Alan Pardew

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The other nine players weren't inept at all.

[Skirge]

Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do?

 

not even sure he does considering the way he's going on with Jonas/Marveaux situation.  It's clear to everyone (except Pardew apparently) that he's been fucking abysmal all season. 

 

Our defensive weakness is why Jonas is getting the nod, Marv is a talent but a light weight who looks scared he will shatter under a tackle. Jonas may be lacking in the attacking sense but work ethic and tracking back is still 100%. Last thing we need is to weaken our 3 man midfield with Marv, especially away from home.

[Parky]

Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do?

 

not even sure he does considering the way he's going on with Jonas/Marveaux situation.  It's clear to everyone (except Pardew apparently) that he's been fucking abysmal all season. 

 

Our defensive weakness is why Jonas is getting the nod, Marv is a talent but a light weight who looks scared he will shatter under a tackle. Jonas may be lacking in the attacking sense but work ethic and tracking back is still 100%. Last thing we need is to weaken our 3 man midfield with Marv, especially away from home.

 

Think this is the only reason he starts.

[themanupstairs]

This spell has brought back those horrible memories of the Souness era where we had some excellent footballers turned cloggers. Souness had no influence on the way we played football as a team, and no impact on matches. He really had no gameplan, by his own admission.

 

Pardew is exactly the same. He rode the wave of some individual brilliance last season, and I reckon he couldn't believe his luck. I don't doubt that he's a good man manager, and that he has something about him when it comes to managing the CLUB overall. He's just a clueless football manager. He would make a good GM, but he's not a "football man". There is absolutely nothing in his PR, his press, his interviews that shows he's that much of a "football man". He is ineloquent, and speaks in vague generalizations. Unless he plays stupid on purpose, I don't really feel confident when I hear him speak or read his quotes.

 

We should have won last night. I don't know why, it's been really hard taking this defeat specifically. Before Monday I had mostly dismissed the bad run as just a bad run. Last night something changed. The fact that he did not bring Marveaux on for Ben Arfa spoke volumes for the way he sees the game in context of its particular situation. That substitution was a massive massive telling sign.

[Lotus]

Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do?

 

not even sure he does considering the way he's going on with Jonas/Marveaux situation.  It's clear to everyone (except Pardew apparently) that he's been f***ing abysmal all season. 

 

Our defensive weakness is why Jonas is getting the nod, Marv is a talent but a light weight who looks scared he will shatter under a tackle. Jonas may be lacking in the attacking sense but work ethic and tracking back is still 100%. Last thing we need is to weaken our 3 man midfield with Marv, especially away from home.

 

Think this is the only reason he starts.

 

Pardew's first judgement on a player is what can that player do for the team when we don't have the ball. It is an important element, especially for us as we don't often have the lion's share of the possession. The crux of our problem is that Pardew still uses the same criteria when chasing a game. That habit will be his undoing imo.

[Wilson]

Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do?

 

not even sure he does considering the way he's going on with Jonas/Marveaux situation.  It's clear to everyone (except Pardew apparently) that he's been f***ing abysmal all season. 

 

Our defensive weakness is why Jonas is getting the nod, Marv is a talent but a light weight who looks scared he will shatter under a tackle. Jonas may be lacking in the attacking sense but work ethic and tracking back is still 100%. Last thing we need is to weaken our 3 man midfield with Marv, especially away from home.

 

Yeah I can see the logic behind it, just don't think Jonas has even been doing that right this season. I love Jonas and defended him for years when he gets slated, pains me to say it but he just doesn't offer anything, even defensively, at the minute imo.

 

Marveaux being lightweight shouldn't be a reason not to play him, considering he's one of our few creative talents.  Think I just wish we'd have a go rather than filling our midfield with defensive players, suppose we need the likes of Tiote to get a grip before we can do that though.

 

[Disco]

Pards knows Simpson & Williamson are not good enough but what can he do?

 

not even sure he does considering the way he's going on with Jonas/Marveaux situation.  It's clear to everyone (except Pardew apparently) that he's been f***ing abysmal all season. 

