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That makes sense if you ignore the fact we only bought one first teamer in the summer (Anita)...

 

Not saying we will just saying the reasons why we don't need to go mad.

 

Agree we don't need to go mad... Always feel 3 players is normally a safe limit for integration and to evolve the team... That's why the club messed up last summer... Instead of 3+3 in the two windows we went 1+5...

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That makes sense if you ignore the fact we only bought one first teamer in the summer (Anita)...

 

Not saying we will just saying the reasons why we don't need to go mad.

 

Agree we don't need to go mad... Always feel 3 players is normally a safe limit for integration and to evolve the team... That's why the club messed up last summer... Instead of 3+3 in the two windows we went 1+5...

 

I agree completely.

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And the fact the PL now has a shortage of physical hardmen strikers. Game has completely changed from say 10/15 year ago. I think Colo/MYM could would perfectly well.

 

The strikers of today are far better athletes; stronger and quicker. It's not about who likes elbowing defenders.

 

Disagree - Shearer(before his injury at Goodison), your Brazilian namesake, further back, KK himself, Supermac, Mike Channon etc....and what about the likes of Milburn in the 50s..?

Macdonald would leave ANY modern striker in the dust for pace, KK the majority of them and as for muscle, KK was built like a pocket battleship and Supermac was too strong for the majority of defenders.

 

 

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And the fact the PL now has a shortage of physical hardmen strikers. Game has completely changed from say 10/15 year ago. I think Colo/MYM could would perfectly well.

 

The strikers of today are far better athletes; stronger and quicker. It's not about who likes elbowing defenders.

 

Disagree - Shearer(before his injury at Goodison), your Brazilian namesake, further back, KK himself, Supermac, Mike Channon etc....and what about the likes of Milburn in the 50s..?

Macdonald would leave ANY modern striker in the dust for pace, KK the majority of them and as for muscle, KK was built like a pocket battleship and Supermac was too strong for the majority of defenders.

 

 

Shearer and Ronaldo I would agree with, but any further back and it becomes extremely difficult to compare. Players from the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's only ever played against players from their own era, so you have to judge their athletic ability relative to who they were competing with. The sport as a whole was slower and less athletic back then. In theory it would be much easier to stand up against this competition. You mention Milburn in the fifties. In the 1952 Olympics, the winning 100m dash time was 10.4 seconds. In 2012 that time wouldn't have qualified for the semifinals of the events. For a number of reasons, the world simply produces better athletes than it used to.

 

In reference to your claim about Malcolm Macdonald, I think you are seriously underestimating how quick some of the speedsters from the current era would look in the 70's.

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I think we only need 3 players for first team as long as 2 are a left winger and striker, with the 3rd a centre midfielder. Could argue a centre half but with mym, colo, tayls there potentially start using tav or streete this season.

 

We do need to bring in quite a few young players underneath the first team though, the quality is awful, we need forwards as only appear to have campbell as decent striker

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In reference to your claim about Malcolm Macdonald, I think you are seriously underestimating how quick some of the speedsters from the current era would look in the 70's.

 

I think you are seriously under estimating how quick those older players were. Supermac ran the 100m in 10.4 secs on Superstars without blocks, spikes and on a cinder track - that time would have qualified him for the GB Olympic relay squad that year. As for strength he was built like an Ox and again in Superstars he out threw every other athlete in the medicine ball throw.

 

As for Milburn, he ran in the famous Powderhall race in 1940, won his heat but then threw the semi final by weighing himself down with pennies in one of his shoes. It was a huge gambling race and his backers wanted to save him for the following year. His initials were JET and speaking to people who saw him play they say that's what he was.

 

Walcott's fastest recorded time is 10.6 secs and as far as I can see Marvell Wynne of Colarado Rapids holds the record for a footballer at 10.39 secs whilst at High School.  PEA can run the 100 in 11 secs.

 

Supermac would have been simply devasting in today's game.

 

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I'd be pleasantly surprised if Cabaye is still a newcastle player next season. I'd be over the moon with just Remy and Sinclair personally as then our midfield and forward line could be:

 

                Tiote/Jonas

  Marveaux                Sissoko

 

HBA                            Sinclair/Goufran

                Remy

 

We then have Goufran and Cisse whom i both rate pushing the front three for their places. I view this as the absolute minimum requirement and we should move heaven and earth to get Remy and Sinclair over the line as we are clearly desperate for this type of quality up front.

 

Great if we signed Bent too and wouldn't be surprised if we did get Bent,  if he did really well for us and started banging the goals in again. I'd just like us to try this team above packed with exciting Speed and Skill. Remy is obviously pivotal to this. Also Sinclair looks like he's a really exciting player and could be just what we need and being a British left winger by trade should be able to track back when required too you would hope.

 

In midfield even if we lose Cabaye we still have Sissoko, Marveaux, Tiote, Jonas, Anita and Bigi which looks really strong, fast and creative.

 

Add to that Santon and Debuchy getting down the flanks as well as they do too and i'm optimistic we have a really good exciting team.

