Mike Ashley

[LRD]

The last time he wanted to sell was when the fans turned on him one or two years into his ownership. He couldn't recover his investment with any of the offers, especially after we got relegated. Then we got good crowds at a lower league, came back on the first attempt, sold a player for 35m, and the PL got a lucrative tv deal. He realised all that and that he wields all the power with fans helpless against him. We're getting some profits in, he's not losing money (even harder to do so with the increased tv revenue), gets free advertising in SJP and on screens worldwide and barring a catastrophic relegation to league 1 he won't suffer a loss on his investment.

 

We missed the window where he was desperate to sell up. Doubt Ashley will ever do so now unless an Arab with oil money comes in.

[toontownman]

Meh.. he has pretty much always said he would sell if the right offer comes in.

 

Maybe all this nonsense was about hoping a knight in shining armor would come in and bid for the club to save the day... unlikely though, he will want to recoup cost..even though he has lowered the market value with the recent shenanigans.

[PCW1983]

Am I right in saying that the plan of action from the "fans meeting" is to encourage people not to attend the SC Braga friendly?

 

What difference do the "fans" of NUFC expect this will make? 

[Guest icemanblue]

That story is nothing more than a reminder to us ungrateful fans, about how much Uncle Mike has had to spend to save our little club. No surprise that it's been released through one of the club's favourites.

[Toonpack]

Talk about the so called brilliant finances to the cows come home if you wish but are they really that brilliant?

 

We rely heavily on TV money, our commercial income is f*cking awful and at the end of the day like it or not before Ashley we had much larger income.

 

Just an example of this.... 7 years ago we were getting 30m per year more than Spurs now they get 50m more than us with a smaller stadium and less f*cking gate receipts.

 

Fantastic finances my arse.

 

Absolutely not true, they make thick end of £20Mill more than us.

 

Maybe we should charge Spurs-esque prices, that'd make everyone happy I'm sure.

[Hughesy]

Talk about the so called brilliant finances to the cows come home if you wish but are they really that brilliant?

 

We rely heavily on TV money, our commercial income is f*cking awful and at the end of the day like it or not before Ashley we had much larger income.

 

Just an example of this.... 7 years ago we were getting 30m per year more than Spurs now they get 50m more than us with a smaller stadium and less f*cking gate receipts.

 

Fantastic finances my arse.

 

Absolutely not true, they make thick end of £20Mill more than us.

 

Maybe we should charge Spurs-esque prices, that'd make everyone happy I'm sure.

 

Yep - people seem to overlook how relatively 'cheap' our tickets are compared to most other clubs.

[Hudson]

Ashley for all his problems, Runs the business side of things very well. The sporting side is just a cluster fuck.

[Guest neesy111]

Talk about the so called brilliant finances to the cows come home if you wish but are they really that brilliant?

 

We rely heavily on TV money, our commercial income is f*cking awful and at the end of the day like it or not before Ashley we had much larger income.

 

Just an example of this.... 7 years ago we were getting 30m per year more than Spurs now they get 50m more than us with a smaller stadium and less f*cking gate receipts.

 

Fantastic finances my arse.

 

Absolutely not true, they make thick end of £20Mill more than us.

 

Maybe we should charge Spurs-esque prices, that'd make everyone happy I'm sure.

 

Yep - people seem to overlook how relatively 'cheap' our tickets are compared to most other clubs.

 

They have to be or SJP would be like the SoL nowadays.  Club has lost a shit load of core supporters over the last 7- 8 years.

 

Spurs can charge those prices considering they have a 25k waiting list.

[Toonpack]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/apr/18/premier-league-finances-club-by-club

 

nope. they make 21m we make 24m.

 

But yes - Check the Swiss Ramble:

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RtQ1gYNYGuk/UcbPWkc9wqI/AAAAAAAAGtU/LkpA1-bUkzY/s640/PL+Match+Day.jpg

 

[colinmk]

Anyone care to explain how Ashley is doing so well on the business side of things then, because everything I have read does not support that.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Anyone care to explain how Ashley is doing so well on the business side of things then, because everything I have read does not support that.

 

Our profitability is improved, our debt is owed cheaply to the owner. Guess that's about the size of it.

 

TBF our position on that revenue table is about right, the cost per fan is kept as low as realistically possible. We could easily jump up the table just by putting prices up, but would people want that?

