Cronky Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 We're playing with a man short when Pardew goes the direct route. The ball just doesn't stick and I doubt Cisse himself relishes having any of the back 5 pick him out to get on the end of one of their punts. Yesterday I said at half time we'd be better off swapping him for Shola if thats the style of play favoured by the manager. Its awful to watch and goes nowhere near bringing the best out of Cisse. I had the pleasure of watching this bloke, in Germany, a couple of times. I'm glad somebody raised the worth of his link-up play & work-rate in the deeper attacking slot, because it's something i noticed. Much like Defoe this area of his game is very underrated, probably due to the praise he has received in other categories ie. clever movement in & around the box, single-minded strikers' instinct, clinical finisher with both feet. That's an interesting point, because he does look capable of adapting his role to our team's requirements and Premiership football. He looks like a decent all-rounder who has the skill and the mobility to drop a bit deeper to link with the midfield. I don't really like the idea of an Owen-like poacher who's there just to finish off chances created by others. It feels a bit old-fashioned for the level that we're aiming for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 He's gotta be playing on sunday man, 2 goals in his first 4 in english football, his link up play is good, he's GOT to be playing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Cisse have to play at HOME against Norwich ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Just brought him into my Fantasy League team so he better score at least 5 tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 “We’re not getting him in a position [to score]. So there’s no point in him being on the pitch if we’re not able to dominate the game and create chances where he can bring out what’s best in him. Hideous. If that's the criteria then we may never see him again. Incredibly harsh to be judging him like this when he hasn't even had a full game yet, despite scoring a few goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 That's not a judgement of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 TrollBot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Well learn to read, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 So pathetic. Have a nice day xx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 He's going to be shit unless we're able to keep possession better. To me, his first touch is very good but he's not a target man so launching balls up to him is ridiculous. Did Pardew not scout him at all before signing him? He has a bit of pace and his movement looks excellent. His first touch is good and he's shown an ability to drop back and lay a ball off with one touch, which means that he'd be effective if we play the ball into his feet closer to the goal. Ba is also better with the ball at his feet rather than launched up at him, so we really need to keep the ball better and try to pass it around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 He's going to be s*** unless we're able to keep possession better. To me, his first touch is very good but he's not a target man so launching balls up to him is ridiculous. Did Pardew not scout him at all before signing him? He has a bit of pace and his movement looks excellent. His first touch is good and he's shown an ability to drop back and lay a ball off with one touch, which means that he'd be effective if we play the ball into his feet closer to the goal. Ba is also better with the ball at his feet rather than launched up at him, so we really need to keep the ball better and try to pass it around. Criminal if he doesn't start tomorrow. I agree with everything you are saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 TrollBot. erm. He was right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I can definitely see Shola start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 TrollBot. erm. He was right http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/9149884/Newcastle-United-striker-Papiss-Demba-Cisse-struggling-to-adapt-to-England.html? No judgement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Is it just me or is Pardew being really thick drawing attention to this? Cisse's only been available to play for our last 5 games. Yet another example of where I'd just like Pardew to shut the fuck up once in a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Did he play as a lone striker for Freiburg or with another striker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Aye, don't get what he's trying to do here, obviously it was just two sentences or so in a press conference that's been turned into an article but he still needs to be careful saying things like this IMO. Not saying it will derail our season but it can't help that much. Maybe we should get some language teachers at the training ground anyway, Jonas and Colo still can't even speak English that well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Jonas' English is fantastic and was before he came Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Aye, don't get what he's trying to do here, obviously it was just two sentences or so in a press conference that's been turned into an article but he still needs to be careful saying things like this IMO. Not saying it will derail our season but it can't help that much. Maybe we should get some language teachers at the training ground anyway, Jonas and Colo still can't even speak English that well! Don't think I've ever heard Colo speak but Jonas is pretty good, heavily accented though which makes it sound worse than it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Jonas' English is fantastic and was before he came Maybe we have different ideas of fantastic, Marveaux's English is fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Pardew's point about Bundesliga centrehalves (by comparing the difference in 'physical' play) is irrelevant, if you're coaching a pass-and-move gameplan, where your strikers' movement (and Ba & Cisse can alternate) originates from the deeper slots. A centrehalf won't track a forward/striker that far away from the box, otherwise the back four's defensive shape is severely compromised. That defensive duty, or tracking for the want of a better term, rests on the shoulders of the team's floating DM - a DeJong or Tiote. Even then that DM can't be everywhere at one time, that's why i'd like to see Ben Arfa switched permanently to the right with the license to roam inside. That would give the floating DM plenty of headaches, and spread the focus of attack in the hole between the midfield and the last line of defense. Cisse has a good enough 1st touch, turn of pace & change of direction to create a shooting cushion for himself in any league tbh. Those attributes are not that difficult to spot. Pardew's comment holds weight if you want the bloke contesting 50/50's, with his back to goal for 90mins. If this is Pardew's intention, which looks likely going by previous outings, then it's a criminal misuse of a ball-playing footballer. Reading into the catchphrase that Cisse is struggling to adapt to English Football. It's spot-on with the inclusion of Crazy Gang Football, or if this scenario was 20+ years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 So there’s no point in him being on the pitch So there’s no point in him being on the pitch So there’s no point in him being on the pitch So there’s no point in him being on the pitch My patience with Pardew is almost exhausted. Instead of playing to the strengths of the players he has, Cabaye, Arfa, Cisse, Ba - he's rather try to mould them into whatever the fuck he thinks football is to the detriment of all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Struggling to adapt to English football man, 2 goals in his first 4 games! The only thing he'll struggle to adapt to is balls coming at him from a mile up in the air, Ba's had the best season of his career and he's been struggling to adapt to that shite all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Considering Cisse was apparently Pardew's top target for over 12 months, you think he would have had a system in mind to accomodate him, espcially now we have him here. Problem as I see it at the moment is not Cisse, its the fact Cabaye is playing shite and is not offering the range of passing and movement he was before his ban. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andrew Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Really just goes even further to add to the suggestion of how poor a coach pardew is and that the long ball is here to stay. Seeing as it is, I'd rather us spent the Cisse money on a centre back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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