Newcastle Fan Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The Changes yesterday made no sense at all. can't understand why he took Gouffran off when he can't play on thursday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 The Changes yesterday made no sense at all. can't understand why he took Gouffran off when he can't play on thursday. Yep. As soon as we went 3-0 down Cabaye and Sissoko should have been off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Gouffran's seemingly his go-to guy when we need to make a change. No idea why he made that decision yesterday, Gouff was no worse than many others and was working fairly hard still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I've been patient thus far with our manager, because like somebody mentioned above, I liked the idea of stability within the club. The rate at which we have changed management in the past has been embarrassing, but we certainly need a manager now who can work with the talent we have in the dressing room. It's so frustrating having players like Cabaye, Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Marveaux and playing so negatively week in week out. I have plenty of non-toon mates who every week ask me what has gone wrong. I've been behind Pardew. giving him time to get it right but if he does stay I don't think it will get any better than this. I actually quite like his character, but he's not working for us where it counts. There's no good in moving him on before the end of the season, of that i'm certain. And going by what Llambias has said in the past - that every manager is entitled to a bad season - and especially given the 8 year contract they dished out this season, I can't seen him going anywhere for at least another season yet. Contrary to what some have said, we did play some attractive football last season. I'm certain we can again under Pardew, but we can't wait for him to get it right because I'm worried our big guns will get bored and as frustrated as us, and will move on. I'd like to see somebody like Gus Poyet come in in the summer, with Carver at his side. He has his team playing nice passing football, and he has a real enthusiasm for it, which would benefit us no end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Do his supporters still think he's trying to advance us to a better standard of football, or is getting back to the effective football we played for much of last year the ultimate aim? I don't hear people saying he'll get us playing good stuff much anymore, that's all. Seems to be that we got good results one season and can do so again. Fwiw, I wouldn't officially class myself as a 'Pardew supporter' and - although I'd prefer it that we stuck, I'm not gonna sit here and say I'd be devastated if he went in the summer. I'm just a supporter of the notion of stability. I'm nowhere near convinced he has the ability to get the full potential out of this squad - I just think there's something to sticking with a manager. It's not like Souness, Roeder, Kinnear or Allardyce, who were basically shite from the beginning - in my opinion Pardew has performed admirably as a manager for an extended period of time (though I concede there's discrepancies over that opinion, which appears to be the sticking point here). In addition to what was, imo, a brilliant job last season, I think it's worth pointing out that his opening spell has been forgotten about in this debate. It was pretty solid to be fair, especially considering the Carroll debacle. It was only an aberration against WBA that prevented us from actually finishing in the top half. I'm just sick of seeing us constantly chopping and changing, and I don't have faith in the board to upgrade on him. He's shown good and bad in equal measure imo, and should get till Christmas. Just repeating myself now. Fair points, can't say I agree massively about him doing anything better than a bang-average job in his first half-season but there you go. Certainly not something I'd give him a massive amount of credit for, he was OK. Anyway, do you think he wants to play better football or not, that's what I'm asking. People used to say he was working towards us playing better stuff, but they don't seem to say that now. Where's my signature gone Polic??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 question, has pardew got a single result this season from a fixture that you'd not expect us to win? i mean vs. the top 6 teams, or in a game where were were decimated by injuries? i do not include results where we've had to pull something back from when he's got it totally wrong in the first place not that there's many of chelsea (h) springs to mind keep saying it but this is the mark of a good manager Well, we gave Man Utd one of the best games, that I can recall, we've ever given them down there, we gave Arsenal all they could handle until we ran out of gas around 70 mins (they being totally rested) and we drew at Liverpool where we unrelentingly usually get beaten. Apart from that, your right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Let's make a poll then, whether Poyet > Pardew. I am not defending Pards but I honestly can't think of any managers that 1. most of us believe is better then Pards and 2. is realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 question, has pardew got a single result this season from a fixture that you'd not expect us to win? i mean vs. the top 6 teams, or in a game where were were decimated by injuries? i do not include results where we've had to pull something back from when he's got it totally wrong in the first place not that there's many of chelsea (h) springs to mind keep saying it but this is the mark of a good manager Well, we gave Man Utd one of the best games, that I can recall, we've ever given them down there, we gave Arsenal all they could handle until we ran out of gas around 70 mins (they being totally rested) and we drew at Liverpool where we unrelentingly usually get beaten. Apart from that, your right. aye liverpool i suppose, but weren't they in a shite patch themselves when we played them? hardly been blazing a trail this season either, but as you say usually a graveyard so one in the column for pards chelsea and liverpool (draw) then, that about it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would be hard to like Poyet giving how the cunt cost us the FA Cup under Bobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years. should