Alan Pardew

[Spudil]

I guess my worry is that next season is just an average of the 1st two, so we finish about 10th (ish), the good players leave for better things,

 

Bingo.

 

Perhaps we may even finish 8th or 7th depending on injuries and so on. But we will never achieve anything great or even genuinely aspire to under such a negative and conservative manager. 

 

[jimmymag]

You can bleat all you like regarding Pardew, but the fact is he will be our manager next season. Compute?

 

Well that's fucking that then. Close the forum. He's here for all eternity. We have a winner.

 

 

 

Love your passion mate, but get yourself one of these, relax and try to enjoy the ride!

 

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[Spudil]

I keep reading this "we have players capable of much more"... With regards to our team... Makes me think of the national media talking about the England team... Yet after several top managers we ain't any better and we all know its because our players are hyped... Not sure we would be if we changed manager... Will that magically give our players greater pace and passing ability and aerial strength and suffer from less injuries... Give him all of next season IMO... We've still to see HBA alongside our January recruits...

 

How about simply 'we've got the type of players to play a passing/moving game and we don't do it'. Is that fair?

 

Not at a very high pace we haven't... Last time we had players for that style was under SBR... We've very little creativity in the team without a fit HBA...

 

Cabaye, Marveuax and Anita can all do it. You're talking nonsense.

 

Wayne Routledge can do it too 

[Dokko]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

[Dr Venkman]

I keep reading this "we have players capable of much more"... With regards to our team... Makes me think of the national media talking about the England team... Yet after several top managers we ain't any better and we all know its because our players are hyped... Not sure we would be if we changed manager... Will that magically give our players greater pace and passing ability and aerial strength and suffer from less injuries... Give him all of next season IMO... We've still to see HBA alongside our January recruits...

 

How about simply 'we've got the type of players to play a passing/moving game and we don't do it'. Is that fair?

 

Not at a very high pace we haven't... Last time we had players for that style was under SBR... We've very little creativity in the team without a fit HBA...

 

Cabaye, Marveuax and Anita can all do it. You're talking nonsense.

 

Wayne Routledge can do it too 

 

[BottledDog]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

Not sure why you feel a few more games would dramatically change peoples view on either side of the argument.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

 

Good lord.

[Spudil]

All this Pardew discussion generated by scraping a last minute winner at home to Fulham in a must win game to pull away from the relegation scrap?

 

It's utterly ridiculous, and if anything should highlight why he should go- not stay.

 

 

[Spudil]

I keep reading this "we have players capable of much more"... With regards to our team... Makes me think of the national media talking about the England team... Yet after several top managers we ain't any better and we all know its because our players are hyped... Not sure we would be if we changed manager... Will that magically give our players greater pace and passing ability and aerial strength and suffer from less injuries... Give him all of next season IMO... We've still to see HBA alongside our January recruits...

 

How about simply 'we've got the type of players to play a passing/moving game and we don't do it'. Is that fair?

 

Not at a very high pace we haven't... Last time we had players for that style was under SBR... We've very little creativity in the team without a fit HBA...

 

Cabaye, Marveuax and Anita can all do it. You're talking nonsense.

 

Wayne Routledge can do it too 

 

 

You'll have to elaborate lad, why are you expressing anguish?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I liked Routledge, thought it was an error to let him go so quickly.

[Ronaldo]

I liked Routledge, thought it was an error to let him go so quickly.

 

Yes. A fair few of us said it at the time too. Stupid, stupid thing to do replacing him with Obertan from a financial and playing perspective.

[Dr Venkman]

I keep reading this "we have players capable of much more"... With regards to our team... Makes me think of the national media talking about the England team... Yet after several top managers we ain't any better and we all know its because our players are hyped... Not sure we would be if we changed manager... Will that magically give our players greater pace and passing ability and aerial strength and suffer from less injuries... Give him all of next season IMO... We've still to see HBA alongside our January recruits...

 

How about simply 'we've got the type of players to play a passing/moving game and we don't do it'. Is that fair?

 

Not at a very high pace we haven't... Last time we had players for that style was under SBR... We've very little creativity in the team without a fit HBA...

 

Cabaye, Marveuax and Anita can all do it. You're talking nonsense.

 

Wayne Routledge can do it too 

 

 

You'll have to elaborate lad, why are you expressing anguish?

 

Apologies, I took your post completely the wrong way.

[Spudil]

ah, no bother man

[AyeDubbleYoo]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

 

Fuck me.

[Dokko]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

 

Fuck me.

 

I know I know, in lala land Pardew is a great manager, shame not all of us live there. Thought you weren't going to respond to me any more after being outed as a fascist sympathiser?

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

 

Fuck me.

 

I know I know, in lala land Pardew is a great manager, shame not all of us live there. Thought you weren't going to respond to me any more after being outed as a fascist sympathiser?

