The College Dropout Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Do we have top class facilities? Do we average 50k+ gates? What's the overall revenue on match day compared to other clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Do we have top class facilities? Do we average 50k+ gates? What's the overall revenue on match day compared to other clubs? Yes Close enough Do your own homework Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Nope. When Ashley bought the club the facilities were top class. I don't think that's the case today. Gates have dropped under his tenure. And match day revenue in comparison to other clubs too I bet. He's been totally shit for this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not really interested in what you 'think'. Gates have dropped but we're still one of the best supported clubs in the country. Don't know about match day revenue as I didn't mention that at all, that's your thing. You seem to have missed my point entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Even the dropped attendances would quickly get back up to capacity if we were investing in the squad and and management to challenge for Europe rather than operating the club like a discount store. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 TCD apparently has trouble understanding that a very well supported football team with very good players and very good facilities might not be best served by a dinosaur manager recently deemed not good enough for Derby County. Further than that he apparently fails to grasp the irony of investing huge amounts of the clubs money in the best players we can afford while arguably the most important position at the club is filled by the cheapest and easiest candidate we could find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 That dude clearly wants his job back the fucking spunkbubble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Why doesnt Ashley just put another tier on the Gallowgate and East Stand and make his legacy St James park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Not really interested in what you 'think'. Gates have dropped but we're still one of the best supported clubs in the country. Don't know about match day revenue as I didn't mention that at all, that's your thing. You seem to have missed my point entirely. Deloitte say the matchday income the accounts will confirm in a couple of months will be up on 13/14, even having played 3 fewer home games. Both other revenue streams (TV & commercial) have dropped. Remarkable that the fans are the only ones still pumping growing sums into the club... but being called delusional, fickle and over demanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Mike Ashley has done a lot more wrong than appoint SMC. Which was also poor but last in a long list. Everything from match day revenue, commercial revenue beyond TV, attendance, facilities, stadium... down across the board since he bought the club. Crap MD too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Mike Ashley has done a lot more wrong than appoint SMC. Which was also poor but last in a long list. Everything from match day revenue, commercial revenue beyond TV, attendance, facilities, stadium... down across the board since he bought the club. Crap MD too. We know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 I would not mind at all if Ashley had come in and run the club as a sustainable business. For me, it's all the other dreadful decisions made. Hiring cretins like wise and kinnear, the stadium name change, hiring pardew and not getting shot when he really needed to go, dampening expectations, banning any media who question his ways, hiring charnley who then thought carver was an acceptable choice to manage us, allowing charnley to hire mcclaren rather than going for someone more likely to excite the fans and motivate the team, anything to do with press woman wendy, making bob moncur kiss his arse on a regular basis and loads of other things I have missed. If he had appointed acceptably qualified people to the correct posts and communicated with fans on the true reality of expectation etc (and he did communicate, he used to go into pubs and drink with fans) then this level of apathy, almost hatred, wouldn't be here. Or might not nearly be as bad. If he started making good calls on hiring the right people and didn't make every decision seemingly on how to really p*ss off the entire fan base then he could have been really well thought of. He can still turn this around and start doing it, but the question is will he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Mike Ashley has done a lot more wrong than appoint SMC. Which was also poor but last in a long list. Everything from match day revenue, commercial revenue beyond TV, attendance, facilities, stadium... down across the board since he bought the club. Crap MD too. None of which were in the point you addressed. In a normal conversation you talk to someone regarding a particular topic and go on from there. Simply saying something completely different in response and then attempting to argue that point doesn't really work. If you have a particular gripe that you'd like to bring up then please feel free to do so in a meaningful and relevant way. Your method of conversation goes: 'I don't really like the new Dolmio bolognese sauce' 'You're wrong, we should do something about the homeless problem' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 The solution here then is clearly that we should set up more homeless sleeper spikes and coat them in Dolmio bolognese sauce, but because the sauce is lacking a little in tomato flavour, throw a handful of tomatos on the spikes too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Mike Ashley has done a lot more wrong than appoint SMC. Which was also poor but last in a long list. Everything from match day revenue, commercial revenue beyond TV, attendance, facilities, stadium... down across the board since he bought the club. Crap MD too. None of which were in the point you addressed. In a normal conversation you talk to someone regarding a particular topic and go on from there. Simply saying something completely different in response and then attempting to argue that point doesn't really work. If you have a particular gripe that you'd like to bring up then please feel free to do so in a meaningful and relevant way. Your method of conversation goes: 'I don't really like the new Dolmio bolognese sauce' 'You're wrong, we should do something about the homeless problem' [emoji38] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 The post I was referring to implied the club was perfectly placed to be a proper Club if