[Toonpack]

Talk about the so called brilliant finances to the cows come home if you wish but are they really that brilliant?

 

We rely heavily on TV money, our commercial income is f*cking awful and at the end of the day like it or not before Ashley we had much larger income.

 

Just an example of this.... 7 years ago we were getting 30m per year more than Spurs now they get 50m more than us with a smaller stadium and less f*cking gate receipts.

 

Fantastic finances my arse.

 

Absolutely not true, they make thick end of £20Mill more than us.

 

Maybe we should charge Spurs-esque prices, that'd make everyone happy I'm sure.

 

Yep - people seem to overlook how relatively 'cheap' our tickets are compared to most other clubs.

 

They have to be or SJP would be like the SoL nowadays.  Club has lost a s*** load of core supporters over the last 7- 8 years.

 

Spurs can charge those prices considering they have a 25k waiting list.

 

Tbhe cheap tickets are to offset the ridiculous decisions and the general disillusion of the fans. We make more out of our gate receipts than Spurs anyway.  But as Neesy says they could change it and still pack it out, massive waiting list

 

Oh no we don't.

 

Most of the "fans" aren't members of message boards and the season ticket holders I know ain't disillusioned at all, it's all about the team on match-day and the social game-day stuff.

 

Those 400 (or 0.77%) of the match-going fans don't represent the true feelings one way or the other.

 

Your notion of cheap to offset disillusion is also a flawed argument, less tickets sold for more £££'s = more money than more cheaper tickets for less, see us and Spurs/Liverpool in graphs above.

 

IF you're really disillusioned you wouldn't pay, what is, even at the current levels, to a lot of folk still a significant lump of money.

[Hudson]

Anyone care to explain how Ashley is doing so well on the business side of things then, because everything I have read does not support that.

 

maybe later on

 

[Lotus]

This lot have proved quite poor at increasing our revenue. However, they've done the sensible thing with the debts.

[Guest neesy111]

However, they've done the sensible thing with the debts.

 

That was forced onto Ashley due to his thickness of not doing due diligence.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

However, they've done the sensible thing with the debts.

 

That was forced onto Ashley due to his thickness of not doing due diligence.

 

Well whoever bought us would have had to deal with our debt position. You're right that he should have done more investigation though.

[merlin]

Talk about the so called brilliant finances to the cows come home if you wish but are they really that brilliant?

 

We rely heavily on TV money, our commercial income is f*cking awful and at the end of the day like it or not before Ashley we had much larger income.

 

Just an example of this.... 7 years ago we were getting 30m per year more than Spurs now they get 50m more than us with a smaller stadium and less f*cking gate receipts.

 

Fantastic finances my arse.

 

Absolutely not true, they make thick end of £20Mill more than us.

 

Maybe we should charge Spurs-esque prices, that'd make everyone happy I'm sure.

 

Yep - people seem to overlook how relatively 'cheap' our tickets are compared to most other clubs.

 

They have to be or SJP would be like the SoL nowadays.  Club has lost a s*** load of core supporters over the last 7- 8 years.

 

Spurs can charge those prices considering they have a 25k waiting list.

 

Tbhe cheap tickets are to offset the ridiculous decisions and the general disillusion of the fans. We make more out of our gate receipts than Spurs anyway.  But as Neesy says they could change it and still pack it out, massive waiting list

 

Oh no we don't.

 

Most of the "fans" aren't members of message boards and the season ticket holders I know ain't disillusioned at all, it's all about the team on match-day and the social game-day stuff.

 

Those 400 (or 0.77%) of the match-going fans don't represent the true feelings one way or the other.

 

Your notion of cheap to offset disillusion is also a flawed argument, less tickets sold for more £££'s = more money than more cheaper tickets for less, see us and Spurs/Liverpool in graphs above.

 

IF you're really disillusioned you wouldn't pay, what is, even at the current levels, to a lot of folk still a significant lump of money.

 

It attracts day trippers and encourages those who would have perhaps not have bought a ticket due to their feelings towards Ashley/Club/Pardew.

 

if you aren't too keen on NUFC at present and you can go to a game, the ticket is 15 compared to 40, you are more likely to buy that ticket

 

If the product on the pitch is good, people would willingly pay more to watch it - it doesn't matter HOW badly you think about the people who are producing the product, there will always be plenty of people willing to buy it if its good - there is no nation on earth who should, in theory, hate the Germans more than anyone else but Israel....yet you go there, or watch film from there and you will see the roads full of Mercs and BMWs.

