NG32 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 What has McClean said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy the Irish Magpie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 What has McClean said? Nothing but actions speak louder than words and his refusal to wear a poppy is just disrespectful and a typical cunts move by typical cunt of a person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Im still none the wiser? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Im still none the wiser? Secterian/Ireland/Northern Ireland/IRA.....dont ask basically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 ok fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 My take on McClean not wearing a poppy and the freedom to make his choice argument: men and women didn't give up their lives in order to let him act like such a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Something really tiresome about poppy fascism; if you want to wear it then do so, if not then don't, defeats the point if people start wearing them cos they think they have to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Something really tiresome about poppy fascism; if you want to wear it then do so, if not then don't, defeats the point if people start wearing them cos they think they have to. I agree entirely that people should be free to not wear a poppy if they don't want to. After all if they were forced to wear one, we would have a much harder time identifying the sectarian, bigoted retards in our midst. With that in mind, I support McClean 100% in his decision to abstain from it. The cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 If people chose not to wear a poppy that is indeed their own choice. However, McClean's reasons for me show what a piece of scum he is. I normally can't stand Colin Murray but he's just summed it up perfectly at the end of MOTD. "On a weekend that almost every footballer wore the poppy to remember those who died in battle rather than being able to experience their lives in the way the vast majority of us have been able to." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Has McClean actually came out and given a reason, or are we purely speculating because he's a twat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think the main issue here is the fact that everyone does wear it, which makes not wearing one more of a political statement than freedom of choice. If it wasn't political it wouldn't have mattered for him to wear a shirt with it on even if he didn't care much for the reasoning. It's comparable to Ferdinand not wearing a Kick it Out shirt when everyone else did. It's freedom of choice, but it's still a statement as it's a larger effort to not wear it than to wear it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think the main issue here is the fact that everyone does wear it, which makes not wearing one more of a political statement than freedom of choice. If it wasn't political it wouldn't have mattered for him to wear a shirt with it on even if he didn't care much for the reasoning. It's comparable to Ferdinand not wearing a Kick it Out shirt when everyone else did. It's freedom of choice, but it's still a statement as it's a larger effort to not wear it than to wear it. Yep, exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I didn't see any Argentinian players not wear it btw. For me it is equivalent to shouting bollocks during the minutes silence today, its disrespecting the dead. James McClean is a weird sectarian fuck who has been wrapped up in the loyalist/republican shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Aye what Kaiz said, he's just and ugly little charver at the end of the day (oblong heed, not Kaiz). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 It may sound canny drastic like but Sunderland really shouldn't have played him, it's a PR disaster for the thick fucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Republicans in Ireland generally see the poppy as a symbol of the British Army, and that wearing one is remembering and supporting the British who have died in war, not just the two world wars. A lot of Republicans here refuse to wear it because of the actions of the British Army in Ireland over the past couple of centuries, no more so than the recent half century. McClean, being from Derry, probably grew up surrounded by people expressing this view point, especially given the events of bloody Sunday in his home city. There is also the matter of the division between loyalism and republicanism and the obvious effect this subject would have on that divide. I don't agree with the ignorance of Republicans here when it comes to their viewpoints at this time of year, but at the same time I know what their reasoning is behind it and don't play dumb asking why they're refusing to wear a poppy. McClean refusing to wear one is just daft given that he is living in Britain now and earning a fortune courtesy of an English club and English people paying in to that club. Also I seriously doubt McClean has any idea of the politics behind the Irish Republican stance on this matter. It's wrong, I don't agree with it, but there you go, that's where he's coming from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Republicans in Ireland generally see the poppy as a symbol of the British Army, and that wearing one is remembering and supporting the British who have died in war, not just the two world wars. A lot of Republicans here refuse to wear it because of the actions of the British Army in Ireland over the past couple of centuries, no more so than the recent half century. McClean, being from Derry, probably grew up surrounded by people expressing this view point, especially given the events of bloody Sunday in his home city. There is also the matter of the division between loyalism and republicanism and the obvious effect this subject would have on that divide. I don't agree with the ignorance of Republicans here when it comes to their viewpoints at this time of year, but at the same time I know what their reasoning is behind it and don't play dumb asking why they're refusing to wear a poppy. McClean refusing to wear one is just daft given that he is living in Britain now and earning a fortune courtesy of an English club and English people paying in to that club. Also I seriously doubt McClean has any idea of the politics behind the Irish Republican stance on this matter. It's wrong, I don't agree with it, but there you go, that's where he's coming from. If you're from Derry, you pretty much have the politics behind it engrained in you. He'll know of the politics behind it. But I do agree that the refusal to wear it falls pretty hollow when you're being paid by an English club, and living here. And if Argentinian players can bring themselves to wear it, as has been said, then let's be honest you should probably grow up and leave the sectarianism out of it. The actions of the British Army in Ireland were truly appalling, but they were faced with similar. It was a war, it's in the past. I'm Northern Irish as well, coincidentally, and don't have a "side". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I don't fully understand it all like, but hasn't he completely fucked off his home town (and country) anyway ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I don't fully understand it all like, but hasn't he completely fucked off his home town (and country) anyway ? Has he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 As I said I don't really know the full politics of it and how it works, but he switched allegiances to Ireland and said some daft stuff about the Northern Irish on twitter didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 McLean is a horrible bitter bastard and an IRA sympathiser still living in the past. His views come out of hatred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Checked out RTG, even Sunderland fans find him despicable now apparently. Says it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 As I said I don't really know the full politics of it and how it works, but he switched allegiances to Ireland and said some daft stuff about the Northern Irish on twitter didn't he? He said no catholic should ever want to play for Northern Ireland, forgetting that his own manager was the first ever catholic to captain us. Braindead moron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 As I said I don't really know the full politics of it and how it works, but he switched allegiances to Ireland and said some daft stuff about the Northern Irish on twitter didn't he? Quite a lot of people from Derry consider themselves to be from the Republic of Ireland, rather than Northern Ireland anyway. That said, the stuff he's said on Twitter is utterly ridiculous. It's such a tedious, outdated and utterly pathetic worldview at the end of the day. On a side note, a tarantula-esque spider just ran across my floor and scared the shit out of me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penn Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 My take on McClean not wearing a poppy and the freedom to make his choice argument: men and women didn't give up their lives in order to let him act like such a c***. Erm, that's exactly what they did you clown. If you want to live in a country where the populace are compelled to wear and deify certain symbols, please go ahead and emigrate to an authoritarian state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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