Jack Flash Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 To be fair, the next sentence gives it a little more context: “Other times, we’ve played and overplayed in games, and haven’t gone long enough. “Other times, we’ve gone long from free-kicks and deliveries from deep when we should play smaller.” I think he's saying we've taken the wrong option at times, playing short when a long ball was on and playing long when a short ball and keeping possession would have been a better choice. Worth quoting again for those that missed, sorry - ignored it. Most people ignore that because he'll ignore it. As with most things he says it'll be like he never thought about it come kick off. He can't win. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. He usually talks a good game in regard to our problems yet it's not evident that he can actually fix these problems. That's not me being needlessly negative, it's a genuine concern. I eagerly await our first "float it to willo" tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 He should just tell it like it is. The truth, and at least he'd gain some respect. We've become a long ball team, our attacking play is dreadful, 4-4-2 doesn't work with our players, we didn't play 4-3-3 against Swansea. And so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think it's safe to say this team has never been guilty of overplaying the short passes. Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That story where he says "we haven't gone long enough at times", i read it earlier and if you read the whole thing it isn't as bad as it sounds tbf to him. He talks as if we haven't been playing long ball stuff, thats a major worry for me, what he is seeing isn't what everyone is seeing us play. Just to say my reason for being so annoyed by him at the moment are that i detest long ball with all my worth. Its not football, not how i like to see it played or how i liked to play. "at times we havent gone long enough", only time i can think of is the first half vs swansea at home. and first half vs bruge away. other than that, that statement is complete crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That story where he says "we haven't gone long enough at times", i read it earlier and if you read the whole thing it isn't as bad as it sounds tbf to him. He talks as if we haven't been playing long ball stuff, thats a major worry for me, what he is seeing isn't what everyone is seeing us play. Just to say my reason for being so annoyed by him at the moment are that i detest long ball with all my worth. Its not football, not how i like to see it played or how i liked to play. Thing is i agree but i would have no problem with long ball if it suited us but the fact it is it doesn't.... That's the mind boggling thing that he's persisting with something that obviously doesn't work..... he buys players like Anita, Cisse, Marveaux, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and many others and persists with long ball. I just don't understand it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That story where he says "we haven't gone long enough at times", i read it earlier and if you read the whole thing it isn't as bad as it sounds tbf to him. He talks as if we haven't been playing long ball stuff, thats a major worry for me, what he is seeing isn't what everyone is seeing us play. Just to say my reason for being so annoyed by him at the moment are that i detest long ball with all my worth. Its not football, not how i like to see it played or how i liked to play. "at times we havent gone long enough", only time i can think of is the first half vs swansea at home. and first half vs bruge away. other than that, that statement is complete crap. Aye, thats my worry. Its just not what we are seeing. We aren't blind, i'm not expecting to see Barcelona style football, just passing, movement and interchanging. Nice to watch football that our players are well capable of playing. And tbf to Pardew had them playing at times last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 A few days ago AP was using stats to 'prove' that Playing in Europe affected players energy levels. Now he's saying stats are crap. This kind of bullshit hypocrisy isn't helping anybody. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Anyone watch the Villa game yesterday? Hard to believe those youngsters have a better idea of how to pass and move into space than the likes of Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Anita, Tiote, Ba and Cisse. Unreal. Pardew is doing a hell of a job screwing this team up it has to be said. The Villa kids didn't always get it right, but they were trying, and they would occasionally go long to Benteke, who is adept at holding the ball up, or flicking it on. I mean you could see there was some method to what they were doing. Newcastle at the moment on the other hand ... just random kicks of the ball it seems like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That story where he says "we haven't gone long enough at times", i read it earlier and if you read the whole thing it isn't as bad as it sounds tbf to him. He talks as if we haven't been playing long ball stuff, thats a major worry for me, what he is seeing isn't what everyone is seeing us play. Just to say my reason for being so annoyed by him at the moment are that i detest long ball with all my worth. Its not football, not how i like to see it played or how i liked to play. Thing is i agree but i would have no problem with long ball if it suited us but the fact it is it doesn't.... That's the mind boggling thing that he's persisting with something that obviously doesn't work..... he buys players like Anita, Cisse, Marveaux, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and many others and persists with long ball. I just don't understand it. It is baffling, especially with our players as you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 He's contradicted himself about 10 times in the past week alone, can only assume the pressure must really be getting to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! he's trying to convince us that there are no home games in europe, we all got to travel to the ends of the earth for these type of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! Obviously it's a factor, you can't prepare for two games at once, no matter who is going to be on the pitch on the night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! Obviously it's a factor, you can't prepare for two games at once, no matter who is going to be on the pitch on the night. I would say it depends on how you prepare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! Obviously it's a factor, you can't prepare for two games at once, no matter who is going to be on the pitch on the night. I would say it depends on how you prepare. That's a bit too vague to argue with, but I can see how it would be much more difficult to work on your approach to a PL game if you're playing a game in Europe in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Other teams can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! Obviously it's a factor, you can't prepare for two games at once, no matter who is going to be on the pitch on the night. I would say it depends on how you prepare. That's a bit too vague to argue with, but I can see how it would be much more difficult to work on your approach to a PL game if you're playing a game in Europe in the middle. Well, we've gone over this a few times before so I didn't want to get into it too deeply again but if our training was focused on how we play and not on stopping the opposition it would mitigate the preparation limitations somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! Obviously it's a factor, you can't prepare for two games at once, no matter who is going to be on the pitch on the night. I would say it depends on how you prepare. That's a bit too vague to argue with, but I can see how it would be much more difficult to work on your approach to a PL game if you're playing a game in Europe in the middle. Well, we've gone over this a few times before so I didn't want to get into it too deeply again but if our training was focused on how we play and not on stopping the opposition it would mitigate the preparation limitations somewhat. True, it would to a certain extent. I think training towards the specifics of the next game is a pretty ingrained thing though, at least it is to clubs and managers who don't have a clear and unchanging playing style (which is most of them). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 if playing in europe ever becomes an excuse, he should be sacked! Less preparation time...ok, but we mostly play squad and young players + players suspended in the PL. It should or could be an advantage. It has nothing do to with our or his clueless approach! Obviously it's a factor, you can't prepare for two games at once, no matter who is going to be on the pitch on the night. I would say it depends on how you prepare. That's a bit too vague to argue with, but I can see how it would be much more difficult to work on your approach to a PL game if you're playing a game in Europe in the middle. Well, we've gone over this a few times before so I didn't want to get into it too deeply again but if our training was focused on how we play and not on stopping the opposition it would mitigate the preparation limitations somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I think the long and short of it is that if Pardew can't handle the fact that we have to play in europe then he's not cut out to manage a european side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 I'd rather see 4 days of attacking training, and one day of defensive detailed to the next opposition. Then backing our attacking play to smash the fuck out of em, not bloody set up to stop them first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That's the point though, isn't it? There's not time for 5 days of training before games when you're in Europe. And attacking training considers the opposition as well probably, unless you're Barca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 That's the point though, isn't it? There's not time for 5 days of training before games when you're in Europe. And attacking training considers the opposition as well probably, unless you're Barca. I know i was generalising what Pardew said in an interview once. I guess i just want the opposition to worry about us. Obviously when you play Man Utd, City, Chelsea you have to be set up properly. Just not to extent where you hope to nick a goal and hold on for dear life. Thats very Martin O'nil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Bimpy still got the new post bug? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Bimpy still got the new post bug? Aye, i've noticed it still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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