arnonel Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 If only Pardew could operate on Cabayes leg to ensure better corners.... that would rock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Pardew is to blame for Williamson being awful? FFS man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Pardew is to blame for Williamson being awful? FFS man. I said not many of them have been dealt with. My point being when a team has so many problems, there's something the manager isn't doing right. Williamson and Perch were very good during the spring of last season. Williamson's shitness has coincided with several other players losing form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Pardew is to blame for Williamson being awful? FFS man. I said not many of them have been dealt with. My point being when a team has so many problems, there's something the manager isn't doing right. Williamson and Perch were very good during the spring of last season. Williamson's shitness has coincided with several other players losing form. Who was the manager in the spring of last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Explain things whatever way you want. For me Pardew plays a big role in our demise. Cabaye's s*** corners, Tioté's poor form, Jonas' decline, our lack of movement, our inability to create anything resembling a chance from set plays (300 corners in a row ffs), our inability to deal with set plays, us being Europe's number one long-ball side, Cissé losing his confidence in front of goal, Williamson suddenly turning into a complete liability. You name whatever reasons, the manager's role is to prevent them and deal with them. Not many of the above problems have been dealt with particularly well this season. I blame Pardew. We're dead now? :'( Williamson was always a liability, but I do agree with some, maybe not to that extent mind. I don't think all managers are good time managers, better managers would identify and fix glaring issues quicker, I don't believe how we played at times earlier this season was just injuries, he had us playing terrible football, and didn't make any tactical changes to improve things for way too long. Right now he's doing alright, the team are playing well and the morale seems good, but this took new signings (which we admittedly should have had over the summer). The problem is there's no way he's going to lose his job any time soon, we'll have him next season, and there are positives to that, for instance his good relationship with some of our stars may convince them to stay (maybe getting too hopeful with this). Equally we can have a good next season under Pardew if we're not too injury hurt and get some momentum going. Big ifs maybe. His failure to motivate team for domestic cups (suspect he kinda wanted to throw them tbh) was pathetic mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Look at the team that got us 5th last year. Who gets the credit there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Pardew is to blame for Williamson being awful? FFS man. I said not many of them have been dealt with. My point being when a team has so many problems, there's something the manager isn't doing right. Williamson and Perch were very good during the spring of last season. Williamson's shitness has coincided with several other players losing form. Who was the manager in the spring of last season? In no way is that an argument to support his handling of this campaign. He was very good last season. He deserves criticism for this season. I'm not out to judge him permanentley. Just saying, with all the problems we've had this season, in so different areas of our play, the manager has to take blame. He should have been able to identify and correct more of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Look at the team that got us 5th last year. Who gets the credit there? The players, of course. However, they are not to blame for their poor form this season. You can work this any way you like. It's quite flexible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Explain things whatever way you want. For me Pardew plays a big role in our demise. Cabaye's s*** corners, Tioté's poor form, Jonas' decline, our lack of movement, our inability to create anything resembling a chance from set plays (300 corners in a row ffs), our inability to deal with set plays, us being Europe's number one long-ball side, Cissé losing his confidence in front of goal, Williamson suddenly turning into a complete liability. You name whatever reasons, the manager's role is to prevent them and deal with them. Not many of the above problems have been dealt with particularly well this season. I blame Pardew. We're dead now? :'( Williamson was always a liability, but I do agree with some, maybe not to that extent mind. I don't think all managers are good time managers, better managers would identify and fix glaring issues quicker, I don't believe how we played at times earlier this season was just injuries, he had us playing terrible football, and didn't make any tactical changes to improve things for way too long. Right now he's doing alright, the team are playing well and the morale seems good, but this took new signings (which we admittedly should have had over the summer). The problem is there's no way he's going to lose his job any time soon, we'll have him next season, and there are positives to that, for instance his good relationship with some of our stars may convince them to stay (maybe getting too hopeful with this). Equally we can have a good next season under Pardew if we're not too injury hurt and get some momentum going. Big ifs maybe. His failure to motivate team for domestic cups (suspect he kinda wanted to throw them tbh) was pathetic mind. Don't know if you watched the games you mention but effort and motivation was not the issue, as it hasn't been in any game when Pardew was our manager. Against Brighton we were awful, inadequate and lacking quality. Against Man U we were weakened, but a tad unlucky. In neither game could effort or motivation be questioned. As I said a couple of posts ago, there must be enough valid criticisms to satisfy those with an anti-Pardew agenda without having to make stuff up as you go along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 He should have been able to identify and correct more of them. Especially our poor starts. I laughed the other day when after the Southampton match a few were saying that he didn't do much