was embarrassing. Not much different to a non-league club drawing Man U away in the third round of the FA Cup - "Aye, the cash this has brought into the club will keep us going for a couple of years." etc.

 

We're Newcastle United for fucks sake. Why can't we spend the money we bring in? We're not fucking Maidstone.   

 

Very good analogy. 

[madras]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

[Optimistic Nut]

The way the club spun the Carroll fee was embarrassing. Not much different to a non-league club drawing Man U away in the third round of the FA Cup - "Aye, the cash this has brought into the club will keep us going for a couple of years." etc.

 

We're Newcastle United for f***s sake. Why can't we spend the money we bring in? We're not f***ing Maidstone. 

 

Very good analogy. 

 

Acts such as spending 3-4 years of sponsorship money on Michael Owen doesn't help tbh. That has to be put back in somehow.

[Guest icemanblue]

As boring as this whole argument is, here's a thought. Have those advocating the allocation of transfer funds to pay for future wages considered the fact that, should they turn out decent, these players will not actually be here for the full term of that contract? In fact, we'd probably end up making a profit on them, which seems to be the actual model we're working to.

[Optimistic Nut]

As boring as this whole argument is, here's a thought. Have those advocating the allocation of transfer funds to pay for future wages considered the fact that, should they turn out decent, these players will not actually be here for the full term of that contract? In fact, we'd probably end up making a profit on them, which seems to be the actual model we're working to.

 

Since coming back up, the only two significant losses are Carroll which 99% of clubs would have accepted, and Nolan who preferred longer-term security and payrise to captaining Newcastle. Harsh to call that a "model" as such.

[madras]

As boring as this whole argument is, here's a thought. Have those advocating the allocation of transfer funds to pay for future wages considered the fact that, should they turn out decent, these players will not actually be here for the full term of that contract? In fact, we'd probably end up making a profit on them, which seems to be the actual model we're working to.

alternativly they turn out to be cack and we can't get shot (see smith/xisco), we still have to pay them.

 

i'm not advocating that policy btw but it has to be held in mind and i'd like to know (not that i'm demanding we have a right to know) how much of the wage bill we are accounting for.

[midds]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It fucking stinks man. 

[johnnypd]

Ben Arfa would have went to Werder, Tiote wouldn't have signed a new long-term deal, and Cabaye could have went elsewhere too if they were only on £30k.

 

wouldn't be surprised if Tiote was on something like 30k tbh. remember hearing he was our lowest paid player earlier in the season, and i imagine he would've been on Guthrie esque wages considering he came as a squad player from Twente with only us and West Brom competing to sign him. 30k a week probably trebled his wages at least.

[Optimistic Nut]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

[Guest BooBoo]

Read an article last season that his initial wage was something like 8k a week.

[SteveMc]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

 

 

1/9/11

[Mick]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

 

Other clubs couldn't offer Tiote anything without our permission.

[Optimistic Nut]

Depending on which source you believe, the contract went from £8k, to either £40k or £50k.

[madras]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

the wage bill will have increased and say for the signing made so far,signing on fees,agents etc,set aside for wages, say for example 12 mill (3x1mill sign on fee,3x1mill agents,3x2mill this seasons wages)from liverpools 30mill up front,leaves 18mill for 2 further signings plus fees,1 years wages etc.

 

 

[Optimistic Nut]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

 

Other clubs couldn't offer Tiote anything without our permission.

 

Course not, but he could have turned around and said he wanted to leave for a higher pay if we hadn't given him a big pay to sign the extension.

[madras]

The club and Tiote will have known by February what his team mates were on, his importance to the team, and what other clubs would probably offer him if he decided to go. There's not a chance he'd have agreed to £30k imo.

 

Other clubs couldn't offer Tiote anything without our permission.

in theory,not in reality,unfortunatly.

[PineBarrens]

"Wait until the transfer window's closed before judging" has become a 'groundhog day' style mantra . Under Tubby O' Cheap Tat's tenure ever single transfer window has been consistent - consistently underwhelming.

[Wullie]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

 

 

1/9/11

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

[Wullie]

I'm sure there were promises from somebody at the club, possibly that notorious insider, a year or two back saying we would no longer be getting stung for high agent fees btw. That promise soon went out the window when it suited them.

[Mick]

 

Course not, but he could have turned around and said he wanted to leave for a higher pay if we hadn't given him a big pay to sign the extension.

 

You've said yourself that he was possibly originally on £8k, £30k would almost be a fourfold pay increase.

[madras]

Why can't the club spend the money it generates? 3rd biggest capacity in the league, above average wage bill, zero investment in the squad. How much longer do we have to put up with this before we actually spend more on transfers than we take in?

 

The ship has been steadied. Let's f***ing push on eh? Invest a little bit and see what happens?

 

Not under this f***ing prick we won't.

if you live way beyond your means for a few years then after a year of breaking even, do you then start building debt again ?

 

We're not breaking even though. The wage bill has stayed the same and we've spent less than we've sold.

how does that mean we aren't breaking even ?

 

Breaking even, to me, means spending what you bring in.

 

The wage bill hasn't changed much. The Carroll money should be there to spend but we've barely touched it. Nolan=Cabaye. Ba= £2m max. Marveaux = £2m max. Carroll's wage + Campbell's wage = Ba's wage + Marveaux's wage. Unsure about Tiote's new contract tbh.  Where has the spare £31m (from the Carroll fee) gone? Where has the season ticket money gone? That's before you consider the 'investment' from the club for this season.

 

It f***ing stinks man. 

 

 

1/9/11

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

goes for most teams as they'll probably all be trading past the start of the season.

[madras]

I'm sure there were promises from somebody at the club, possibly that notorious insider, a year or two back saying we would no longer be getting stung for high agent fees btw. That promise soon went out the window when it suited them.

has to really if you want to attract ANY player.

[Dave]

I'm no accountant so someone will probably correct this if wrong, but the entire operating expenses on the last set of accounts for the season in the Championship including wages was £74m. TV, media and prize money from the Premier League this season added to the proportion of the Carroll transfer fee reported as paid up front by Liverpool totals £77m.

 

Even assuming all other income was no greater than the year in the Championship, that would generate a £36m profit for the next set of accounts. Unless someone can explain why our operating costs have shot up dramatically since last year, I can't see how there isn't a large surplus of money available for transfers right now, and why we can't back our manager and chief scout with it.

[Interpolic]

I still cant stop chuckling at the bullshit idea that the club are spinning that the Carroll money has paid for Tiote's new deal.

 

At no other club, would the powers that be, have such brass neck. We really should be dusting off the pitch forks and burning torches. As my Dad said the other night, "it's just one con after another with this lot". I dont know how Llambias could keep a straight face when he told the Telegraph about the club's new bore hole.

 

FFS, at least the crook McKeag built the Milburn Stand with transfer money. This mob give us a bore hole and a new corrugated iron roof for the training ground changing rooms.

 

The more you think about it, the more incredulous it is.

 

 

 

[Mick]

 

Are the nine points, including a derby, prior to that not that important?

 

Llambias has said we're keeping money back for January, in case we need to bring other players in.  By that time we're half way through the season and potentially out of a cup or two.