Wallsendmag Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not denying that he shows for the ball, he clearly does that. But he doesn't do anything noteworthy with the ball when he gets it other than give short simple passes. He doesn't dribble to create good passing angles, he doesn't/ isn't able to hold onto the ball when pressured, he offers f*** all protection and he never 'bosses the midfield'. He bottled a tackle on Wednesday in the build up to Sheffield Wednesday's goal. You're all over the place here, as are most people when it comes to Anita imo. A lot of the things he does atm he's clearly being asked to do. Again just think back to games under Pardew, he played much higher up and often got in and about the opposition penalty area. He's being told not to do that now, it's as plain as day. As for doing nothing with the ball he's rarely got any decent options for a forward pass and I'm guessing he's also bring told not to play it long. Lurching into criticisms of him not being physically imposing or whatever when we're discussing how he uses the ball and is literally the only player we have who does it is just pointless imo. He's a limited midfielder and we need to upgrade, but he's good at doing what he's being asked to do. The main problem is the overall system isn't working so he's being scapegoated by some for that when he's actually probably the only one doing what he's being asked I don't know what he's being asked to do but whatever it is he ain't very good at it btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The excuses made on behalf of this guy are astonishing. - Only doing what he's been asked to do. - No one showing for the ball ahead of him. - Doesn't matter that he's a weakling because he can make a 2 yard pass. - Would look so much better without Colback next to him. Honestly, If what you are doing isn't working, why doesn't he have the stones to think 'I'll try something different'. It's such a weak and useless excuse to keep blaming others for one's consistent failings and poor performances. None of what you say answers why he doesn't bring the ball forward with purpose, why he doesn't create clear cut chances for others, why he doesn't protect his defence. 'It's not his job' doesn't wash. That's like saying it's not Williamson's job to pass it out from the back. It fucking should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Anita's about the only one in our team who shows for the ball at all FFS. Exactly Maddening people can't see this. I've also never seen him bottle a tackle, when did this start? I saw him at 5ft 5 put that giant sheff Wed defender on his arse. Never seen him bottle anything despite his size. For bottling see Wijnaldum, sissoko n Jack Passback Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 The excuses made on behalf of this guy are astonishing. - Only doing what he's been asked to do. - No one showing for the ball ahead of him. - Doesn't matter that he's a weakling because he can make a 2 yard pass. - Would look so much better without Colback next to him. Honestly, If what you are doing isn't working, why doesn't he have the stones to think 'I'll try something different'. It's such a weak and useless excuse to keep blaming others for one's consistent failings and poor performances. None of what you say answers why he doesn't bring the ball forward with purpose, why he doesn't create clear cut chances for others, why he doesn't protect his defence. 'It's not his job' doesn't wash. That's like saying it's not Williamson's job to pass it out from the back. It fucking should be. Not sure who is saying all of the things you've listed like but to address the stupid fucking point about his physicality again nobody is really making excuses, he just doesn't have the physical attributes to boss a midfield so what's the point in either asking him to or expecting him to? Should we have blamed Adam Armstrong for not getting on the end of 60 yard Willoballs last season? Of course not, he's tiny and he can't do it. It's the same principle. Anyway he's not very good, we all seem to be able to agree on this very general point : Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Not sure that Vurn's 'height/physicality' is an issue really. Think Dennis Wise, love him or hate him...nah, actaully forget the first bit... please just hate him (incidentally great regret in life is that I didn't catch Wise when I invaded the pitch after he chased Mirandinha--Mira had just tried to kick Dave Beasant at the final whistle, in a cup game I think [those were the days...]) or a more palatable example, David MacCreery; neither were 'big' but both could 'boss'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Mccreery was 10 times the player of Anita too. He knew how to play that holding roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Great ball in to Perez for the goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Great ball in to Perez for the goal Doesn't do anything though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Having a good game today, is really up fr it. Plaudits when they are due!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I like to think he read my post yesterday and tried to prove me wrong on all of the points I criticised him for. Because Anita yesterday actually played well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 But he only sits between the CBs playing sideways. #TCD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 good player but we need to upgrade - both anita and colback are ok squad players. Think a quality DCM could improve us much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Looks like he was asked to try and be more expansive with his passing. Good pass for the assist. An uncharacteristic forward ball into an attacker. As a result he lost the ball way more than he usually does but he was effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 But he only sits between the CBs playing sideways. #TCD he wasn't asked to do that and thank fuck. That role was giving us nothing. The fullback playing it straight up to Mitrovic is a much better tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Looks like he was asked to try and be more expansive with