sunderland

[Cajun]

If they just wanted to take the pressure off the players they could have Jimmy Saville a posthumous position of club ambassador or something.

[Si]

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/2568/breaking-news-durham-miners-demand-return-of-historic-banner-from-sunderland-afc

Breaking news: Durham miners demand return of historic banner from Sunderland AFC

 

posted by: Nick Lowles | on: Monday, 1 April 2013, 20:38

 

In a statement just issued, the Durham Miners' Association has said:

 

"Dave Hopper the General Secretary of the Durham Miners' Association is writing to Sunderland Football Club to demand the return of the Wearmouth Miners' Banner, which is on permanent display in the Stadium of Light, in protest at the decision to appoint the self-confessed fascist, Paolo Di Canio, as their head coach.

 

Mr Hopper, who worked for 27 years as a miner at Wearmouth Colliery, the site on which the Stadium of Light now stands, described Di Canio's appointment as an outrage and a betrayal of all those who fought and died fighting fascism.

 

He said,"I like many thousands of miners have supported Sunderland from infancy and are passionate about football. But, there are principles which are much more important.

 

"Our banner represents the Durham miners' long struggle for the rights of the working class, rights which were annihilated by fascism in Germany, Italy, Spain and Chile.

 

"We have a sacred obligation to the millions who were wiped out by Hitler, Mussolini and Franco to oppose fascism wherever and in whatever context this evil creed raises its head particularly at a time when working people are again being forced to pay for capitalism's crisis as they were in Europe in the 1920s and 30s.

 

"The appointment of Di Canio is a disgrace and a betrayal of all who fought and died in the fight against fascism.

 

"Everyone must speak out an oppose this outrage and call on Ellis Short and the Sunderland Board to reverse their decision."

 

Hope not hate is proud to support the DMA's efforts to secure the return of the Monkwearmouth Colliery NUM Lodge banner and its protest at the appointment of Di Canio.

 

For more information on the Durham Miners' Association, please see:

 

http://durhamminers.org/index.html

 

 

bet they didnt expect this

 

No one expects The Durham Mining Association.

[JB]

ujpest doza: You can discriminate against the Irish, Catholics and the disabled but for gods sake don't bring politics into football.

??????

 

It doesn't matter whether he's pink, green, fascist, communist, Mormon, Taliban or Fenian, all that matters is he makes a right hash of managing them and gets them relegated.

 

I honestly couldn't give a monkeys if Di Canio's a fascist, a nazi, a tory or a f***ing moomin. That's his business. As long as he takes them clowns down he can do whatever else he likes.

 

I personally find this amazing.. You really dont care about openly fascist views being given a platform by a high profile manager within the PL?

You really dont care that an openly racist viewpoint  will potentially now be given some credence and time?

 

Have we sunk so far, become so de-politacized as a society that a "blind eye" can be turned to these vile, pernicious and abhorent views?

 

I know its sport, and for many the two shouldnt mix.

 

I disagree, I remember the same arguements around sport and the openly racist South Africa during the apartheid years. The apeasers and apologists making the same noises...

 

Its a sad day for sport that this man is allowed anywhere near our national game. Yes its the mackems, but some things are actually more important than football,,this is one of em.

 

He isnt a misguided young un, one of the skin heads selling the bulldog ouside SJP from the 70s and 80s that we had to contend with.

 

A youngster feeling marginalised by society, easy prey for the base arguements of "3 million blacks, 3 million on the dole"et al.... Hes a certified, self confessed ideological fascist and by that ideological link a racist, anti semite, anti trade unionist, anti sexual freedom... it wasnt just the heat of the moment rash fascist salute in 2005/6..This guys a committed racist.

 

Lets laugh at the Mackems eh? I wonder if any of their Jewish, Bangaladeshi, Indian, Pakistani or other ethnic minority supporters are laughing.

I wonder if any of the elderly population, who fought against fascism in the 30s and 40s are laughing?

 

We should actually be uniting with any of their support who are rightly disgusted at this appointment by showing some solidarity with them.

 

I see there was actually an Anti Fascist Action event on in Wearside this weekend...ironic.

 

 

Take a chill pill man FFS.

 

It doesn't matter whether he's pink, green, fascist, communist, Mormon, Taliban or Fenian, all that matters is he makes a right hash of managing them and gets them relegated.

 

Aye it does though.

No it doesn't. What he says and thinks about the world are irrelavent man. He's manager of the mackems FFS, that's the only reason you need to either hate or laugh at him. The rest doesn't matter.

So you would be happy for him to be our manager? If it doesn't matter what his views are

i wouldn't be too chuffed about him being our manager but that's because his only managerial experience is a short stint in League 2 and League 1 where he fell out with nearly every player who played for him. His political views are irrelavent just as i think Glenn Hoddle should never have been sacked as England manager for his religous views.

 

Glenn didn't have religious views he had moronic  views.

 

Didn't he say that disabilities were punishment for actions in a past life?

I still don't get what you're going on about.

I've got zero interest in politics and don't get why people are getting uptight about someone who has rather than focusing on the football which is the most important thing.

