Papiss Cissé

[Cajun]

As I have said before, when Cisse has shown he will take the goalscoring burden off Ba I could accept Ba shifting out wide (although that would be harsh on him). Cisse is playing out of position now but hasn't for the majority of the season.

 

Ba being able to play out wide has been massively exaggerated due to our poor form. Between him wanting to play in his natural position and Pardew being 'a shit manager' we can blame all our problems on two things which is easier to accept than the multitude of failings we have had this season from disciplinary problems, injuries and lack of form from key players.

 

Can't get my head around the one player actually performing getting the blame but I suppose that's football

[Jack Flash]

Still can't believe that 4-3-3 is seen as our only hope. A tactic where one of our lethal strikers is rendered useless is fawned upon because we played well for a few games last year.

 

Other tactics are available and any half decent manager would try some other ideas to get these 2 going simultaneously.

i agree to a point, however you'd think if you try something and it doesn't work you'd then revert to what you know does work to steady things before trying something else.

 

It only worked for a few games and swiftly ended with a 4-0 hammering at Wigan. That game in particular has definitely poisoned Pardew against attacking football/tactics ever since imo and it's killing us.

[Greg]

Still can't believe that 4-3-3 is seen as our only hope. A tactic where one of our lethal strikers is rendered useless is fawned upon because we played well for a few games last year.

 

Other tactics are available and any half decent manager would try some other ideas to get these 2 going simultaneously.

i agree to a point, however you'd think if you try something and it doesn't work you'd then revert to what you know does work to steady things before trying something else.

 

It only worked for a few games and swiftly ended with a 4-0 hammering at Wigan. That game in particular has definitely poisoned Pardew against attacking football/tactics ever since imo and it's killing us.

 

We didn't play 433 at Wigan.

[Jack Flash]

Still can't believe that 4-3-3 is seen as our only hope. A tactic where one of our lethal strikers is rendered useless is fawned upon because we played well for a few games last year.

 

Other tactics are available and any half decent manager would try some other ideas to get these 2 going simultaneously.

i agree to a point, however you'd think if you try something and it doesn't work you'd then revert to what you know does work to steady things before trying something else.

 

It only worked for a few games and swiftly ended with a 4-0 hammering at Wigan. That game in particular has definitely poisoned Pardew against attacking football/tactics ever since imo and it's killing us.

 

We didn't play 433 at Wigan.

 

He changed it from that when we were getting battered and completely overran in every area then went back to it in the second half.

[Darth Crooks]

Whatever you believe in terms of dressing room politics and striking focal points; there is something that stinks about the way this lad is being utilised and Pardew has to take flak for that. I find it hard to believe that there is no way both these top class strikers are incapable of both scoring goals when played in the same side.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Still can't believe that 4-3-3 is seen as our only hope. A tactic where one of our lethal strikers is rendered useless is fawned upon because we played well for a few games last year.

 

Other tactics are available and any half decent manager would try some other ideas to get these 2 going simultaneously.

 

It's not the only tactic but has looked our best bet. Also, Ba really isn't rendered useless as a wide forward, considering he's played the majority of his senior career there and scored plenty. It's not like he didn't have chances there last year either, he just wasn't putting them in.

[Guest neesy111]

Still can't believe that 4-3-3 is seen as our only hope. A tactic where one of our lethal strikers is rendered useless is fawned upon because we played well for a few games last year.

 

Other tactics are available and any half decent manager would try some other ideas to get these 2 going simultaneously.

i agree to a point, however you'd think if you try something and it doesn't work you'd then revert to what you know does work to steady things before trying something else.

 

It only worked for a few games and swiftly ended with a 4-0 hammering at Wigan. That game in particular has definitely poisoned Pardew against attacking football/tactics ever since imo and it's killing us.

 

We didn't play 433 at Wigan.

 

We started with 433 in that game.  Changed it after 2-0 from what I remember of the game (not much).

[Jack Flash]

Still can't believe that 4-3-3 is seen as our only hope. A tactic where one of our lethal strikers is rendered useless is fawned upon because we played well for a few games last year.