Likewise people whose relatives were prisoners of the Japanese - they are quite prepared to buy Japanese cars/TVs/electrical goods because they are good and usually reliable.

 

The same thing applies with football - if you price down the product, you then take less profit unless you can increase gates massively, which means you buy cheaper players and get more mediocre football as a result.

 

There was a 20,000 waiting list in the mid-90s when our prices weren't that much different to other clubs....we are cheaper to watch now, but the waiting list has gone.

 

Offer peanuts, get monkeys....

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Pricing down the tickets doesn't really affect your ability to sign players that much though, does it? Since gate receipts are actually quite small compared to stuff like TV money and the person wealth of owners.

 

The waiting list has gone because we aren't as successful, obviously. No club can avoid that effect.

[David Icke - Son of God]

There was a 20,000 waiting list in the mid-90s when our prices weren't that much different to other clubs....we are cheaper to watch now, but the waiting list has gone.

 

Offer peanuts, get monkeys....

 

The capacity of the stadium has increased by almost 20,000 in that time.

 

Anyone complaining about low ticket prices can go suck a dick as far as I'm concerned. Football is overpriced as it is and the economy is fucked. The club have done a great job of making it accessible to all.

[PCW1983]

There was a 20,000 waiting list in the mid-90s when our prices weren't that much different to other clubs....we are cheaper to watch now, but the waiting list has gone.

 

Offer peanuts, get monkeys....

 

The capacity of the stadium has increased by almost 20,000 in that time.

 

Anyone complaining about low ticket prices can go suck a dick as far as I'm concerned. Football is overpriced as it is and the economy is fucked. The club have done a great job of making it accessible to all.

 

I got my season ticket 8 years ago and was waiting for 2 years to get one and that was post expansion.

[David Icke - Son of God]

There was a 20,000 waiting list in the mid-90s when our prices weren't that much different to other clubs....we are cheaper to watch now, but the waiting list has gone.

 

Offer peanuts, get monkeys....

 

The capacity of the stadium has increased by almost 20,000 in that time.

 

Anyone complaining about low ticket prices can go suck a dick as far as I'm concerned. Football is overpriced as it is and the economy is fucked. The club have done a great job of making it accessible to all.

 

I got my season ticket 8 years ago and was waiting for 2 years to get one and that was post expansion.

 

The economy wasn't in the toilet then.

[Toonpack]

However, they've done the sensible thing with the debts.

 

That was forced onto Ashley due to his thickness of not doing due diligence.

 

It was forced on Ashley due to the state and level of the debt, if he'd done due diligence he would have done a runner IMO.

[Toonpack]

There was a 20,000 waiting list in the mid-90s when our prices weren't that much different to other clubs....we are cheaper to watch now, but the waiting list has gone.

 

Offer peanuts, get monkeys....

 

The capacity of the stadium has increased by almost 20,000 in that time.

 

Anyone complaining about low ticket prices can go suck a dick as far as I'm concerned. Football is overpriced as it is and the economy is f***ed. The club have done a great job of making it accessible to all.

 

 

I think the ticket prices is a good thing, my point was that its reactionary to the relative poor performance of the club as a whole.

 

Ticket prices are set ahead of time and thus by definition can't be reactionary, if they were reactionary they'd have gone up significantly after finishing 5th.

 

Attendances will rise/fall in line with performance on the park (same as any club) although we have always tended to get better crowds than most even when we're crap. That continues to be the case.

 

It's a miniscule minority who won't go because of "off the pitch" antics rather than on the pitch stuff. That's borne out by the numbers we get through the gates.

 

My lads are getting 3 ST's between them this year because they can now afford them, they couldn't give two hoots about anything other than going to the game. Oh aye, they talk about the Ashley stuff, but it doesn't register in the slightest when deciding to attend the match or not.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

IMO it's a brilliant thing that so many people are just concerned with enjoying match days. Being a football fan is so much more fun when that's the case.

 

As you say, the crowds are just a simple reaction to supply/demand when the stuff on the pitch gets better or worse. That's inevitable.

[Toonpack]

IMO it's a brilliant thing that so many people are just concerned with enjoying match days. Being a football fan is so much more fun when that's the case.

As you say, the crowds are just a simple reaction to supply/demand when the stuff on the pitch gets better or worse. That's inevitable.

 

Couldn't agree more.