 

I'm mostly annoyed by your use of the word fenian.

Bizarre.

 

Are you not aware of its meaning?! It's a derogatory word for catholic/Irish people.

FFS, why is everyone so fucking precious?

 

FFS You belong on RTG with phrases and views like that.

[Wilson]

ujpest doza: You can discriminate against the Irish, Catholics and the disabled but for gods sake don't bring politics into football.

??????

 

It doesn't matter whether he's pink, green, fascist, communist, Mormon, Taliban or Fenian, all that matters is he makes a right hash of managing them and gets them relegated.

 

I honestly couldn't give a monkeys if Di Canio's a fascist, a nazi, a tory or a f***ing moomin. That's his business. As long as he takes them clowns down he can do whatever else he likes.

 

I personally find this amazing.. You really dont care about openly fascist views being given a platform by a high profile manager within the PL?

You really dont care that an openly racist viewpoint  will potentially now be given some credence and time?

 

Have we sunk so far, become so de-politacized as a society that a "blind eye" can be turned to these vile, pernicious and abhorent views?

 

I know its sport, and for many the two shouldnt mix.

 

I disagree, I remember the same arguements around sport and the openly racist South Africa during the apartheid years. The apeasers and apologists making the same noises...

 

Its a sad day for sport that this man is allowed anywhere near our national game. Yes its the mackems, but some things are actually more important than football,,this is one of em.

 

He isnt a misguided young un, one of the skin heads selling the bulldog ouside SJP from the 70s and 80s that we had to contend with.

 

A youngster feeling marginalised by society, easy prey for the base arguements of "3 million blacks, 3 million on the dole"et al.... Hes a certified, self confessed ideological fascist and by that ideological link a racist, anti semite, anti trade unionist, anti sexual freedom... it wasnt just the heat of the moment rash fascist salute in 2005/6..This guys a committed racist.

 

Lets laugh at the Mackems eh? I wonder if any of their Jewish, Bangaladeshi, Indian, Pakistani or other ethnic minority supporters are laughing.

I wonder if any of the elderly population, who fought against fascism in the 30s and 40s are laughing?

 

We should actually be uniting with any of their support who are rightly disgusted at this appointment by showing some solidarity with them.

 

I see there was actually an Anti Fascist Action event on in Wearside this weekend...ironic.

 

 

Take a chill pill man FFS.

 

It doesn't matter whether he's pink, green, fascist, communist, Mormon, Taliban or Fenian, all that matters is he makes a right hash of managing them and gets them relegated.

 

Aye it does though.

No it doesn't. What he says and thinks about the world are irrelavent man. He's manager of the mackems FFS, that's the only reason you need to either hate or laugh at him. The rest doesn't matter.

So you would be happy for him to be our manager? If it doesn't matter what his views are

i wouldn't be too chuffed about him being our manager but that's because his only managerial experience is a short stint in League 2 and League 1 where he fell out with nearly every player who played for him. His political views are irrelavent just as i think Glenn Hoddle should never have been sacked as England manager for his religous views.

 

Glenn didn't have religious views he had moronic  views.

 

Didn't he say that disabilities were punishment for actions in a past life?

I still don't get what you're going on about.

I've got zero interest in politics and don't get why people are getting uptight about someone who has rather than focusing on the football which is the most important thing.

 

I'm mostly annoyed by your use of the word fenian.

Bizarre.

 

Are you not aware of its meaning?! It's a derogatory word for catholic/Irish people.

FFS, why is everyone so f***ing precious?

 

FFS You belong on RTG with phrases and views like that.

 

mag!!

[bhoywhonder]

"Dave Hopper the General Secretary of the Durham Miners' Association is writing to Sunderland Football Club to demand the return of the Wearmouth Miners' Banner,

 

So they wanted to sign Hulk, but they can't even keep David's Banner??

 

 

 

 

[Decky]

I think he was using the word fenian more in reference to Irish republican paramilitaries, rather than Irish Catholics in general. I didn't find what he said offensive myself but can see why some people would.

[Si]

"Dave Hopper the General Secretary of the Durham Miners' Association is writing to Sunderland Football Club to demand the return of the Wearmouth Miners' Banner,

 

So they wanted to sign Hulk, but they can't even keep David's Banner??

 

 

 

 

 

[Wilson]

"Dave Hopper the General Secretary of the Durham Miners' Association is writing to Sunderland Football Club to demand the return of the Wearmouth Miners' Banner,

 

So they wanted to sign Hulk, but they can't even keep David's Banner??

 

 

 

 

 

They fucked Hulk off as they're planning a sneaky bid for Pedro, while us deluded Mags think we're gona sign Debuch.....oh...wait..hmmm

[BlueStar]

Only on the internet could "I don't like fascists" be seen as a controversial statement

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

"Dave Hopper the General Secretary of the Durham Miners' Association is writing to Sunderland Football Club to demand the return of the Wearmouth Miners' Banner,

 

So they wanted to sign Hulk, but they can't even keep David's Banner??

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, very good! 