sunderland have stuck with mon then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would be hard to like Poyet giving how the c*** cost us the FA Cup under Bobby. Keegan cost us the cup under Joe Harvey, most everyone soon learned to love him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Pitchfork brigade? Christ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years. How do you work that out when he was at West Ham for 50% more games and Reading for nearly double he's had here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Unless you're suggesting his traditional drop off is happening much quicker than it did at those clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolton Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years. should sunderland have stuck with mon then? Yes they should have, changing a manager at this point is a panic measure, you may get a new manager bounce, but its not guarenteed. Pardew has had a poor season, but you would be mad to get rid of him now, 10 games into next season with no improvement, yes, it would probably be the right thing to do. The extra money in TV rights next season is affecting judgment for many chairmen I suspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would be hard to like Poyet giving how the c*** cost us the FA Cup under Bobby. You mean like the 2 goals KK scored against us in the FA Cup Final at Wembley in 74....!?? Somehow, everyone forgot about that...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years. should sunderland have stuck with mon then? Incomparable situations, MoN's had near as damn-it his full first choice all season and isn't in the quarter finals of a European competition (which take a huge amount of effort/games to get to). We got beat off the Champions (with half our team missing) as expected IMO and we got hosed by the ref at Wigan. We won't go down. If we lose to Fulham and Sunderland, then yes the manager has to be looked at, but I don't think we will. I am not a "save Pardew at any cost" merchant, but I am thoroughly sick and tired of managerial shuffling, it's never worked for us, lets see if sticking with someone does. I see no justification to fire him just now, because I do believe there are exstenuating circumstances (some will call them excuses). I ain't changing my mind on this, we have had decades of manager changing not working for us and turning shit into more and often deeper shit, I'm prepared to stick it out a bit longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'll take back what I said about Obertan/Marveaux then. Just seen the interview and he's said Marveaux has a very mild groin strain so they were worried about playing him. He really needs a big performance out of the team next sunday against Fulham. None of this cautious approach, have to go for it and put them away. I'm still to get my ticket for the Fulham match but if we go a goal up and I'm sitting there in the freezing cold and we sit back as we so often do............... Need the 3 points to take into the derby. We do have to "do" Fulham (which is usually easier said than done for us). But for the torch and pitchfork brigade, I really don't know how you can "have a go" at the reigning champions when you're missing three of your first choice back four, your first reserve fullback, your first choice keeper (although Elliot's done nowt wrong) your first choice DM and your best "threat" player. That's half a team right there. He's not going anywhere, if next season starts poorly, different ballgame. As for the "it follows the pattern of his career", no-one's stuck with him to see what happens next in "the pattern", we are going to, may as well get used to it. I've said it before, if it was up to this forum,you all would have had Fergie and Moyes sacked in their 3rd years. If it was up to the forum we would change managers every 6 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Unless you're suggesting his traditional drop off is happening much quicker than it did at those clubs. in fairness he didn't drop off at reading did he? he left for west ham iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 I don't want him as manager next season but I don't think there will be any benefit in sacking him now with 7 games to go. Any replacement won't radically change things in that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Incomparable situations, MoN's had near as damn-it his full first choice all season and isn't in the quarter finals of a European competition (which take a huge amount of effort/games to get to). We got beat off the Champions (with half our team missing) as expected IMO and we got hosed by the ref at Wigan. We won't go down. If we lose to Fulham and Sunderland, then yes the manager has to be looked at, but I don't think we will. I am not a "save Pardew at any cost" merchant, but I am thoroughly sick and tired of managerial shuffling, it's never worked for us, lets see if sticking with someone does. I see no justification to fire him just now, because I do believe there are exstenuating circumstances (some will call them excuses). I ain't changing my mind on this, we have had decades of manager changing not working for us and turning shit into more and often deeper shit, I'm prepared to stick it out a bit longer. incomparable indeed, mon didn't get 5 new players in january iirc also the bit in bold beggars belief Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 “Benfica are top of the Portuguese league and are going very well. They could be on a par with this City side in terms of quality, but I don’t think anyone else we are going to play will be as good. “That gives us more of a chance to win games that remain. “There is nothing I can do about the other results. “Even with my best players today I think we would have struggled against City. “They were as strong as I have seen them for a while. “We have got to our business in the other games coming up, let’s be honest. They are the ones we look forward to now.” BUT THE INJURIES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Would be hard to like Poyet giving how the c*** cost us the FA Cup under Bobby. You mean like the 2 goals KK scored against us in the FA Cup Final at Wembley in 74....!?? Somehow, everyone forgot about that...... Except us who watched it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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