Guest chopey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 When we broke the world record transfer fee for Shearer did you think "Champion we can play him for a season and then make a hefty profit" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Surely any incoming owner(one with a shitload of money) would want his own men in place? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm amazed people are still wasting time with this pudding, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:15, Ronaldo said: I'm amazed people are still wasting time with this pudding, man. I know he's got weight issues, but no denying ben arfa is a class act, Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:13, Interpolic said: No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as pissed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very pissed off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:11, trollemache said: But I'm arguing for moderation, I just draw the line in a different place to you. If expressing a level of disapproval short of "He's a cunt under whose stewardship the team will crash and burn" is being an apologist then I suppose I am one, but I'm not on a mission to get everyone to like him. I just don't hate his transfer policy the way you do (yet - who knows). We won't have signed a permanent first team player in 18 months whilst letting numerous players leave. That's to moderation as aneroxia is to weight watchers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:19, loki679 said: Quote But I'm arguing for moderation, I just draw the line in a different place to you. If expressing a level of disapproval short of "He's a cunt under whose stewardship the team will crash and burn" is being an apologist then I suppose I am one, but I'm not on a mission to get everyone to like him. I just don't hate his transfer policy the way you do (yet - who knows). We won't have signed a permanent first team player in 18 months whilst letting numerous players leave. That's to moderation as aneroxia is to weight watchers. I don't care if they're permanent or not. Loan players still play for your team. If we signed the entire Spain side on loan we'd improve. Obviously it's better to make permanent signings but to completely disregard loans for the sake of a factoid isn't on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:18, trollemache said: Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's shite and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Loans are for Hartlepool and Fucking Grimsby, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:22, trollemache said: Quote Quote But I'm arguing for moderation, I just draw the line in a different place to you. If expressing a level of disapproval short of "He's a c*** under whose stewardship the team will crash and burn" is being an apologist then I suppose I am one, but I'm not on a mission to get everyone to like him. I just don't hate his transfer policy the way you do (yet - who knows). We won't have signed a permanent first team player in 18 months whilst letting numerous players leave. That's to moderation as aneroxia is to weight watchers. I don't care if they're permanent or not. Loan players still play for your team. If we signed the entire Spain side on loan we'd improve. Obviously it's better to make permanent signings but to completely disregard loans for the sake of a factoid isn't on. I thought you were all about the long term plan? Loans are shit for the longevity you crave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I thought we were looking for long term improvement, slowly slowly catchy monkey kind of thing? Short term band aids that need to be replaced and simply add to your squad problems when they leave doesn't seem to match that model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 For reference see: mackems, 2009-present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:23, Andymc1 said: Quote Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's shite and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:24, loki679 said: I thought we were looking for long term improvement, slowly slowly catchy monkey kind of thing? Short term band aids that need to be replaced and simply add to your squad problems when they leave doesn't seem to match that model. Yes I'd rather have permanent signings, but you're talking as though loans don't really count or affect your team, or something. If you happen to sign a really good striker on loan, it means you're under no pressure to sign one permanently until the loan ends, so obviously you'll do less business during that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 We all knew our best player was going to be sold, the ridiculous thing is that a replacement was not lined up months in advance, its unprofessional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:27, trollemache said: Quote Quote Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I miss Ian W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:31, Beren said: I miss Ian W. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:29, trollemache said: Quote I thought we were looking for long term improvement, slowly slowly catchy monkey kind of thing? Short term band aids that need to be replaced and simply add to your squad problems when they leave doesn't seem to match that model. Yes I'd rather have permanent signings, but you're talking as though loans don't really count or affect your team, or something. If you happen to sign a really good striker on loan, it means you're under no pressure to sign one permanently until the loan ends, so obviously you'll do less business during that time. So what strikers will NUFC have come July 1st as things stand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:30, Andymc1 said: Quote Quote Quote Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Ashley already decided it doesn't matter when we didn't buy a replacement for Cabaye. Basically, the season ended at Christmas and if you paid for a season ticket tough shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:32, TRon said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Ashley already decided it doesn't matter when we didn't buy a replacement for Cabaye. Basically, the season ended at Christmas and if you paid for a season ticket tough s***. That's the point I was getting towards. If he accepts the decision to wait until the Summer to sign someone then he is happy to have a terrible January-May results wise, something that I just can't fathom as a football fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:30, Andymc1 said: Quote Quote Quote Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Remy, Gouffran and de Jong aren't so bad I don't think? I'd love to keep them all and replace Shola to boot. I think we'll finish in 8th or 9th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:31, Beren said: I miss Ian W. hmmm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:33, Andymc1 said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Ashley already decided it doesn't matter when we didn't buy a replacement for Cabaye. Basically, the season ended at Christmas and if you paid for a season ticket tough s***. That's the point I was getting towards. If he accepts the decision to wait until the Summer to sign someone then he is happy to have a terrible January-May results wise, something that I just can't fathom as a football fan. I don't expect that will bother trollemache though, things tend to lose their focus when you are sitting in Croatia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissmag Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 On 17/02/2014 at 15:34, trollemache said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote No transfer activity whatsoever isn't moderation in any sense man, I'd be surprised if you were keeping a straight face. The best way I've summed up my position so far maybe, has been to post those lineups from September of the last 3 seasons in the AP thread. In each case, our squad has been discernibly stronger, i.e; we have, in some way or another, improved our personnel each year, whether the improvements have come in January or whatever. If by this September that hasn't happened again, and the 'how strong is our squad?' graph has levelled off or gone downhill, then I'll want to know why. I'm not interested in what we have or haven't done in the last X windows- are the players on the pitch at the start of each season better than they were at the start of the season before? The answer in the last few years has been 'yes'. I fully expect some action over the summer. If it doesn't happen I'll be as p*ssed off as you. Well, nearly. You seem to get very p*ssed off. Let's not speculate about what might or might not happen in the Summer. Look at the here and now - it's s**** and you know it. Also, your argument is absolutely invalid as the clubs in and around us have improved considerably in the same time frame whilst we lag behind. Finally, it's been a natural improvement due to the fact we were only promoted again in 09/10 season. The here and now is that we've just sold our best player for loads of money and haven't replaced him yet. Obviously what we do in the next window is very relevant. Yes it's a natural improvement but it's still an improvement (and I do think we've improved relative to other sides too, most definitely), and the question for me is will it continue? If yes: good. If no: bad. The last player we sold for loads of cash was Andy Carroll - how long did it take to replace him? I'd suggest we still haven't considering our current striking options. Out of interest where do you think we'll finish this season? Remy, Gouffran and de Jong aren't so bad I don't think? I'd love to keep them all and replace Shola to boot. I think we'll finish in 8th or 9th. Gouffran? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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