ponsaelius Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. And the roads are like driving on the face of the moon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. Isn't Paris like that? Suburbs apparently look complete shite from what I've read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. aren't we viewed quite that way in this country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Although, on the flip side, as a filthy rich footballer, you're perfectly able to get yourself a lovely pad on Lake Como, which isn't too far away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Milan is the only place I've wanted to cut short a holiday from. The place is a fucking shit-tip (outside of the actual city centre). Fucking awful place. And I live in Seaham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Milan is the only place I've wanted to cut short a holiday from. The place is a f***ing s***-tip (outside of the actual city centre). f***ing awful place. And I live in Seaham. milans city centre wasn't that great either. some nice bits round by that cathedral but just a modern, living , working city centre really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Although, on the flip side, as a filthy rich footballer, you're perfectly able to get yourself a lovely pad on Lake Como, which isn't too far away. I believe that's where Jose lived when at Inter. Passed it on a train from Milan to Switzerland once, very nice part of the world indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Milan is the only place I've wanted to cut short a holiday from. The place is a f***ing s***-tip (outside of the actual city centre). f***ing awful place. And I live in Seaham. milans city centre wasn't that great either. some nice bits round by that cathedral but just a modern, living , working city centre really. That's their city centre imo! Stayed in a hotel near their main train station to the North (10 minutes from city centre) and it was about as insipid and dull as you're going to get. People associate 'Milan' with glamour, fashion, glitz and a bit of panache. Truth is that's it's a bit of a hovel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 we sacked off 2 of our nights in Milan in favour of spending extra time in Barcelona when we Interrailed. Not a great deal to do, expensive and quite dirty I thought. The San Siro area is an utter dump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 we sacked off 2 of our nights in Milan in favour of spending extra time in Barcelona when we Interrailed. Not a great deal to do, expensive and quite dirty I thought. The San Siro area is an utter dump. Barcelona is a fabulous City The area around the San Giro is really terrible, dodgy as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Milan is the only place I've wanted to cut short a holiday from. The place is a f***ing s***-tip (outside of the actual city centre). f***ing awful place. And I live in Seaham. milans city centre wasn't that great either. some nice bits round by that cathedral but just a modern, living , working city centre really. That's their city centre imo! Stayed in a hotel near their main train station to the North (10 minutes from city centre) and it was about as insipid and dull as you're going to get. People associate 'Milan' with glamour, fashion, glitz and a bit of panache. Truth is that's it's a bit of a hovel. Milan central station is a horrible hole. When I lived over there, you'd see junkies shooting up in broad daylight around there. My mate lived in a road along the side of the station, and used to go to work in the morning and find junkies asleep in his car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 This is pretty much the perception of Newcastle United in Holland too I'm afraid.. Edit: what I mean is for example when Anita came to NUFC from Ajax, you could read/hear similar derogatory stuff about Newcastle in the Dutch press. Same in Italy. I never understood why, probably because the media there always refer to it as an "industrial, grey and isolated city in the north east" This is largely because Britain is one of the most capital-centric countries in the world. You basically have London, then - as far as foreigners are concerned - nothing else worth bothering about. France is just as bad. re Italian press, it's funny, but if you go to, say, Milan, outside of a relatively small area in the city centre, you are quickly into some of the most depressing urban environments in western europe - great chunks of the city are taken up by housing projects that look like Caeucescu designed them. That's true, outside the centre "bit" Milan is hideous, absolutely hideous Although, on the flip side, as a filthy rich footballer, you're perfectly able to get yourself a lovely pad on Lake Como, which isn't too far away. I believe that's where Jose lived when at Inter. Passed it on a train from Milan to Switzerland once, very nice part of the world indeed It is beautiful, as are all the lakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 we sacked off 2 of our nights in Milan in favour of spending extra time in Barcelona when we Interrailed. Not a great deal to do, expensive and quite dirty I thought. The San Siro area is an utter dump. Barcelona is a fabulous City The area around the San Giro is really terrible, dodgy as. Friends Mum got mugged in Barcelona, first day there an all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Isn't Rome a