[Dr Venkman]

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/2568/breaking-news-durham-miners-demand-return-of-historic-banner-from-sunderland-afc

Breaking news: Durham miners demand return of historic banner from Sunderland AFC

 

posted by: Nick Lowles | on: Monday, 1 April 2013, 20:38

 

In a statement just issued, the Durham Miners' Association has said:

 

"Dave Hopper the General Secretary of the Durham Miners' Association is writing to Sunderland Football Club to demand the return of the Wearmouth Miners' Banner, which is on permanent display in the Stadium of Light, in protest at the decision to appoint the self-confessed fascist, Paolo Di Canio, as their head coach.

 

Mr Hopper, who worked for 27 years as a miner at Wearmouth Colliery, the site on which the Stadium of Light now stands, described Di Canio's appointment as an outrage and a betrayal of all those who fought and died fighting fascism.

 

He said,"I like many thousands of miners have supported Sunderland from infancy and are passionate about football. But, there are principles which are much more important.

 

"Our banner represents the Durham miners' long struggle for the rights of the working class, rights which were annihilated by fascism in Germany, Italy, Spain and Chile.

 

"We have a sacred obligation to the millions who were wiped out by Hitler, Mussolini and Franco to oppose fascism wherever and in whatever context this evil creed raises its head particularly at a time when working people are again being forced to pay for capitalism's crisis as they were in Europe in the 1920s and 30s.

 

"The appointment of Di Canio is a disgrace and a betrayal of all who fought and died in the fight against fascism.

 

"Everyone must speak out an oppose this outrage and call on Ellis Short and the Sunderland Board to reverse their decision."

 

Hope not hate is proud to support the DMA's efforts to secure the return of the Monkwearmouth Colliery NUM Lodge banner and its protest at the appointment of Di Canio.

 

For more information on the Durham Miners' Association, please see:

 

http://durhamminers.org/index.html

 

 

bet they didnt expect this

 

No one expects The Durham Mining Association.

 

[Klaus]

Just give the bairn his flag back before he starts crying.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017#ixzz2PFNXg7RQ

 

:facepalm: Some people on that forum man

[S.S.R.]

"Dave Hopper the General Secretary of the Durham Miners' Association is writing to Sunderland Football Club to demand the return of the Wearmouth Miners' Banner,

 

So they wanted to sign Hulk, but they can't even keep David's Banner??

 

 

 

 

 

Awesome

[Unbelievable]

I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal.

 

Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty.

 

I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money.

 

I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't.

 

I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs.

 

Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids?

 

Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly?

 

Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager.

 

However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists.

 

Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent.

 

There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini.

 

You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was.

 

Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved.

 

 

Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc

 

Decency still exists on the SMB.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

since when did the people of sunderland become so vehemently anti-Labour, btw?

[Sima]

@Capt_Fishpaste: @RichHerrmann Fair enough. Personally, I mostly agree with PDC on Mussolini. Decent man who lost his way and did vile things to keep power.

 

Fuck me.

[Sima]

since when did the people of sunderland become so vehemently anti-Labour, btw?

 

Jawdee mafia, marra.

[Nobody]

I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal.

 

Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty.

 

I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money.

 

I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't.

 

I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs.

 

Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids?

 

Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly?

 

Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager.

 

However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists.

 

Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent.

 

There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini.

 

You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was.

 

Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved.

 

 

Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc

 

Decency still exists on the SMB.

That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there.

[Cajun]

@Capt_Fishpaste: @RichHerrmann Fair enough. Personally, I mostly agree with PDC on Mussolini. Decent man who lost his way and did vile things to keep power.

 

Fuck me.

 

Harold Shipman, good bloke just lost his way a bit as a doctor #ftm

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

since when did the people of sunderland become so vehemently anti-Labour, btw?

 

Jawdee mafia, marra.

 

 

comments such as Milliband being a "Labour wanker" and the Durham Miner's Gala being a "Labour wankfest".

 

I must have missed the day Cameron, Clegg and Gideon stood in the Commons and pledged millions of pounds to the redevelopment of sunderland.

[Chrisjraby]

Looking forward to the "fuck off" or "mag" replies

[nufc4eva]

Not really the type of publicity they want in relegation battle I would think, can't wait to see what reception the cunt will get at our place.

 

I hope it destroys that club

[Wilson]

 

That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there.

 

Aye, some of the responses he gets as well ....

 

Basically your standard 'fuck off' but put like 'terminate your card and dont come back'

 

fucking idiots on there

[BlueStar]

Don't want it back thanks. Let them keep it and allow it to decay.

 

So you're putting Di Canio ahead of the Durham Miners' Association?

 

Fuck me lengthways. What the fuck has happened to you lot? It's like you've all caught scouse.

 

[David Icke - Son of God]

@Capt_Fishpaste: @RichHerrmann Fair enough. Personally, I mostly agree with PDC on Mussolini. Decent man who lost his way and did vile things to keep power.

 

Fuck me.

 

Wasn't Fishpaste the nutter who penned that lengthy article before the last derby about how they would always been classier than us?