Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Btw, of all the players I've actually seen live in the flesh on a consistent basis I'd say Bergkamp and Henry were right up there, quickly followed by Dean Ashton... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How do you not include Platini in a Top 10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Catts for me like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Maradona has to be the best, and I would put gazza in any top ten as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 For drunken loons who shat away much of their talent, George Best pisses all over Gazza. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 http://i.imgur.com/k0XRVov.png Probably already common knowledge, but just chucking it in the mix. That's interesting, because yes, I can see that the way he plays, with those sudden bursts of acceleration and changes of direction, must be quite knackering. He's the dead opposite of a one-paced player. To be honest, he just looked tired this World Cup. Players aren't machines and he needs a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How many people here have seen Pele play a full game and how many games of his did they see? Even with Maradona you would have to be 35 or 40 to have watched him play live at his peak. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt many people I'm this forum have seen Pele play and I'd say about maybe 50:50 have seen Maradona play at his peak yet almost everyone here is saying that Messi isn't near as good as them. All anybody can say is that a certain player is the best they've seen and for me Messi is the best I've seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Maradona has to be the best, and I would put gazza in any top ten as well http://cdnl.complex.com/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/SPORTS/2013/10/content/1382546840_pelevsmaradona_f.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How many people here have seen Pele play a full game and how many games of his did they see? Even with Maradona you would have to be 35 or 40 to have watched him play live at his peak. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt many people I'm this forum have seen Pele play and I'd say about maybe 50:50 have seen Maradona play at his peak yet almost everyone here is saying that Messi isn't near as good as them. All anybody can say is that a certain player is the best they've seen and for me Messi is the best I've seen The thing is everyone who saw Pele said he was better than Maradona and Messi, everyone who saw Maradona says he's better than Messi. Many who have only seen Messi believes him to be the best. Like I've said, Messi is the best I've seen at his peak, but I'm not going to doubt persons who have played the game and understands the game far better than me who says the other two were superior. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 That's something I've noticed about Messi before, and cannot remember another player that was similar. He often looks like he can barely walk, then gets the ball and beats three defenders with ridiculous ease. It makes it difficult to tell if he really is fatigued or just resting during the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 That explains alot, and also gives me a great excuse for work tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 That's something I've noticed about Messi before, and cannot remember another player that was similar. He often looks like he can barely walk, then gets the ball and beats three defenders with ridiculous ease. It makes it difficult to tell if he really is fatigued or just resting during the match. Tracy McGrady mkII. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 That explains alot, and also gives me a great excuse for work tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How many people here have seen Pele play a full game and how many games of his did they see? Even with Maradona you would have to be 35 or 40 to have watched him play live at his peak. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt many people I'm this forum have seen Pele play and I'd say about maybe 50:50 have seen Maradona play at his peak yet almost everyone here is saying that Messi isn't near as good as them. All anybody can say is that a certain player is the best they've seen and for me Messi is the best I've seen I never saw Pele live but ive seen enough of him on film and listened to countless men whose knowledge I respect to make a decent enough judgment. The first time I saw Maradona he was 18 and tearing apart a fair Scottish side at Hampden. I've seen him many times and indeed saw him play at Wembley in 87. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 That's something I've noticed about Messi before, and cannot remember another player that was similar. He often looks like he can barely walk, then gets the ball and beats three defenders with ridiculous ease. It makes it difficult to tell if he really is fatigued or just resting during the match. Sounds like Chris Waddle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How many people here have seen Pele play a full game and how many games of his did they see? Even with Maradona you would have to be 35 or 40 to have watched him play live at his peak. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt many people I'm this forum have seen Pele play and I'd say about maybe 50:50 have seen Maradona play at his peak yet almost everyone here is saying that Messi isn't near as good as them. All anybody can say is that a certain player is the best they've seen and for me Messi is the best I've seen I never saw Pele live but ive seen enough of him on film and listened to countless men whose knowledge I respect to make a decent enough judgment. The first time I saw Maradona he was 18 and tearing apart a fair Scottish side at Hampden. I've seen him many times and indeed saw him play at Wembley in 87. Fair enough on Maradona so, if you saw both him and Messi play and think Maradona was better then fair enough. On Pele, what was his club career like? I know he scored loads of goals but were Santos winning a lot at the time or what was their situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How many people here have seen Pele play a full game and how many games of his did they see? Even with Maradona you would have to be 35 or 40 to have watched him play live at his peak. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt many people I'm this forum have seen Pele play and I'd say about maybe 50:50 have seen Maradona play at his peak yet almost everyone here is saying that Messi isn't near as good as them. All anybody can say is that a certain player is the best they've seen and for me Messi is the best I've seen I never saw Pele live but ive seen enough of him on film and listened to countless men whose knowledge I respect to make a decent enough judgment. The first time I saw Maradona he was 18 and tearing apart a fair Scottish side at Hampden. I've seen him many times and indeed saw him play at Wembley in 87. Fair enough on Maradona so, if you saw both him and Messi play and think Maradona was better then fair enough. On Pele, what was his club career like? I know he scored loads of goals but were Santos winning a lot at the time or what was their situation? Santos under Pele was the best club in the world in the early 60's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 How many people here have seen Pele play a full game and how many games of his did they see? Even with Maradona you would have to be 35 or 40 to have watched him play live at his peak. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt many people I'm this forum have seen Pele play and I'd say about maybe 50:50 have seen Maradona play at his peak yet almost everyone here is saying that Messi isn't near as good as them. All anybody can say is that a certain player is the best they've seen and for me Messi is the best I've seen I never saw Pele live but ive seen enough of him on film and listened to countless men whose knowledge I respect to make a decent enough judgment. The first time I saw Maradona he was 18 and tearing apart a fair Scottish side at Hampden. I've seen him many times and indeed saw him play at Wembley in 87. Fair enough on Maradona so, if you saw both him and Messi play and think Maradona was better then fair enough. On Pele, what was his club career like? I know he scored loads of goals but were Santos winning a lot at the time or what was their situation? Santos under Pele was the best club in the world in the early 60's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I keep forgetting how fucking amazing Figo was as well tbf, I'd have to have him up there as one of the best players I've seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 People still won't have seen anywhere near as much of Maradona as Messi. I mean - not even close. So I not 100% convinced that people are as well informed on Maradona and/or Pele as they might think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 People still won't have seen anywhere near as much of Maradona as Messi. I mean - not even close. Remember watching him play for Napoli on BSkyB when they had Italian football before C4 had it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 People still won't have seen anywhere near as much of Maradona as Messi. I mean - not even close. Remember watching him play for Napoli on BSkyB when they had Italian football before C4 had it. Trying not to come across as an arse (genuinely not the intention), but how many games do you think you saw and (if you don't mind me asking) how old were you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 People still won't have seen anywhere near as much of Maradona as Messi. I mean - not even close. So I not 100% convinced that people are as well informed on Maradona and/or Pele as they might think. Is Beckenbauer and Cruyff informed enough to make that decision? Because none of them think of Messi ahead of Maradona or Pele. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 People still won't have seen anywhere near as much of Maradona as Messi. I mean - not even close. So I not 100% convinced that people are as well informed on Maradona and/or Pele as they might think. Is Beckenbauer and Cruyff informed enough to make that decision? Because none of them think of Messi ahead of Maradona or Pele. I suspect better placed than us! But you would definitely have to factor in the potential for bias for players of that generation to venerate players around in their era. I have to say that I do find it odd that in nearly every other sport, performers have generally improved - but football appears to be different. There's absolutely no reason why this should be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 This debate just getter and better every time it pops into my life. Like a fine wine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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