 

 

Come on, even if you believe 100% that Pardew isn't the right man (which I know you do, I get it), it's absolutely mental to slam everyone who believes the manager should be given another chance after the two seasons so far.

[Dokko]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

 

Fuck me.

 

I know I know, in lala land Pardew is a great manager, shame not all of us live there. Thought you weren't going to respond to me any more after being outed as a fascist sympathiser?

 

 

Come on, even if you believe 100% that Pardew isn't the right man (which I know you do, I get it), it's absolutely mental to slam everyone who believes the manager should be given another chance after the two seasons so far.

 

Piss taking aside, I couldn't think of anything more stupid than backing him for another season. I'm dreading him being here, it actually makes me feel sick the thought of the smarmy fucker standing there talking bollocks trying to blame everyone else for his failings while the likes of yourself and others on here finally start to understand we've outgrown him and he's not only holding us back but dragging us down. By then though it'll be another season we will have to write off and another year some several class players will miss out on good football and being competitive and those that are left and haven't want to move on finally do.

 

That's the future under Pardew, can't believe some people are so willingly ready to embrace it, even people such as yourself who only try to look at the positives in any situation.

 

BTW don't start with the 'i get it' bollocks, i was trying to say leave off pardew for now and wait till the end of the season.

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

I just dislike the way you make it about player exoduses and 'wasted seasons' when in fact everything like that in football is a gradual scale between success and failure.

[Dokko]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

I think the change of approach from Ashley is in order to create stability and because they have found a manager they can work with. I doubt they have the expertise to know whether he's the right person for the job, but they believe he's good enough to stick with for a prolonged period.

[Dokko]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

I think the change of approach from Ashley is in order to create stability and because they have found a manager they can work with. I doubt they have the expertise to know whether he's the right person for the job, but they believe he's good enough to stick with for a prolonged period.

 

Is just about surviving in the league with a top ten squad good enough to stick with long term?

[Flip]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

 

f*** me.

 

I know I know, in lala land Pardew is a great manager, shame not all of us live there. Thought you weren't going to respond to me any more after being outed as a fascist sympathiser?

 

 

Come on, even if you believe 100% that Pardew isn't the right man (which I know you do, I get it), it's absolutely mental to slam everyone who believes the manager should be given another chance after the two seasons so far.

 

p*ss taking aside, I couldn't think of anything more stupid than backing him for another season. I'm dreading him being here, it actually makes me feel sick the thought of the smarmy f***er standing there talking bollocks trying to blame everyone else for his failings while the likes of yourself and others on here finally start to understand we've outgrown him and he's not only holding us back but dragging us down. By then though it'll be another season we will have to write off and another year some several class players will miss out on good football and being competitive and those that are left and haven't want to move on finally do.

 

That's the future under Pardew, can't believe some people are so willingly ready to embrace it, even people such as yourself who only try to look at the positives in any situation.

 

BTW don't start with the 'i get it' bollocks, i was trying to say leave off pardew for now and wait till the end of the season.

 

 

I agree with a lot of your sentiments. I think that it's vital the club takes a new direction come this summer. I think we have outgrown Pardew as a team and I am happy for what ''he'' did last season. But this season has been as bad if not worse than the Souness era and that is just unimaginable in my head. I've been disgusted by so many performances by us that I don't think he should be our manager as I have almost no faith in him.

 

One of the biggest reason for me not liking him is that he's a charming guy who's managing ability is overshadowed by personality. He has done very little since he arrived at the club to prove he's a top class manager, the fifth place came after an incredible start to the season where the team just couldn't concede and then when we were declining he just threw on Benny and our season turned again. Without Ben Arfa there's no doubt in my mind that we would've been a mid-table team once again. This is my opinion and obviously it isn't shared by everyone in here, and I understand some want to give him another season. I just can't bear another season of terribly unexciting weekends.

 

I mean even European football has been disappointing footballing wise and we could've easily gone out to Metalist or Anzhi. And I could easily seen people calling for his head just like me had Cisse not scored three times in the space of a month in the 90+ minute.

[Dokko]

HTT talks a lot of truth, just his timing is off after that massive win. Just enjoy it and pick the bones of Pardew's carcass at the end of the season. It's what I'm waiting for, unless you think we should sack him now, which I believe would be a disaster.

 

No, sacking him now would be daft. Even I know that much.

 

Then I agree with what you are saying, just your timing is off. People can't see past their noses, end of the season when all we've got to show for it is a bottom half finish and our top players being linked to other clubs, then people will start looking at the bigger picture.

 

Oddly enough, it seems to me that looking at the bigger picture is precisely why people are finding it reasonable to see Pardew start another season.

 

If you back Pardew for another season, you deserve to see us relegated.

 

f*** me.