 

Our defensive weakness is why Jonas is getting the nod, Marv is a talent but a light weight who looks scared he will shatter under a tackle. Jonas may be lacking in the attacking sense but work ethic and tracking back is still 100%. Last thing we need is to weaken our 3 man midfield with Marv, especially away from home.

 

Think this is the only reason he starts.

 

Pardew's first judgement on a player is what can that player do for the team when we don't have the ball. It is an important element, especially for us as we don't often have the lion's share of the possession. The crux of our problem is that Pardew still uses the same criteria when chasing a game. That habit will be his undoing imo.

 

As daft as he is Ryder alluded to it last night, Jonas can be trusted to hold his position more than the replacements.

[Dinho lad]

Was interesting to hear him screaming go long in the last 5 only for the team to pass the ball up the pitch.

 

 

[Decky]

Worst away run in 27 years apparently.

 

It's ok though, our next two away games are Man Utd and Arsenal.

[TRon]

Jonas was a key player when we were shite two years ago, and I was happy to defend him. When you've got Cisse and Ba up front then it's probably time to play wingers who can put in a decent cross once in a while rather than shoot your load every time he tracks back and tackles the opposition full back.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Jonas was a key player when we were shite two years ago, and I was happy to defend him. When you've got Cisse and Ba up front then it's probably time to play wingers who can put in a decent cross once in a while rather than shoot your load every time he tracks back and tackles the opposition full back.

 

 

Word.

[Beren]

This spell has brought back those horrible memories of the Souness era where we had some excellent footballers turned cloggers. Souness had no influence on the way we played football as a team, and no impact on matches. He really had no gameplan, by his own admission.

 

Pardew is exactly the same. He rode the wave of some individual brilliance last season, and I reckon he couldn't believe his luck. I don't doubt that he's a good man manager, and that he has something about him when it comes to managing the CLUB overall. He's just a clueless football manager. He would make a good GM, but he's not a "football man". There is absolutely nothing in his PR, his press, his interviews that shows he's that much of a "football man". He is ineloquent, and speaks in vague generalizations. Unless he plays stupid on purpose, I don't really feel confident when I hear him speak or read his quotes.

 

We should have won last night. I don't know why, it's been really hard taking this defeat specifically. Before Monday I had mostly dismissed the bad run as just a bad run. Last night something changed. The fact that he did not bring Marveaux on for Ben Arfa spoke volumes for the way he sees the game in context of its particular situation. That substitution was a massive massive telling sign.

 

Good post.

[Flip]

What shocked me the most is that our midfield three (Tiote, Marv and Anita) was clicking against Wigan. THe only player in the midfield that day that was really below par was Jonas, and yet Pardew played him for 90full minutes. How is that even possible. I have no doubt in my mind that we would've been more balanced and had more movement had Marv started for Jonas. We need someone who could drive the ball from the middle with speed and open up play, all Jonas was doing last night was clogging up the running lanes for Ben Arfa and Santon.

 

Pardew now has 5 tough games to turn this around and I can definitely see us getting only 2p from those 5. And that will definitely put us into a relegation scrap come January.

[Lotus]

Another thing that struck me last night was that Fulham had a couple of moves that they repeated nearly all game whereby they could get the ball from their own half upto and around our box in a couple of passes. Just a few key offensive strategies that they'd clearly worked on that they could use to turn us around and relieve the pressure and also see if they could create a problem or two for us (which they managed tbh).

 

Now, you all know what i'm going to say next.......

 

It was brutally apparent that when we moved forward it wasn't in a well rehearsed manner. I understand the ideaology of not over coaching good, natural attacking players because their instincts will probably get the results you need anyway and you may just stifle them (i truly think this is Pardew's thoughts on it, remember what he said about HBA 'i leave the attacking stuff up to him, it's when we don't have the ball i want him to do it my way'.  However, it's clear Pardew's 'hands off' approach to attacking has been taken too far because we really do look disjointed and somewhat incoherent. We lack any real flow or rhythm to the way we go forward. When our players are under a bit of pressure they need to look around for a team mate instead of just knowing where one is. When we attack they all look like they'v only just met ALL THE TIME.

 

He's got to address this or he's going to lose his job.

[Dokko]

This dumb cunt still here then? 

[LateRegistration]

This dumb cunt still here then? 