we had a decent manager. But that's not the case. There's a long list of issues that stem from the very top. That prevent us being the most competitive, profitable club it can be. The facilities aren't great in comparison to where we used to be before Ashley bought us. Likewise attendances. Lifewise match day revenue etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 The post I was referring to implied the club was perfectly placed to be a proper Club if we had a decent manager. But that's not the case. There's a long list of issues that stem from the very top. That prevent us being the most competitive, profitable club it can be. The facilities aren't great in comparison to where we used to be before Ashley bought us. Likewise attendances. Lifewise match day revenue etc. Attendances and match day revenues are very much dependent on the performance of the team which is very much dependent on, wait for it, the quality of the manager. Despite your apparent intimate knowledge of the training facilities they are top notch, the squad, whilst lacking in areas, is by no means bad, the stadium is one of the best in the country and the manager is a bloke who was sacked by Derby County. Again, one of these doesn't fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If our training facilities are top notch - why have we spoken about building a new training facility for the last couple of years? Ashley has devalued the club top to bottom the moment he walked through the doors. He's advertised in our stadium for free - damaging the brand by linking it to SD which affects other sponsors we could attract. He's hired incompetent people at every level. He's dampened our expectations. Delivered a crap football team (and manager) year after year. The whole strategic direction of the club is awful. That needs to change (and it won't while he's here). We need to hire a proper MD and let him put in place a proper leadership team that can lead the club to success on the pitch, talking Commercial Director and more... and yes a proper football manager . There's only so much a good COO can do if the people on the Board of Directors, Owner or whatever have the wrong strategic direction of the organisation. Can't see any of this happening with Ashley. Moyes or no Moyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If our training facilities are top notch - why have we spoken about building a new training facility for the last couple of years? Ashley has devalued the club top to bottom the moment he walked through the doors. He's advertised in our stadium for free - damaging the brand by linking it to SD which affects other sponsors we could attract. He's hired incompetent people at every level. He's dampened our expectations. Delivered a crap football team (and manager) year after year. The whole strategic direction of the club is awful. That needs to change (and it won't while he's here). We need to hire a proper MD and let him put in place a proper leadership team that can lead the club to success on the pitch, talking Commercial Director and more... and yes a proper football manager . There's only so much a good COO can do if the people on the Board of Directors, Owner or whatever have the wrong strategic direction of the organisation. Can't see any of this happening with Ashley. Moyes or no Moyes. Yes, we all know Ashley is a shit. That wasn't the point at issue. Let me ask you this, do you think we have the 18th best squad in the league and if not, why are they underperforming? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 If our training facilities are top notch - why have we spoken about building a new training facility for the last couple of years? Ashley has devalued the club top to bottom the moment he walked through the doors. He's advertised in our stadium for free - damaging the brand by linking it to SD which affects other sponsors we could attract. He's hired incompetent people at every level. He's dampened our expectations. Delivered a crap football team (and manager) year after year. The whole strategic direction of the club is awful. That needs to change (and it won't while he's here). We need to hire a proper MD and let him put in place a proper leadership team that can lead the club to success on the pitch, talking Commercial Director and more... and yes a proper football manager . There's only so much a good COO can do if the people on the Board of Directors, Owner or whatever have the wrong strategic direction of the organisation. Can't see any of this happening with Ashley. Moyes or no Moyes. Yes, we all know Ashley is a s***. That wasn't the point at issue. Let me ask you this, do you think we have the 18th best squad in the league and if not, why are they underperforming? Over the last 24 months - in the bottom 6 squads, yeah. Real life isn't FM. If something is inherently broken at a club you can't fix it by signing a few wonderkids and expect everything to improve with a new manager. I never wanted SMC in the first place and he should be doing better. But i'm not surprised we are struggling like this. The squad has had massive holes in it for 2 years and we've only tried to fix in the last 6 months - and that is with the wrong approach. No coincidence the clubs in the bottom 3 have been getting things wrong for YEARS in the PL. At every level - board room, managers, squad etc. the managers know aren't the worst of recent times for any of the clubs but they are all suffering from the effects of terrible decisions upon terrible decisions. But yes - sack SMC, he's shit. But he's the last in a long line of mistakes. Tbh he's not even the last Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 But yes - sack SMC, he's shit. On that you have my full agreement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 From a fans perspective Ashley has made a whole series of poor decisions since he bought the club, however he's making money, so no problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 From a fans perspective Ashley has made a whole series of poor decisions since he bought the club, however he's making money, so no problem. Jesus, where did someone drag you back from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythelads Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 From a fans perspective Ashley has made a whole series of poor decisions since he bought the club, however he's making money, so no problem. Jesus, where did someone drag you back from? Haven't been away, just lost interest in arguing when a load of kids insisted a club/board with no ambition is better than one that tries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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