Guest bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Something i've never got. Why do fans do the "its not his team thing". I get it when a manager first takes over, but nearly 100% of the time a new manager doesn't go and buy 11 new players. A new manager always keeps the majority of the squad he inherits. Its just a line to justify doing poorly, especially after this amount of time and transfer windows in Artie Tramp's tenure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Argentines wearing poppied shirts make potato pizza face Maclayun look an even bigger anti Brit , sectarian cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Tbf to Artie he was wearing a poppy on his jacket apparently, so fair play to him. But Mr potato head...well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy the Irish Magpie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think McClean forgot the 210,000 Irishmen who also fought in the war, 35,000 of whom never came home. Then in ww2 over 100,000 from both sides of the border fought bravely, 7,500 never saw their family again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think McClean forgot the 210,000 Irishmen who also fought in the war, 35,000 of whom never came home. Then in ww2 over 100,000 from both sides of the border fought bravely, 7,500 never saw their family again. More likely to be too ignorant to even know of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 What has McClean said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy the Irish Magpie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 What has McClean said? Nothing but actions speak louder than words and his refusal to wear a poppy is just disrespectful and a typical cunts move by typical cunt of a person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Im still none the wiser? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Im still none the wiser? Secterian/Ireland/Northern Ireland/IRA.....dont ask basically Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 ok fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 My take on McClean not wearing a poppy and the freedom to make his choice argument: men and women didn't give up their lives in order to let him act like such a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Something really tiresome about poppy fascism; if you want to wear it then do so, if not then don't, defeats the point if people start wearing them cos they think they have to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Something really tiresome about poppy fascism; if you want to wear it then do so, if not then don't, defeats the point if people start wearing them cos they think they have to. I agree entirely that people should be free to not wear a poppy if they don't want to. After all if they were forced to wear one, we would have a much harder time identifying the sectarian, bigoted retards in our midst. With that in mind, I support McClean 100% in his decision to abstain from it. The cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 If people chose not to wear a poppy that is indeed their own choice. However, McClean's reasons for me show what a piece of scum he is. I normally can't stand Colin Murray but he's just summed it up perfectly at the end of MOTD. "On a weekend that almost every footballer wore the poppy to remember those who died in battle rather than being able to experience their lives in the way the vast majority of us have been able to." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Has McClean actually came out and given a reason, or are we purely speculating because he's a twat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I think the main issue here is the fact that everyone does wear it, which makes not wearing one more of a political statement than freedom of choice. If it wasn't political it wouldn't have mattered for him to wear a shirt with it on even if he didn't care much for the reasoning. It's comparable to Ferdinand not wearing a Kick it Out shirt when everyone else did. It's freedom of choice, but it's still a statement as it's a larger effort to not wear it than to wear it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think the main issue here is the fact that everyone does wear it, which makes not wearing one more of a political statement than freedom of choice. If it wasn't political it wouldn't have mattered for him to wear a shirt with it on even if he didn't care much for the reasoning. It's comparable to Ferdinand not wearing a Kick it Out shirt when everyone else did. It's freedom of choice, but it's still a statement as it's a larger effort to not wear it than to wear it. Yep, exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I didn't see any Argentinian players not wear it btw. For me it is equivalent to shouting bollocks during the minutes silence today, its disrespecting the dead. James McClean is a weird sectarian fuck who has been wrapped up in the loyalist/republican shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Aye what Kaiz said, he's just and ugly little charver at the end of the day (oblong heed, not Kaiz). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 It may sound canny drastic like but Sunderland really shouldn't have played him, it's a PR disaster for the thick fucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Republicans in Ireland generally see the poppy as a symbol of the British Army, and that wearing one is remembering and supporting the British who have died in war, not just the two world wars. A lot of Republicans here refuse to wear it because of the actions of the British Army in Ireland over the past couple of centuries, no more so than the recent half century. McClean, being from Derry, probably grew up surrounded by people expressing this view point, especially given the events of bloody Sunday in his home city. There is also the matter of the division between loyalism and republicanism and the obvious effect this subject would have on that divide. I don't agree with the ignorance of Republicans here when it comes to their viewpoints at this time of year, but at the same time I know what their reasoning is behind it and don't play dumb asking why they're refusing to wear a poppy. McClean refusing to wear one is just daft given that he is living in Britain now and earning a fortune courtesy of an English club and English people paying in to that club. Also I seriously doubt McClean has any idea of the politics behind the Irish Republican stance on this matter. It's wrong, I don't agree with it, but there you go, that's where he's coming from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Republicans in Ireland generally see the poppy as a symbol of the British Army, and that wearing one is remembering and supporting the British who have died in war, not just the two world wars. A lot of Republicans here refuse to wear it because of the actions of the British Army in Ireland over the past couple of centuries, no more so than the recent half century. McClean, being from Derry, probably grew up surrounded by people expressing this view point, especially given the events of bloody Sunday in his home city. There is also the matter of the division between loyalism and republicanism and the obvious effect this subject would have on that divide. I don't agree with the ignorance of Republicans here when it comes to their viewpoints at this time of year, but at the same time I know what their reasoning is behind it and don't play dumb asking why they're refusing to wear a poppy. McClean refusing to wear one is just daft given that he is living in Britain now and earning a fortune courtesy of an English club and English people paying in to that club. Also I seriously doubt McClean has any idea of the politics behind the Irish Republican stance on this matter. It's wrong, I don't agree with it, but there you go, that's where he's coming from. If you're from Derry, you pretty much have the politics behind it engrained in you. He'll know of the politics behind it. But I do agree that the refusal to wear it falls pretty hollow when you're being paid by an English club, and living here. And if Argentinian players can bring themselves to wear it, as has been said, then let's be honest you should probably grow up and leave the sectarianism out of it. The actions of the British Army in Ireland were truly appalling, but they were faced with similar. It was a war, it's in the past. I'm Northern Irish as well, coincidentally, and don't have a "side". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I don't fully understand it all like, but hasn't he completely fucked off his home town (and country) anyway ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I don't fully understand it all like, but hasn't he completely fucked off his home town (and country) anyway ? Has he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 As I said I don't really know the full politics of it and how it works, but he switched allegiances to Ireland and said some daft stuff about the Northern Irish on twitter didn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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