Hughesy Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 His technique was under-rated. Very tidy first-touch and he had crisp short passing game. Had a fairly decent left-foot too. A level above your Moussa Sissoko's, Jack Colback, Tiote etc. his technique was as good as little Vurnon. His vision wasn't a strength but that's what Nobby was there for - and Nobby couldn't do what Dyer did so they complimented each other greatly. "Just weren't good enough ultimately" sums up that entire team - it's a bit harsh to single out Dyer there. A lot of good to very good players, all of them lacked that bit to become real top class players except Shearer. He's been gone what - 8 years? We've only had 1 CM that's been better in that period. A very hard lad to like of course. I wouldn't disagree that he is better than our current midfielders - as I said earlier, he would walk into our current team. However, I am not certain that I remember his technique in quite the way you do - I remember a lot of misplaced passes and poor touches. What he did have though was a great ball carrying ability and was excellent at launching counter attacks. However, when you look at his stats though - 23 goals in 193 league games just wasn't enough. I doubt his assist stats make for much better reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer never did enough for me to be rated higher than Cabaye. He used to have 5 minute spells and then hide for 15 minutes. Like others have said he had a great understanding with Solano but looked pony without him. Best midfielder's for me have been Gazza, Lee, Clark, Speed, Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer never did enough for me to be rated higher than Cabaye. He used to have 5 minute spells and then hide for 15 minutes. Like others have said he had a great understanding with Solano but looked pony without him. Best midfielder's for me have been Gazza, Lee, Clark, Speed, Cabaye Wouldn't rate him below Clark - but agree with the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer never did enough for me to be rated higher than Cabaye. He used to have 5 minute spells and then hide for 15 minutes. Like others have said he had a great understanding with Solano but looked pony without him. Best midfielder's for me have been Gazza, Lee, Clark, Speed, Cabaye Think Rob Lee has surely got to be in that list also without a doubt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer never did enough for me to be rated higher than Cabaye. He used to have 5 minute spells and then hide for 15 minutes. Like others have said he had a great understanding with Solano but looked pony without him. Best midfielder's for me have been Gazza, Lee, Clark, Speed, Cabaye Think Rob Less has surely got to be in that list also without a doubt Err, Rob Lee is in their after Gazza man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer never did enough for me to be rated higher than Cabaye. He used to have 5 minute spells and then hide for 15 minutes. Like others have said he had a great understanding with Solano but looked pony without him. Best midfielder's for me have been Gazza, Lee, Clark, Speed, Cabaye Think Rob Less has surely got to be in that list also without a doubt Err, Rob Lee is in their after Gazza man! So he is not got my specs on - dear me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer never did enough for me to be rated higher than Cabaye. He used to have 5 minute spells and then hide for 15 minutes. Like others have said he had a great understanding with Solano but looked pony without him. Best midfielder's for me have been Gazza, Lee, Clark, Speed, Cabaye Wouldn't rate him below Clark - but agree with the rest. As much as I hate Lee Clark for signing for the mackems he did it consistently for us over a period of 4 or 5 years in a very good team rather than playing well when a potential move or world cup place was up for grabs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Good enough for what? He was an integral part of a very good team. His goalscoring wasn't great but he was very good at a lot of things. You look at his Youtube compilation, he's got a fair few decent left-foot finishes. Dembele can carry it in midfield, on his day Dyer could pass, move, pop in excellent positions, drag midfielders silly with movement, run them to death. Dyer had his limits but so did the other 3 lads in that midfield. He was just as valuable as any of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Good enough for what? He was an integral part of a very good team. His goalscoring wasn't great but he was very good at a lot of things. You look at his Youtube compilation, he's got a fair few decent left-foot finishes. Dembele can carry it in midfield, on his day Dyer could pass, move, pop in excellent positions, drag midfielders silly with movement, run them to death. Dyer had his limits but so did the other 3 lads in that midfield. He was just as valuable as any of them. Even I would look good on youtube man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Of course. But the left foot finishes surprised me - totally forgot. In general people always bring up his defiencies but he was largely very effective for us. He brought a lot to that team. We haven't had many better since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer man, what a waste of a career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hardly his fault either. Sad really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hardly his fault either. Sad really. He didn't exactly help himself like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Dyer's solo run v Southampton still makes my hairs stand on the back of my neck. Insane goal. He'd be in the England team today for me, his pace, ball carrying, technique, movement etc is what today's English midfielders are sorely, sorely, lacking. Having said all of that - he could have been so much damn better too. Shame. At his best he was one of my favorite players to watch - just enjoyed his style of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 It puts things in perspective when our midfield full of "internationals" would get replaced by Kieron Dyer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 It puts things in perspective when our midfield full of "internationals" would get replaced by Kieron Dyer. All of our midfielders, most of the full backs and all but one of our strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 If I could have my perfect CM partnership it would probably be a 3 of Speed, Lee, and Dyer. Cabaye would get a run in that - but the thing you CAN'T discount is how many goals came out of Speed & Lee. Dyer's on the ball running completely priceless in today's day and age too. Sissoko should just watch Dyer play and try and emulate him as he's no Yaya Toure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Dyer was like, 5'8? Low centre of gravity - crazy acceleration and could dink left or right very quickly. Sissoko has that old school coal train/Yaya type of pace and power where he picks up steam with power just as important as pace - largely in straight lines. Nobby was a top player but having Bellamy and Dyer darting everywhere must've been a dream. Especially as he could use that to make space for himself to find Big Al for a finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Dyer and Sissoko couldn't be any more different really, don't understand the comparison at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Speed was no more prolific than Cabaye. He was much better at winning headers in open play though. Tiote's probably the best of our CM's at winning headers from goal kicks and such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Dyer and Sissoko couldn't be any more different really, don't understand the comparison at all. I'm not trying to compare the 2...but if Sissoko is to be effective in the PL he needs to use his pace and acceleration wisely. He's not going to overpower nearly everyone ala Yaya Toure or hell, Diame. He's got to be smart about his pace and acceleration. Clearly couldn't lace Dyer's boots IMO but he's not a ball winner, nor is he a Yaya in terms of "fuck it, let me do ALL of it" - he's got to make use of his best attributes and that is his pace and counter. Dyer wasn't a ball winner, nor was he a goal scorer, he was a ball carrier who pulled teams apart with his movement and pace. Sissoko should look to do similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Dyer was like, 5'8? Low centre of gravity - crazy acceleration and could dink left or right very quickly. Sissoko has that old school coal train/Yaya type of pace and power where he picks up steam with power just as important as pace - largely in straight lines. Nobby was a top player but having Bellamy and Dyer darting everywhere must've been a dream. Especially as he could use that to make space for himself to find Big Al for a finish. I think Solano was an intelligent enough player to have been good in any team. I think he was sorely underrated actually - such a great touch and amazing vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Speed was no more prolific than Cabaye. Cabaye, in spite of the fact he takes penalties and set pieces, won't finish his career with nearly as many goals as Speed, like. Dyer wasn't a ball winner It wasn't his job title, but he won the ball loads for us. With his fast feet he'd nick the ball away from players with ease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 ^ no doubt wasn't his job title but Dyer was useful you are right, just saying, he's far better a tackler than Moussa. Don't need to see him do that bounce-off slide tackle from last season. I also rate the hell out of Moussa and think he's a top player under the right guidance and coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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