wrong. Yeah, apart from starting badly again and conceding at the start of each half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 He should have been able to identify and correct more of them. Especially our poor starts. I laughed the other day when after the Southampton match a few were saying that he didn't do much wrong. Yeah, apart from starting badly again and conceding at the start of each half. I don't disagree with any of that really, there are a few faults that he definitely needs to work on. It's just pointless to talk about sacking him, because it won't happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 He should have been able to identify and correct more of them. Especially our poor starts. I laughed the other day when after the Southampton match a few were saying that he didn't do much wrong. Yeah, apart from starting badly again and conceding at the start of each half. I don't disagree with any of that really, there are a few faults that he definitely needs to work on. It's just pointless to talk about sacking him, because it won't happen. I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Pardew is to blame for Williamson being awful? FFS man. I said not many of them have been dealt with. My point being when a team has so many problems, there's something the manager isn't doing right. Williamson and Perch were very good during the spring of last season. Williamson's shitness has coincided with several other players losing form. Who was the manager in the spring of last season? In no way is that an argument to support his handling of this campaign. He was very good last season. He deserves criticism for this season. I'm not out to judge him permanentley. Just saying, with all the problems we've had this season, in so different areas of our play, the manager has to take blame. He should have been able to identify and correct more of them. As long as you're only talking about this season then obviously Pardew deserves criticism. We have underperformed and he is the manager. I don't think many (any?) people would deny that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Look at the team that got us 5th last year. Who gets the credit there? The players, of course. However, they are not to blame for their poor form this season. You can work this any way you like. It's quite flexible. Shhh - you'll give the secret away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Look at the team that got us 5th last year. Who gets the credit there? The players, of course. However, they are not to blame for their poor form this season. You can work this any way you like. It's quite flexible. Hehe. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Honest question. Who do we think has the most influence over the result of the match. Would be interesting to guage as a percentage, eg: Manager: 20% Players: 70% Crowd: 10% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Depends how much control the manager has. Some managers are different. Marty at S'land is probably 70%. He has a dinstinct style of management and transfer policy. His team are purely in his image for better or worse. Pardew doesn't make our signings nor does he have a strong say. He is also a great man-manager so he's as good as his best players because he encourages them to really shine. A great chairman can do more than a great manager. A great manager can do more than great players. I do believe in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Depends how much control the manager has. Some managers are different. Marty at S'land is probably 70%. He has a dinstinct style of management and transfer policy. His team are purely in his image for better or worse. Pardew doesn't make our signings nor does he have a strong say. He is also a great man-manager so he's as good as his best players because he encourages them to really shine. A great chairman can do more than a great manager. A great manager can do more than great players. I do believe in that. Piffle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Depends how much control the manager has. Some managers are different. Marty at S'land is probably 70%. He has a dinstinct style of management and transfer policy. His team are purely in his image for better or worse. Pardew doesn't make our signings nor does he have a strong say. He is also a great man-manager so he's as good as his best players because he encourages them to really shine. A great chairman can do more than a great manager. A great manager can do more than great players. I do believe in that. Piffle. You think it was his choice to sign Marveaux or Anita? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 That's not what I highlighted, but yes, he will have given the nod to the recruitment of every first team squad player. ...and by the sound of it puts in a considerable amount of time working with Carr etc on the sourcing and scouting of the players too. /to the detriment of our set pieces no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Even if he didn't, that doesn't prove your point. I do believe he's consulted on our signings, and will give his approval. You're stating it as a fact, based on nothing but your agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 He just says "yes" because Carr highlights good players IMO. He gets more excited by some than others and he needs bodies. If he had a strong say and he could've chosen his own first team CM to sign. It wouldn't be a 5'8 lad from Ajax. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Even if he didn't, that doesn't prove your point. I do believe he's consulted on our signings, and will give his approval. You're stating it as a fact, based on nothing but your agenda. What agenda? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Even if he didn't, that doesn't prove your point. I do believe he's consulted on our signings, and will give his approval. You're stating it as a fact, based on nothing but your agenda. What agenda? That you just fucking love Alan, and you want the world to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 He just says "yes" because Carr highlights good players IMO. He gets more excited by some than others and he needs bodies. If he had a strong say and he could've chosen his own first team CM to sign. It wouldn't be a 5'8 lad from Ajax. Like it wasn't the 5'8" lad from Lille? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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