 

Other tactics are available and any half decent manager would try some other ideas to get these 2 going simultaneously.

 

It's not the only tactic but has looked our best bet. Also, Ba really isn't rendered useless as a wide forward, considering he's played the majority of his senior career there and scored plenty. It's not like he didn't have chances there last year either, he just wasn't putting them in.

 

I don't remember Ba being anything special out wide personally and the chances he was missing are the same chances Cisse is missing this season.

 

The main fact is it's almost a year since we signed Cisse and while we've played them both together on nearly ever occasion, they still look like strangers.

[Ronaldo]

Don't remember Ba ever scoring out wide.

[Dr Venkman]

As I have said before, when Cisse has shown he will take the goalscoring burden off Ba I could accept Ba shifting out wide (although that would be harsh on him).

 

This happened last season and didn't make any difference to the way Pardew started this one.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Still can't believe that 4-3-3 is seen as our only hope. A tactic where one of our lethal strikers is rendered useless is fawned upon because we played well for a few games last year.

 

Other tactics are available and any half decent manager would try some other ideas to get these 2 going simultaneously.

 

It's not the only tactic but has looked our best bet. Also, Ba really isn't rendered useless as a wide forward, considering he's played the majority of his senior career there and scored plenty. It's not like he didn't have chances there last year either, he just wasn't putting them in.

 

I don't remember Ba being anything special out wide personally and the chances he was missing are the same chances Cisse is missing this season.

 

The main fact is it's almost a year since we signed Cisse and while we've played them both together on nearly ever occasion, they still look like strangers.

 

As you've said though, he only played there for a few matches last year. Facts are this, he played there for Hoffenheim and still managed a very respectable scoring record, I don't see why he can't do the same here.

 

Don't remember Ba ever scoring out wide.

 

Spurs.

[Cajun]

Probably because Ba requested to play central, was given a chance and took it.

 

Can't see how anyone can be annoyed at him wanting to play in his favoured position if he is delivering the goods, this whilst the other striker is failing to score but obviously that is Ba's fault.

[Guest neesy111]

Didn't Ba play out wide for West Ham as well?

[Dr Venkman]

Probably because Ba requested to play central, was given a chance and took it.

 

Can't see how anyone can be annoyed at him wanting to play in his favoured position if he is delivering the goods, this whilst the other striker is failing to score but obviously that is Ba's fault.

 

Personally I'm not annoyed at him, the situation is Pardews fault.

[madras]

i remember the same group of players playing much better with ba wide/cisse central than the other way round. it doesn't matter which one scores.

[Darth Crooks]

i remember the same group of players playing much better with ba wide/cisse central than the other way round. it doesn't matter which one scores.

 

Pretty much my sentiment madders

[Jack Flash]

Our great form last year was built almost entirely on a rock solid defence. That's what's missing from this season, not who plays where up front. Switching the 2 of them won't help the defence keep clean sheets nor will it add creativity or goals from the midfielders. It's a side issue and not our biggest problem at present.

[Darth Crooks]

I can't rememeer a rock solid defence in the last 10 years tbh

[Jack Flash]

We kept about 15 clean sheets which was second only to the champions I think.

 

Having such a solid base allowed us to nick a goal or 2 then see out the game which we're trying to do this year but can't because the defence is so poor.

[Cajun]

Last season Tiote was much better, Cabaye was actually playing so our defenders had some protection in front of them. Colo was also immense where as he has missed a fair few games and to be honest had some shockers, also Jonas energy played a massive part in stopping the opposition which he simply doesn't do any more.

 

Pardew built an effective yet fairly ugly game plan last season. He hasn't had the resources to recreate that this season. He has failed to implement a plan B but It's still a struggle to do so with the players at his disposal. Blaming our performances on us not playing a 4-3-3 with Ba out wide is far too simplistic and ignoring all the other problems we have.

[Dr Venkman]

Last season Tiote was much better, Cabaye was actually playing so our defenders had some protection in front of them. Colo was also immense where as he has missed a fair few games and to be honest had some shockers, also Jonas energy played a massive part in stopping the opposition which he simply doesn't do any more.