his passing. Good pass for the assist. An uncharacteristic forward ball into an attacker. As a result he lost the ball way more than he usually does but he was effective. Available outball to play up to made such a difference for the midfielders, we couldn't really knock it long or over when Cisse was there as he has no pace or strength. We still used a variation of that splitting tactic, mind, Anita just went over as fullback when Janmaat pushed up, instead of directly splitting. I wouldn't give up on that tactic, tbh, I think player confidence was really getting in the way of our possession build up but mixing it up with more direct play should really relieve the pressure on our other attackers more. It's something we should use to mix it up and should be re-integrated slowly over the next couple of matches, as long as we've got a more capable CM on the ball to come and link play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Looks like he was asked to try and be more expansive with his passing. Good pass for the assist. An uncharacteristic forward ball into an attacker. As a result he lost the ball way more than he usually does but he was effective. Available outball to play up to made such a difference for the midfielders, we couldn't really knock it long or over when Cisse was there as he has no pace or strength. We still used a variation of that splitting tactic, mind, Anita just went over as fullback when Janmaat pushed up, instead of directly splitting. I wouldn't give up on that tactic, tbh, I think player confidence was really getting in the way of our possession build up but mixing it up with more direct play should really relieve the pressure on our other attackers more. It's something we should use to mix it up and should be re-integrated slowly over the next couple of matches, as long as we've got a more capable CM on the ball to come and link play. I would disagree that it was down to an available outball in the case of Anita. Anita only completed 60% of his passes which indicates a lot of those balls weren't on. We went more direct in every sense. Anita carried the ball further then he has this season. Wasn't content to "make things tick" by passing it to defenders, he tried to get it to midfielders and attackers. Definitely told to be more direct with his passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Looks like he was asked to try and be more expansive with his passing. Good pass for the assist. An uncharacteristic forward ball into an attacker. As a result he lost the ball way more than he usually does but he was effective. Available outball to play up to made such a difference for the midfielders, we couldn't really knock it long or over when Cisse was there as he has no pace or strength. We still used a variation of that splitting tactic, mind, Anita just went over as fullback when Janmaat pushed up, instead of directly splitting. I wouldn't give up on that tactic, tbh, I think player confidence was really getting in the way of our possession build up but mixing it up with more direct play should really relieve the pressure on our other attackers more. It's something we should use to mix it up and should be re-integrated slowly over the next couple of matches, as long as we've got a more capable CM on the ball to come and link play. I would disagree that it was down to an available outball in the case of Anita. Anita only completed 60% of his passes which indicates a lot of those balls weren't on. We went more direct in every sense. Anita carried the ball further then he has this season. Wasn't content to "make things tick" by passing it to defenders, he tried to get it to midfielders and attackers. Definitely told to be more direct with his passing. Should've clarified, I didn't mean that Mitrovic was always free, just that he was someone the players felt comfortable hitting the ball up to in most circumstances. We've not had that with Cisse - they had a safer pass forward on Saturday whereas before the only safe pass has been sideways. I'd be interested to see his passing stats for the first 45 compared to the second, mind. Of course they'll have been told to go more direct than previous games, they knew the ball would've come straight back if we knocked it up to Cisse. He wouldn't have even really competed for the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Looks like he was asked to try and be more expansive with his passing. Good pass for the assist. An uncharacteristic forward ball into an attacker. As a result he lost the ball way more than he usually does but he was effective. Available outball to play up to made such a difference for the midfielders, we couldn't really knock it long or over when Cisse was there as he has no pace or strength. We still used a variation of that splitting tactic, mind, Anita just went over as fullback when Janmaat pushed up, instead of directly splitting. I wouldn't give up on that tactic, tbh, I think player confidence was really getting in the way of our possession build up but mixing it up with more direct play should really relieve the pressure on our other attackers more. It's something we should use to mix it up and should be re-integrated slowly over the next couple of matches, as long as we've got a more capable CM on the ball to come and link play. I would disagree that it was down to an available outball in the case of Anita. Anita only completed 60% of his passes which indicates a lot of those balls weren't on. We went more direct in every sense. Anita carried the ball further then he has this season. Wasn't content to "make things tick" by passing it to defenders, he tried to get it to midfielders and attackers. Definitely told to be more direct with his passing. I like the way you're sure he was told to go more direct but still say he wasn't content to 'make things tick' thus implying he uniliterally chose to play a certain way before this. He's clearly a pretty aware and intelligent footballer and imo has been following instructions to the letter the entire time, so don't credit the coaching team with a good performance and blame him for all the shit/average/poor ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Looks like he was asked to try and be more expansive