shithole as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Isn't Rome a shithole as well? In places but overall a fanatastic place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The area around the San Giro is really terrible, dodgy as. Really? Not sure I'd agree with that. I've been to the San Siro probably 30 times (season ticket holder one year), and I always thought the walk from the metro station to the stadium along the tree lined avenue was quite nice. I guess it depends which area you approach from. One thing I will say, the San Siro is one of the truly epic sights in football, the first time you see it. From outside, it just - to my eyes - looks absolutely beautiful. Mind you, I am aware that I am maybe exaggerating that as a result of the 1990 WC, which is my favourite (for lots of reasons, some not to do with actual football) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 we sacked off 2 of our nights in Milan in favour of spending extra time in Barcelona when we Interrailed. Not a great deal to do, expensive and quite dirty I thought. The San Siro area is an utter dump. Barcelona is a fabulous City The area around the San Giro is really terrible, dodgy as. Friends Mum got mugged in Barcelona, first day there an all. I had the worlds shittest mugger try to attempt to mug me and some randoms. A group of us were stumbling back from a bar crawl, carrying a barely conscious American lad and got asked to hand over our phones and wallets. Basically turned into a "no" - "hand them over" back and forth argument for 2 or 3 minutes and he just walked away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 The area around the San Giro is really terrible, dodgy as. Really? Not sure I'd agree with that. I've been to the San Siro probably 30 times (season ticket holder one year), and I always thought the walk from the metro station to the stadium along the tree lined avenue was quite nice. I guess it depends which area you approach from. One thing I will say, the San Siro is one of the truly epic sights in football, the first time you see it. From outside, it just - to my eyes - looks absolutely beautiful. Mind you, I am aware that I am maybe exaggerating that as a result of the 1990 WC, which is my favourite (for lots of reasons, some not to do with actual football) true but it does seem to be in amongst a load of small flats, big bit of space then the san siro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 we sacked off 2 of our nights in Milan in favour of spending extra time in Barcelona when we Interrailed. Not a great deal to do, expensive and quite dirty I thought. The San Siro area is an utter dump. Barcelona is a fabulous City The area around the San Giro is really terrible, dodgy as. Friends Mum got mugged in Barcelona, first day there an all. I had the worlds shittest mugger try to attempt to mug me and some randoms. A group of us were stumbling back from a bar crawl, carrying a barely conscious American lad and got asked to hand over our phones and wallets. Basically turned into a "no" - "hand them over" back and forth argument for 2 or 3 minutes and he just walked away. Some skinheads tried to mug me and my mate in Budapest in 1992. They were pathetic. They approached us, looking menacing, then their leader shouted something in Hungarian, we replied in English along the lines of "errr, don't understand". At that point, they seemed flustered by our foreignness, and their leader cleared his throat, adopted his best accent, and said "Do you have any forints for us?" We said no, they accepted the answer, and walked on. Shittest muggers ever. This was, obv, soon into their transition to capitalism, I imagine two decades of the ravages of unrestrained capitalism and the pursuit of profit have managed to improve their muggers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Isn't Rome a shithole as well? I don't think it's too much worse than most major cities TBH, it's tainted by graffiti/litter/dog poo/cigarette buds and like every city has its grim areas. Still a beautiful place to visit though. Napoli, now there's a shithole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Isn't Rome a shithole as well? Rome's tremendous. Bit twitchy at night but it's a super place to go to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Isn't Rome a shithole as well? I don't think it's too much worse than most major cities TBH, it's tainted by graffiti/litter/dog poo/cigarette buds and like every city has its grim areas. Still a beautiful place to visit though. Napoli, now there's a shithole. The last time I went to Naples, there was a taxi driver strike, in which they were refusing to pick up or drop off people at the airport. I therefore had to walk out of the airport, and up a road, before I could get one. Exiting the airport, the very first thing I saw was an enormous dead rat, just lying there in the middle of the street. Weird. Naples is a hole (google Naples refuse collection for an idea of the problems it has), but it is also an amazing city in many senses. I went to see Napoli play Inter, and it was one of the best football experiences ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Isn't Rome a shithole as well? Rome's tremendous. Bit twitchy at night but it's a super place to go to. Totally agree. A fantastic city, with amazing history. It's fucking ace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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