 

Santon needs to improve defensively he switches off now and again, but is very impressive and creative going forward.

 

We also need Pardew to really grow a pair and really go attack teams with the above. Let them worry about us a lot more and don't sit back and defend as much.

 

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I don't think it's a coincidence that the year we did most of our summer business early, pre 11-12, was our best one since Ashley took us over.

 

The only real differences were like-for-like replacements those first 11 games (Cabaye for Nolan, Ba for Carroll and Obertan (lol) for Barton. Cabaye had a disrupted pre-season with the US Colgate scandal, Obertan signed pretty late, only really Ba had a settled pre-season with us out of the new signings in that starting XI.

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S. Sinclair & Remy would be great work.

 

Agreed. A real injection of pace and skill. Presuming Cabaye will be sold. I'd be tempted to line up:

                   

                    Krul

 

Debuchy. Taylor Colo santon

 

              Jonas/Tiote

      Marveaux.        Sissoko

 

  HBA.                              Sinclair/Goufran

                  Remy

 

Our fastest ever team ! Speed tastic !!!

 

 

No point having all this pace if we are simply going to bypass the midfield anyway with a hopeful hoof.  We should be sliding balls through on the deck all the time with these players to run on to.  Absolutely no reason why we cannot play really nice flowing, quick football with this team.

 

Hang on, I forgot Pardew was our manager for a minute.

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S. Sinclair & Remy would be great work.

 

Agreed. A real injection of pace and skill. Presuming Cabaye will be sold. I'd be tempted to line up:

                   

                    Krul

 

Debuchy. Taylor Colo santon

 

              Jonas/Tiote

      Marveaux.        Sissoko

 

  HBA.                              Sinclair/Goufran

                  Remy

 

Our fastest ever team ! Speed tastic !!!

 

 

No point having all this pace if we are simply going to bypass the midfield anyway with a hopeful hoof.  We should be sliding balls through on the deck all the time with these players to run on to.  Absolutely no reason why we cannot play really nice flowing, quick football with this team.

 

Hang on, I forgot Pardew was our manager for a minute.

 

Agreed. Even Pardew coulden't play hoof ball with that team. So much movement speed, skill and opposition coulden't just stifle us by doubling up on HBA.

 

Ball retention is definitely something we need to work on.

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:lol:  I'm not rising to your bait son. Good effs though :thup: that's the second one this morning

 

Out of interest why post it in this thread? :lol:

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:lol:  I'm not rising to your bait son. Good effs though :thup: that's the second one this morning

 

Out of interest why post it in this thread? :lol:

 

:lol: only just noticed that.

 

Thought i had missed something at first :lol:

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I don't think it's a coincidence that the year we did most of our summer business early, pre 11-12, was our best one since Ashley took us over.

 

Sure, think everyone agrees it's better to do things early if possible. It's just harder when you place so much emphasis on getting the right financial deal.

 

That said, you could argue that the likes Sissoko et al have had six months extra integration already.

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I'm dont think there was much hoofball 2nd half of last season to be honest, I think we were just s***.

 

Agreed. I think we will see even less next year. People go on like Pardew's tactic is hoofball, when quite clearly he is saying we need to retain possession a lot more and look more comfortable on the ball, taking control of games, I’m fairly certain you can't do that style of play by kicking it up to Cisse at any given opportunity. Last year, especially the back end of the season, our confidence was abysmal and as soon as we came under pressure, nobody in our side could take the control back, we crumbled in the second half time and time again as soon as the opposition came at us. Once again I don’t think Pardew was going in at half time with a 0-0/1-0 and telling our players to now sit back for 45 minutes and soak up the pressure, our players just underperformed. Not taking all the blame away from Pardew by any means, tactics from the start and during certain games was poor, team selections and choices/timing of substitutions was sometimes beyond belief.

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Our possession will only improve if our movement does. Most of the time the players are forced in to belting it long due to Cisse being the only player on the move/looking to move into space and a few players seemingly having little confidence in their own ability to retain the ball

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Our possession will only improve if our movement does. Most of the time the players are forced in to belting it long due to Cisse being the only player on the move/looking to move into space and a few players seemingly having little confidence in their own ability to retain the ball

 

Yep, this is very important. I think movement comes with confidence and positivity as well, hopefully not having the relegation threat right on our backs will help. Also picking Anita more would be good for this.

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Yeah more games with Anita/HBA involved in would help us get forward more and hold on to the ball more as well. A fully fit HBA this year will be a massive boost to the way we play.

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Our possession will only improve if our movement does. Most of the time the players are forced in to belting it long due to Cisse being the only player on the move/looking to move into space and a few players seemingly having little confidence in their own ability to retain the ball

 

I think that comes down to the manager at the end of the day. We can blame the players to a certain point, but when the manager himself is publicly yearning for jumpers, tacklers and signings like Andy Carroll it's a clue to where his philosophy is firmly rooted. No doubt he is looking to change it on the surface, the question is, does he have any idea how to do it?

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