with his passing. Good pass for the assist. An uncharacteristic forward ball into an attacker. As a result he lost the ball way more than he usually does but he was effective. Available outball to play up to made such a difference for the midfielders, we couldn't really knock it long or over when Cisse was there as he has no pace or strength. We still used a variation of that splitting tactic, mind, Anita just went over as fullback when Janmaat pushed up, instead of directly splitting. I wouldn't give up on that tactic, tbh, I think player confidence was really getting in the way of our possession build up but mixing it up with more direct play should really relieve the pressure on our other attackers more. It's something we should use to mix it up and should be re-integrated slowly over the next couple of matches, as long as we've got a more capable CM on the ball to come and link play. I would disagree that it was down to an available outball in the case of Anita. Anita only completed 60% of his passes which indicates a lot of those balls weren't on. We went more direct in every sense. Anita carried the ball further then he has this season. Wasn't content to "make things tick" by passing it to defenders, he tried to get it to midfielders and attackers. Definitely told to be more direct with his passing. I like the way you're sure he was told to go more direct but still say he wasn't content to 'make things tick' thus implying he uniliterally chose to play a certain way before this. He's clearly a pretty aware and intelligent footballer and imo has been following instructions to the letter the entire time, so don't credit the coaching team with a good performance and blame him for all the s***/average/poor ones. Eh? I would like our players to understand the game and change as it develops. I hate players who show no impetus. i.e. when you're 2-0, take responsibility and try to make things happen. Not continue to pass it to CB's and hide behind managers instructions. He had to execute the plan and he was better. He's going to have to find a middle stall in his passing however. He only completed 20 of his 33 passes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Looks like he was asked to try and be more expansive with his passing. Good pass for the assist. An uncharacteristic forward ball into an attacker. As a result he lost the ball way more than he usually does but he was effective. Available outball to play up to made such a difference for the midfielders, we couldn't really knock it long or over when Cisse was there as he has no pace or strength. We still used a variation of that splitting tactic, mind, Anita just went over as fullback when Janmaat pushed up, instead of directly splitting. I wouldn't give up on that tactic, tbh, I think player confidence was really getting in the way of our possession build up but mixing it up with more direct play should really relieve the pressure on our other attackers more. It's something we should use to mix it up and should be re-integrated slowly over the next couple of matches, as long as we've got a more capable CM on the ball to come and link play. I would disagree that it was down to an available outball in the case of Anita. Anita only completed 60% of his passes which indicates a lot of those balls weren't on. We went more direct in every sense. Anita carried the ball further then he has this season. Wasn't content to "make things tick" by passing it to defenders, he tried to get it to midfielders and attackers. Definitely told to be more direct with his passing. I like the way you're sure he was told to go more direct but still say he wasn't content to 'make things tick' thus implying he uniliterally chose to play a certain way before this. He's clearly a pretty aware and intelligent footballer and imo has been following instructions to the letter the entire time, so don't credit the coaching team with a good performance and blame him for all the s***/average/poor ones. Eh? I would like our players to understand the game and change as it develops. I hate players who show no impetus. i.e. when you're 2-0, take responsibility and try to make things happen. Not continue to pass it to CB's and hide behind managers instructions. He had to execute the plan and he was better. He's going to have to find a middle stall in his passing however. He only completed 20 of his 33 passes. You're implying that his earlier performances were his own choice and the Chelsea game he was told to play differently. I'm firmly of the belief he's being strictly following instructions all along. It's really very simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 ^^ aye but it's not a good enough excuse for poor performances. At the risk of sounding like Souness - it's everything wrong with modern players. Lack leadership. Accountability. Responsibility. Need telling that passing sideways when chasing a game all the time isn't going to help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 TCD is spot on here, the players have to learn to take the initative. 'If someone told you to, would you walk off a cliff?' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Hatem took initiative and got shipped off to Hull. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Usually tho movements, runs, patterns are trained and it is a bit difficult for a DM to alone "taka iniative" if no one else is making themselves available. Passing is easy when the movement is right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Fucking weird stuff. New coaching team come in and give players instructions on how they want to play and institute a new style. The only bit that came close to working was Vurn, in the sense he could do what was being asked. It's not down to him the overall system was balls. But aye, after 6 games he should just have said fuck it and did what he wanted Had identical conversations about Pardew's teams post 5th finish where I was being told that rather than stand in two rigid lines of 4 twatting the ball up Cabs and friends should 'take the initiative' if it was Pardew's instructions. When has football ever worked like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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