 

Which less dumb cunt do you think we can realistically get mid-season?

[Dokko]

This dumb cunt still here then? 

 

Which less dumb cunt do you think we can realistically get mid-season?

 

I answered you yesterday.

[Kanj]

Anita - Tiote

----Marv----

 

That HAS to be our fucking midfield for now. Ben Arfa given license to roam, Ba and Cisse doing w/e the fuck it takes to get goals.

 

Pards playing Jonas for 90 minutes was shocking, and there are times when I go mental at some of his decisions, I thought this one was massive. Marv shone at home then had a shit game like the rest of the lads who travelled to Bordeaux, then was forced to sit the bench whilst Jonas couldn't buy himself a successful pass for nearly all the match.

[LateRegistration]

This dumb cunt still here then? 

 

Which less dumb cunt do you think we can realistically get mid-season?

 

I answered you yesterday.

 

Ah yes, apologies didn't see the reply due to the high activity in the thread.

 

Right the Lille manager and what makes you think we stand a realistic chance of being able to attract him to coming here? He seems to be doing well at Lille so there's the issue of whether he would want to leave, then the bigger obstacle is will the fat one pay the compensation, etc. Certainly looking at his previous record of managerial appointments its a case of be careful what you wish for as the alternative to Pards could be much worse.

[The College Dropout]

I thought we where a Jonas substitution away from as good as we could be. Cisse off probably too.

 

We knocked it about in midfield for once.

[Dokko]

This dumb cunt still here then? 

 

Which less dumb cunt do you think we can realistically get mid-season?

 

I answered you yesterday.

 

Ah yes, apologies didn't see the reply due to the high activity in the thread.

 

Right the Lille manager and what makes you think we stand a realistic chance of being able to attract him to coming here? He seems to be doing well at Lille so there's the issue of whether he would want to leave, then the bigger obstacle is will the fat one pay the compensation, etc. Certainly looking at his previous record of managerial appointments its a case of be careful what you wish for as the alternative to Pards could be much worse.

 

He's had a tough season. Whacked out of the CL (worst ever iirc) and struggling in the league. Mainly down to so many departures and he's not the highest paid manager about and i think it expires in 2014. Wouldn't cost much to get him in. Like i say bring Debuchy with him who by accounts isn't playing too well either after the move here broke down. With all our french players here already and us still shopping in France it makes sense and i think a big pull for a French manager.

 

 

[Parky]

If we go through this window with Pardew our fate is totally in his hands. You feel fear right?

[Dokko]

Still think he needs more time.

 

But then again, me and my friends that I go to the games with seem to be in the minority who thought we actually played pretty well last night. Only mistake was the Ben Arfa sub really, and the poor opening 20 mins. The rest of the game we did pretty well I thought.

 

Anyhow, if we're still in this position come mid-January, and there's no signs of any players coming in, I'll start to lose patience. As things stand though, he's still got time from me.

 

Dunno what it is as well, but every NUFC fan I speak to at work (or anyone who's not on this forum mainly) thinks he deserves a lot more time. Don't know how relevent that is, but my 2p's worth anyway.

 

Mainly as the media haven't stuck the boot in yet. Soon as Sky sports etc starts twisting the knife the sheep aka general public will sharp change their tune.

 

 

[Parky]

Still think he needs more time.

 

But then again, me and my friends that I go to the games with seem to be in the minority who thought we actually played pretty well last night. Only mistake was the Ben Arfa sub really, and the poor opening 20 mins. The rest of the game we did pretty well I thought.

 

Anyhow, if we're still in this position come mid-January, and there's no signs of any players coming in, I'll start to lose patience. As things stand though, he's still got time from me.

 

Dunno what it is as well, but every NUFC fan I speak to at work (or anyone who's not on this forum mainly) thinks he deserves a lot more time. Don't know how relevent that is, but my 2p's worth anyway.

 

Mainly as the media haven't stuck the boot in yet. Soon as Sky sports etc starts twisting the knife the sheep aka general public will sharp change their tune.

 

 

 

Yup.

[Ronaldo]

Sky Sports seemed to be starting it last night. Long shot of him walking off the pitch at the end followed by the 27 years stat.