Dyeyzzon Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Looked very good in the first half, gave the ball away far too much in the second. They wised up and crowded him out second half aside from the last 5-10. Seemed to play a lot more central that freed him up when Sammy/Obertan came on. Seems to be a problem of getting crowded out really whenever he's anonymous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I love him to bits. Okay, he made some mistakes today, but at least he always gives his all, and never hides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Thought he tried to do too much himself today when he was well shackled with sometimes 3 players on him. Needs to pass it more rather than try to beat too many players everytime, ie accept that some weeks it'll come off some weeks it won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Pardew needs to stop seeing him as a milfielder. His natural abilities are ones of a forward. Was funny how he plays in several positions today : begin on the left of a three men forward, then on the left on a 4-4-2 (and it was horrendous) and finish behind the striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I think it's incredibly harsh to say he's out of form, he's still providing some excellent creativity and drive for us. He had a good first half, created 2 very good openings but was far sloppier in the second but he is only human after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 He will never ever fulfill his true potential while Pardew is his manager. He isn't a winger, he's not a work horse, he is a free spirit. KK to Beresford - You will have to work harder son, I don't want Ginola defending. That's your job. Sir Bobby was the same with Robert. He needs the freedom of the pitch and the licence to express himself fully. Ironically he is a naturally hard working player in that he wants to get involved at all times, whether that's on or off the ball, so chasing back, trying to nick the ball etc. isn't something he needs instructed to do. Just let him play. He is arguably one of the best natural footballers in the division and should be tearing it up week in week out, yet he's shackled by shitty tactics, a wide position and god awful football that sees him having to come deep just to get on the ball or looking skywards as it sails over his head. Under a KK or a Sir Bobby he would be up for PFA player of the year awards, score 10 + and create just as many and easily too. Under Pardew? He will always blow hot and cold. I don't buy into all this getting hm to work hard, be more of a team player etc. If I'm a manager I want Ben Arfa playing as high up as possible. I'd fucking buy someone to protect him even just so he can carry on working his magic that's how key he is or should be. I'd tell him to let others do the defending and let him wreck his havoc where it matters. Not outside his own fucking box as happened against the mackems all too often. Honestly, his talent is being wasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Danny Simpson being asked to work harder. Tbh how many other managers have successfully "tamed" him? I think I heard a stat that he's never played a full ninety under any other man. And he does it almost always for us these days, even with all the defending he's being asked to do by Pards. He might not be showcasing the best of his flair but even he realizes that he's become much more mature and responsible as a footballer with his extra duties. Maybe being an all-out attacker made him show his rather temperamental side in the past. Pards may not be the best man for grooming him to be the best player, but he certainly made him a man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Well personally I'm more interested in Ben Arfa the football player than Ben Arfa the man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spiria Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Well personally I'm more interested in Ben Arfa the football player than Ben Arfa the man. Think the two comes along each other. With the maturity comes the consistency to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 He will never ever fulfill his true potential while Pardew is his manager. He isn't a winger, he's not a work horse, he is a free spirit. KK to Beresford - You will have to work harder son, I don't want Ginola defending. That's your job. Sir Bobby was the same with Robert. He needs the freedom of the pitch and the licence to express himself fully. Ironically he is a naturally hard working player in that he wants to get involved at all times, whether that's on or off the ball, so chasing back, trying to nick the ball etc. isn't something he needs instructed to do. Just let him play. He is arguably one of the best natural footballers in the division and should be tearing it up week in week out, yet he's shackled by shitty tactics, a wide position and god awful football that sees him having to come deep just to get on the ball or looking skywards as it sails over his head. Under a KK or a Sir Bobby he would be up for PFA player of the year awards, score 10 + and create just as many and easily too. Under Pardew? He will always blow hot and cold. I don't buy into all this getting hm to work hard, be more of a team player etc. If I'm a manager I want Ben Arfa playing as high up as possible. I'd f***ing buy someone to protect him even just so he can carry on working his magic that's how key he is or should be. I'd tell him to let others do the defending and let him wreck his havoc where it matters. Not outside his own f***ing box as happened against the mackems all too often. Honestly, his talent is being wasted. Yet Ben Arfa himself has said that Pardew's the first coach who's truly "understood" him. Hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Ben Arfa has played by his own admission some of the best football of his career in 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Ben Arfa has played by his own admission some of the best football of his career in 2012. He certainly has. Most of that came on the right of a 4-3-3 which is where he's not being used at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Can't argue. I don't get it either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCONA Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 its cos of Ba not wanting to play that though isnt it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snes Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn cunt, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 shackled That's the one word that sums up our season thus far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn c***, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. Got nothing to do with Ba, Pardew is the manager if he wants to play him there he will, and anyway playing Ba out wide is not the answer to our problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn c***, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubblyDubblyDubbly Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn c***, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. :lol: Been drinking have we ? No Ba > no goals > no 3 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snes Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn c***, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. :lol: Been drinking have we ? No Ba > no goals > no 3 points. Or if Ba played on the left. More Goals > more wins > more 3 points. It's not just a coincidence the rest of the team are under performing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn c***, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. :lol: Been drinking have we ? No Ba > no goals > no 3 points. Or if Ba played on the left. More Goals > more wins > more 3 points. It's not just a coincidence the rest of the team are under performing. Do you really believe the only reason that we don't play 4-3-3 is because of Ba? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snes Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn c***, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. :lol: Been drinking have we ? No Ba > no goals > no 3 points. Or if Ba played on the left. More Goals > more wins > more 3 points. It's not just a coincidence the rest of the team are under performing. Do you really believe the only reason that we don't play 4-3-3 is because of Ba? What other reason could there be? You don't just scrap something that was producing results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 It's Ba's fault all of this. Him being a stubborn c***, not wanting to play on the left. I may get shot down for this, but If i was Pardew, I'd sell him in January, and bring in another striker, who can and will play on the left of a front three. :lol: Been drinking have we ? No Ba > no goals > no 3 points. Or if Ba played on the left. More Goals > more wins > more 3 points. It's not just a coincidence the rest of the team are under performing. Do you really believe the only reason that we don't play 4-3-3 is because of Ba? What other reason could there be? You don't just scrap something that was producing results. Pardew loves 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Probably Giggs, but Ben Arfa has completed more dribbles this season (83), than the whole Villa team combined (82). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Probably Giggs, but Ben Arfa has completed more dribbles this season (83), than the whole Villa team combined (82). But has someone else bar Ben Arfa completed a dibble for us...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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