Guest firetotheworks Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 http://pbr11.photobucket.com/albums/a177/schwartzo/blakckid.gif?t=1241865776 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Go through any strikers season and they'll miss good chances, if I looked through Van Persie's then I'm sure he'll have squandered 5 good ones at least. Cisse's service has been hugely erratic and it's hardly inconceivable to suggest that perhaps he was snatching at opportunities because he was spending sizeable periods of the season getting absolutely nothing. Our manager's management of him pre-Christmas must have done nothing for his confidence either. I remember when Ba went, those who were in favour of getting him out were utterly convinced that Cisse would suddenly start banging them in again. Weren't you one of them? I'm pretty sure you were confidently stating as soon as Ba left that Cisse would be fine and you had no worries whatsoever. Complete opposite, I didn't want Ba to be sold at all and that was why. Not worried about Cisse at all. He'll score plenty of goals in this side. Fair enough, you didn't want Ba sold but you can't criticise anyone else for being confident that Cisse would start scoring again. I'm not criticising anyone but the player. I said I had faith in him scoring plenty and I was wrong, because he didn't. I still have faith in him, but it doesn't change the fact he had a poor season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Go through any strikers season and they'll miss good chances, if I looked through Van Persie's then I'm sure he'll have squandered 5 good ones at least. Cisse's service has been hugely erratic and it's hardly inconceivable to suggest that perhaps he was snatching at opportunities because he was spending sizeable periods of the season getting absolutely nothing. Our manager's management of him pre-Christmas must have done nothing for his confidence either. I remember when Ba went, those who were in favour of getting him out were utterly convinced that Cisse would suddenly start banging them in again. Weren't you one of them? I'm pretty sure you were confidently stating as soon as Ba left that Cisse would be fine and you had no worries whatsoever. Complete opposite, I didn't want Ba to be sold at all and that was why. Not worried about Cisse at all. He'll score plenty of goals in this side. Fair enough, you didn't want Ba sold but you can't criticise anyone else for being confident that Cisse would start scoring again. I'm not criticising anyone but the player. I said I had faith in him scoring plenty and I was wrong, because he didn't. I still have faith in him, but it doesn't change the fact he had a poor season. Fair enough. You're certainly right that he's had a poor season, I can't disagree with that. Some of it's down to Cisse and some of it's down to other factors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 He's had a poor season, yes. But it would be totally madness to sell him. I'd only sell him if the other option was going bankrupt - which it is not. In an ideal world, selling a member of the first team squad would involve an immediate replacement (and hopefully an improvement). However, everybody knows Ashley and co, they still haven't replaced Best and Lovenkrands, nevermind Demba Ba. You can say what you want.... but it is hurting to see Demba Ba not being used as a first team player at Chelsea, when you know how much he meant to Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 He's had a poor season, yes. But it would be totally madness to sell him. I'd only sell him if the other option was going bankrupt - which it is not. In an ideal world, selling a member of the first team squad would involve an immediate replacement (and hopefully an improvement). However, everybody knows Ashley and co, they still haven't replaced Best and Lovenkrands, nevermind Demba Ba. You can say what you want.... but it is hurting to see Demba Ba not being used as a first team player at Chelsea, when you know how much he meant to Newcastle. It's like reading what Ive been thinking for weeks. Nicely put, and well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Remy in the Best role in a 4-4-2 would work imo. Get a left-winger and I think it'd work. If Pardew is going to be here, stick with what he knows best, in a system he got us results with, and a significant upgrade in personnel (Ba apart). Swap R.Taylor, Simpson, Tiote, Jonas, Obertan, Best & Ba from that half season with Santon, Debuchy, Sissoko, new winger, Ben Arfa, Remy/Carroll/etc and Cisse. Could work and still play good football imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I don't want him sold. I don't know why people are saying that. However, if daft money is offered 20-25m, we'd be daft to say no. I think next season he'l get 15-20 goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Just overheard someone at work say "for £15m, I'd drive Cisse to Russia myself". This mass brainwashing staggers me. How can so many people be so wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Just overheard someone at work say "for £15m, I'd drive Cisse to Russia myself". This mass brainwashing staggers me. How can so many people be so wrong? Brainwashing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Fucking brainwashing again, man. It's everywhere. If someone has a different opinion, they're brainwashed. Nothing to do with Cisse having had a poor season. No, this person has been brainwashed to accept the club's transfer strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Cisse isnt the problem, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 You wha'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 This was my only point this season: Cisse was/has been rubbish all season. Like everyone you can blame Pardew/the team to an extent but he himself has had a shocker. Hasn't done his goalscoring and his build-up/hold-up play was poor. He's part of the problem but he can also be part of the answer. It's not everyone else's fault he only scored 8 league goals. Two more than wor Cabaye who had an indifferent season himself. People even try to blame referees for ruling his goals offside like that doesn't happen to every striker. Forgetting the S'hampton wonder goal was offside and another bounced off his arse without him looking- literally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Naughty boy, Cisse, go and sit in the corner and think about what you've done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Can see both sides of the Cisse argument tbh. Some don't want him sold because he's a quality striker. Damn right. However, it's unbearable watching the team struggle to play to his strengths, which therefore negates his quality. Ultimately, Cisse is being wasted due to our overall play. It would be much easier having someone more dynamic upfront. Ba was a more dynamic striker for example, and was able to make far more of our limited play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 But everyone stuggled this season, I don't think we can take it as permanent evidence that we'll never get the best out of Cisse. Everyone should be given a second chance after this shocker of a season IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Cisse struggled but the team isn't exactly set up to play to his strengths. He's not a target man ffs but Pardew has him isolated so badly that he ends up having to play like one. I don't remember many games where he was running onto decent whipped in crosses to either head or hit first time along the floor. When your play is set up so as not to lose I can't ever see someone like Cisse being used to their maximum potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 One thing I'm actually quite optimistic about is that Ashley must surely have asked Pardew what the hell happened to the form of his marquee striker signing - the only one he's spent decent money on. Pardew can obviously point to the chances he missed, but the fact is that we need to play differently to last season if we're to get the best form out of Cisse. Just like most of our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Imagine if we sold him, we'd have a good chance of not scoring until September Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Why? What happens in September?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Why? What happens in September?! Shola awakens! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Why? What happens in September?! Ben Arfa will have lost his summer off kite by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Why? What happens in September?! We may have bought a replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Cisse struggled but the team isn't exactly set up to play to his strengths. He's not a target man ffs but Pardew has him isolated so badly that he ends up having to play like one. I don't remember many games where he was running onto decent whipped in crosses to either head or hit first time along the floor. When your play is set up so as not to lose I can't ever see someone like Cisse being used to their maximum potential. What are these strengths? How does he help the team play that style? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Cisse struggled but the team isn't exactly set up to play to his strengths. He's not a target man ffs but Pardew has him isolated so badly that he ends up having to play like one. I don't remember many games where he was running onto decent whipped in crosses to either head or hit first time along the floor. When your play is set up so as not to lose I can't ever see someone like Cisse being used to their maximum potential. What are these strengths? How does he help the team play that style? Sure he missed a lot of chances this season and was poor by his standards but as far as I could tell he played a lot of the time with his back to goal as a target man which isn't his strength. We don't have many players who get behind a defence or beat a full back to put crosses in. And Pardew doesn't set us up offensively so our general play is negative and we don't create a lot of chances as a result. Cisse's strength is thriving on crosses and hitting them first time. He scored a fair few goals like that in is first season here and as a result his all round play was more confident. That's just how I see it. To be honest this season has completely sucked the life out of me so in reality if its more of the same next season ill probably save my pennies rather than go to the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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