 

Pardew built an effective yet fairly ugly game plan last season. He hasn't had the resources to recreate that this season. He has failed to implement a plan B but It's still a struggle to do so with the players at his disposal. Blaming our performances on us not playing a 4-3-3 with Ba out wide is far too simplistic and ignoring all the other problems we have.

 

We started the season with everyone fit. We played a rigid 4-4-2 week after week and looked shocking the vast majority of the time. We got the results we deserved and the players lost confidence, then we got some injuries to compound that effect. We are where we are because of the way Pardew approached this season.

[littlelunchbox]

Last season Tiote was much better, Cabaye was actually playing so our defenders had some protection in front of them. Colo was also immense where as he has missed a fair few games and to be honest had some shockers, also Jonas energy played a massive part in stopping the opposition which he simply doesn't do any more.

 

Pardew built an effective yet fairly ugly game plan last season. He hasn't had the resources to recreate that this season. He has failed to implement a plan B but It's still a struggle to do so with the players at his disposal. Blaming our performances on us not playing a 4-3-3 with Ba out wide is far too simplistic and ignoring all the other problems we have.

 

We started the season with everyone fit. We played a rigid 4-4-2 week after week and looked shocking the vast majority of the time. We got the results we deserved and the players lost confidence, then we got some injuries to compound that effect. We are where we are because of the way Pardew approached this season.

 

[alexf]

Last season Tiote was much better, Cabaye was actually playing so our defenders had some protection in front of them. Colo was also immense where as he has missed a fair few games and to be honest had some shockers, also Jonas energy played a massive part in stopping the opposition which he simply doesn't do any more.

 

Pardew built an effective yet fairly ugly game plan last season. He hasn't had the resources to recreate that this season. He has failed to implement a plan B but It's still a struggle to do so with the players at his disposal. Blaming our performances on us not playing a 4-3-3 with Ba out wide is far too simplistic and ignoring all the other problems we have.

 

We started the season with everyone fit. We played a rigid 4-4-2 week after week and looked shocking the vast majority of the time. We got the results we deserved and the players lost confidence, then we got some injuries to compound that effect. We are where we are because of the way Pardew approached this season.

 

 

BOOM!

[Cajun]

Last season Tiote was much better, Cabaye was actually playing so our defenders had some protection in front of them. Colo was also immense where as he has missed a fair few games and to be honest had some shockers, also Jonas energy played a massive part in stopping the opposition which he simply doesn't do any more.

 

Pardew built an effective yet fairly ugly game plan last season. He hasn't had the resources to recreate that this season. He has failed to implement a plan B but It's still a struggle to do so with the players at his disposal. Blaming our performances on us not playing a 4-3-3 with Ba out wide is far too simplistic and ignoring all the other problems we have.

 

We started the season with everyone fit. We played a rigid 4-4-2 week after week and looked shocking the vast majority of the time. We got the results we deserved and the players lost confidence, then we got some injuries to compound that effect. We are where we are because of the way Pardew approached this season.

 

* First game we beat Spurs with Perch in for Colo.

* Lose to Chelsea and draw against Villa full strength

* Draw with Everton with Krul, Colo and Tiote missing Ba comes on second half scoring both our goals.

* Krul, Colo, Tiote missing as we beat Norwich 1-0 (Ba with the winner).

* Krul, Cabaye, Colo missing in a 2-2 draw with Reading (Ba scoring both).

* Krul and Colo missing in 3-0 defeat to Man U

* Tiote harshly sent off early in a 1-1 drawer with the mackems.

* Tiote missing in a 2-1 win over Wigan.

* Tiote missing in a 1-1 drawer with Liverpool.

 

How can you say we started the season with everyone fit? 2 of the first 10 games we had our full strength side out, a few of those we were missing 3 players who are guaranteed starters.

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

I don't see anything in that list that suggests we couldn't have attempted to start this season where we left off the last, by playing a bit of football. The negative approach and the poor performances are the one constant in a changing line up.