 

I know I know, in lala land Pardew is a great manager, shame not all of us live there. Thought you weren't going to respond to me any more after being outed as a fascist sympathiser?

 

 

Come on, even if you believe 100% that Pardew isn't the right man (which I know you do, I get it), it's absolutely mental to slam everyone who believes the manager should be given another chance after the two seasons so far.

 

p*ss taking aside, I couldn't think of anything more stupid than backing him for another season. I'm dreading him being here, it actually makes me feel sick the thought of the smarmy f***er standing there talking bollocks trying to blame everyone else for his failings while the likes of yourself and others on here finally start to understand we've outgrown him and he's not only holding us back but dragging us down. By then though it'll be another season we will have to write off and another year some several class players will miss out on good football and being competitive and those that are left and haven't want to move on finally do.

 

That's the future under Pardew, can't believe some people are so willingly ready to embrace it, even people such as yourself who only try to look at the positives in any situation.

 

BTW don't start with the 'i get it' bollocks, i was trying to say leave off pardew for now and wait till the end of the season.

 

 

I agree with a lot of your sentiments. I think that it's vital the club takes a new direction come this summer. I think we have outgrown Pardew as a team and I am happy for what ''he'' did last season. But this season has been as bad if not worse than the Souness era and that is just unimaginable in my head. I've been disgusted by so many performances by us that I don't think he should be our manager as I have almost no faith in him.

 

One of the biggest reason for me not liking him is that he's a charming guy who's managing ability is overshadowed by personality. He has done very little since he arrived at the club to prove he's a top class manager, the fifth place came after an incredible start to the season where the team just couldn't concede and then when we were declining he just threw on Benny and our season turned again. Without Ben Arfa there's no doubt in my mind that we would've been a mid-table team once again. This is my opinion and obviously it isn't shared by everyone in here, and I understand some want to give him another season. I just can't bear another season of terribly unexciting weekends.

 

I mean even European football has been disappointing footballing wise and we could've easily gone out to Metalist or Anzhi. And I could easily seen people calling for his head just like me had Cisse not scored three times in the space of a month in the 90+ minute.

 

Even in this shit season he's rode his luck, incredible. 

 

In my lifetime as a supporter we've had 3 good squads, under keegan, under bobby and now. This squad under either of those managers (or equal quality) and we'd be buzzing our tits off, we'd all genuinely believe we had a chance of bringing home that Europa cup and qualify for it next year. Instead were scrapping it out to stay in the division. Maybe these players aren't good enough and are bottom of the table quality, maybe that's the problem and Pardew really is a manager up against all odss to keep us here. If that's the case then welcome the offers for them, sell them and buy some players he can work with in his remaining 7 years. 7 fucking years man, its enough to me you cry, and I don't want to have to wait another 7 years to see a squad as good again only to do something daft and employ someone not capable and they ruin it again.

 

 

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

I think the change of approach from Ashley is in order to create stability and because they have found a manager they can work with. I doubt they have the expertise to know whether he's the right person for the job, but they believe he's good enough to stick with for a prolonged period.

 

Is just about surviving in the league with a top ten squad good enough to stick with long term?

 

No, if that happened long term it would obviously be unacceptable.

[Dokko]

Your position is clear, it's a fair enough stance. I just think it's a bit extreme. But I have had managers I hated irrationally too (Allardyce for example).

 

Maybe I am extreme, that's me but even I said leave off him till the end of the season. The only thing that would convince me to keep him on for next season is winning the Europa which isn't going to happen. For me he ranks alongside Allardyce & Souness only he has a bit more style, suave and bullshitting abilities. He's not as self centred as Allardyce i'll give you that as well, but personalities aside and concentrating fully on the football, very little separate these plums and what I cannot understand it the board over this while they sack one at great cost, they give the other a daft contract, maybe they too are sold on his diet of bullshit and deflection abilities, I just know i'm not.

 

 

I think the change of approach from Ashley is in order to create stability and because they have found a manager they can work with. I doubt they have the expertise to know whether he's the right person for the job, but they believe he's good enough to stick with for a prolonged period.

 

Is just about surviving in the league with a top ten squad good enough to stick with long term?

 

No, if that happened long term it would obviously be unacceptable.

 

What is long-term then, the whole 7 years? Wonder how many careers will have been wasted during that time?

 

We need to keep progressing if we want to keep our best players and add new ones, even one year is a long time in football, too long to stick with a fraud in hope he comes good.

 

 

[NUFC]

He's still getting a lot of stick based on earlier in the season in my view. Since the Norwich game (when he got his first new recruit) we've got 16 points from 11 games. If you applied that kind of form to the rest of the season we'd be at least 8th in the league.

 

Overall Form: 12th

Last 6 matches: 12th

Home Form: 7th

Away Form: 15th