JH Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He was fucking useless man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He was fucking useless man. Totally agree, he was completely fucking gash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Ok. MOTD and where I watched it before must have used some special effects to make out he was involved in pretty much every chance we had. If I was at the game I would have realised none of that actually happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Ok. MOTD and where I watched it before must have used some special effects to make out he was involved in pretty much every chance we had. If I was at the game I would have realised none of that actually happened. It's a game of opinions. He was toilet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Ok. MOTD and where I watched it before must have used some special effects to make out he was involved in pretty much every chance we had. If I was at the game I would have realised none of that actually happened. Highlights can be deceiving. It missed out the bits inbetween where he was shit scared of space, would choose to walk into his man rather than into space and then would just lightly jog back and watch Simpson cover the right defence by himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He wasn't. What effective contribution did he make? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Think many are just having a very hard time being objective over him. The frustration they feel when he takes to long on the ball, is overshadowing the clear ability he shows at other times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did see the whole game, he is a frustrating player, always has been but we could have scored a few times from his involvement in attack. If one of those had gone in opinion would have been different to his performance yesterday/today. He certainly wasn't shit but unless our forwards finish off one of his chances or he scores himself its obvious he is going to be deemed shit whatever else happens. Scapegoat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He did some positive running but there's as much negative impact in him being in possession as there is positive because he slows attacks down so much that defences are set by the time he's danced around the ball. He could put equally threatening crosses in by taking one touch and knocking it into the box/into the space between defence and keeper as soon as he gets the ball. If you're gonna slow the attack down your delivery's gotta be good,his isn't. He should just cross early because then at least we'd have a chance of catching defenders out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He did some positive running but there's as much negative impact in him being in possession as there is positive because he slows attacks down so much that defences are set by the time he's danced around the ball. He could put equally threatening crosses in by taking one touch and knocking it into the box/into the space between defence and keeper as soon as he gets the ball. He definitely does need to learn when to release the ball earlier and a few occasions yesterday I was thinking "why don't our coaching staff see this and tell him!?". It is frustrating seeing players making the same fundamental mistakes and not learning from them for whatever reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 If he actually ran with the ball on one of the 10 or so occasions that he had opportunity to, if he was more effective with his passing and movement as opposed to standing on the ball, squaring up to his man and then losing the ball, and if he actually tracked back and worked defensively like Jonas does as opposed to just jogging and standing in his defensive position whilst leaving Simpson completely exposed, then I wouldn't be calling him 'shit'. I'm not using him as a scapegoat, I'm not being biased because I don't like him and I'm not missing out the decent things he did. I'm having an opinion on his ability and using solid evidence to back that opinion up. Noone can tell me that what I've described above is an effective way of playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did see the whole game, he is a frustrating player, always has been but we could have scored a few times from his involvement in attack. If one of those had gone in opinion would have been different to his performance yesterday/today. He certainly wasn't s*** but unless our forwards finish off one of his chances or he scores himself its obvious he is going to be deemed s*** whatever else happens. Scapegoat. Well said. Though he certainly does need to start producing more. Having an end product so to speak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Ok can you disagree with this? I don't think anyone was shit yesterday and Obertan was our second best attacking player behind Ba (who ironically got most of his opportunities through Obertan). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 In the first half everything we did came down his wing. I don't think Jonas even got out of our half. His final ball and running at people weaknesses have been said enough in this thread for the past 3 months. He's a squad player who just happens to have no competition for his place because the first team option is a complete and utter crock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 In the first half everything we did came down his wing. I don't think Jonas even got out of our half. His final ball and running at people weaknesses have been said enough in this thread for the past 3 months. He's a squad player who just happens to have no competition for his place because the first team option is a complete and utter crock. Agree with this too, although I am not sure Marveaux is his competition, we just didn't replace Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He's got pace to burn but never when he has the chance does he push the ball forward and run and try and beat his man for pace. He was gash yesterday again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Aye but when he dusts someone for pace he goes and spoons his cross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did see the whole game, he is a frustrating player, always has been but we could have scored a few times from his involvement in attack. If one of those had gone in opinion would have been different to his performance yesterday/today. He certainly wasn't s*** but unless our forwards finish off one of his chances or he scores himself its obvious he is going to be deemed s*** whatever else happens. Scapegoat. Not at all. People were banging on more about Pardew and his weird decisions. Lack of changes etc. Calling Obertan s*** is just the norm, as he is exactly that. Wasn't crap yesterday, but he was doing his normal running around like a headless chicken for bigger parts, and not doing too much constructive with the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest michaelfoster Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He's got pace to burn but never when he has the chance does he push the ball forward and run and try and beat his man for pace. He was gash yesterday again. If Obertan was gash yesterday then Jonas was abysmal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did see the whole game, he is a frustrating player, always has been but we could have scored a few times from his involvement in attack. If one of those had gone in opinion would have been different to his performance yesterday/today. He certainly wasn't shit but unless our forwards finish off one of his chances or he scores himself its obvious he is going to be deemed shit whatever else happens. Scapegoat. See that's the problem. Jonas doesn't score goals from the left side, and now it looks like we've added another winger on the right who won't be hitting the net much. With Cabaye looking like he'll only grab the odd one here and there, there's a lot of pressure on the forwards to get the goals. Ba is on fire so it hasn't been a problem to this point but we need other players to chip in as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Btw Obertan really should have done much better after Ba hit the post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did see the whole game, he is a frustrating player, always has been but we could have scored a few times from his involvement in attack. If one of those had gone in opinion would have been different to his performance yesterday/today. He certainly wasn't shit but unless our forwards finish off one of his chances or he scores himself its obvious he is going to be deemed shit whatever else happens. Scapegoat. See that's the problem. Jonas doesn't score goals from the left side, and now it looks like we've added another winger on the right who won't be hitting the net much. With Cabaye looking like he'll only grab the odd one here and there, there's a lot of pressure on the forwards to get the goals. Ba is on fire so it hasn't been a problem to this point but we need other players to chip in as well. We are starting to miss Nolan quite badly now imo for his goals and forward runs now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 He's got pace to burn but never when he has the chance does he push the ball forward and run and try and beat his man for pace. He was gash yesterday again. If Obertan was gash yesterday then Jonas was abysmal Agreed. Just Obertan is an easy scapegoat for many people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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