Guest BooBoo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Not at all. Are you not at all concerned by our inability to retain possession? And do you think Pardew is currently getting the best out of what he has got at his disposal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Stray passing and ball retention is worrying; this gets confounded further when we're relying on those less confident on the ball. With Williamson no doubt in next game this furthers this problem. Colo is a massive component of our distribution and retention. If the others don't buck thei ideas up I can't see us getting much out of the next few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The main complaint on here is that he plays 442 when we all think he should play 433... We can't complain about his team selection today? Everybody moans about simpson and he left him out, played a 433ish format... I wonder if he reads this forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Not at all. Are you not at all concerned by our inability to retain possession? And do you think Pardew is currently getting the best out of what he has got at his disposal? Possession is undoubtably a concern. As for what Pardew has at his disposal; I'd say we're a top half side with a handful of top players who massively overachieved last season. I personally feel we over rate some of our players such as Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote. A fair finish for this squad would be between 7th-9th. To finish 5th last year was incredible and considering we didn't really push on in the summer with transfers, i never really thought we'd match it this year. I reckon we'll finish 8th, do fairly well in the EL and I think that will represent a pretty good season. The bar has been raised very high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The main complaint on here is that he plays 442 when we all think he should play 433... We can't complain about his team selection today? Everybody moans about simpson and he left him out, played a 433ish format... I wonder if he reads this forum? I'm not sure playing Cisse on the wing counts as playing a genuine 4-3-3. I think I preferred Gutierrez out there, at least he's a genuine wide player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Sorry, I didn't realise that injuries to Ba,Taylor,Cabaye,Perch and the sending off of Colo was "within our control". Ending the game with nine men and a crock must have been the plan. Haway man, everyone knows you've got it in for Pardew and you're entitled to that opinion but some of your arguments are just plain daft. Ba just pulled up with what looked like the same injury as he had last weekend, I didn't see anything to cause it today and I didn't see Cabaye pick up an injury. Taylor looked to have nothing more than cramp and seemed OK at the end. As for Coloccini getting carded, that had little to do with Pardew but if we're inviting teams on to us we're going to pick up more cards than we would if we were going at them which is fairly straight forward and obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The main complaint on here is that he plays 442 when we all think he should play 433... We can't complain about his team selection today? Everybody moans about simpson and he left him out, played a 433ish format... I wonder if he reads this forum? I'm not sure playing Cisse on the wing counts as playing a genuine 4-3-3. I think I preferred Gutierrez out there, at least he's a genuine wide player. He's genuinely s*** out there, especially when in the final third. Sammy, Obertan, Ba and even Ferguson are far better shouts for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Horseshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The main complaint on here is that he plays 442 when we all think he should play 433... We can't complain about his team selection today? Everybody moans about simpson and he left him out, played a 433ish format... I wonder if he reads this forum? In thought we was far too negative after going in front and we asked for trouble but other than that i can't complain too much and i definitely can't complain with the result. As i said the next 5 fixtures are all very winnable lets take stock and see where we are after those games as we could easily be in a very good position. I don't think Cisse can play out wide mind, Ba can but he doesn't seem to want to so i think in the long term we might need to try and get a wide player with an eye for goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Not at all. Are you not at all concerned by our inability to retain possession? And do you think Pardew is currently getting the best out of what he has got at his disposal? Possession is undoubtably a concern. As for what Pardew has at his disposal; I'd say we're a top half side with a handful of top players who massively overachieved last season. I personally feel we over rate some of our players such as Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote. A fair finish for this squad would be between 7th-9th. To finish 5th last year was incredible and considering we didn't really push on in the summer with transfers, i never really thought we'd match it this year. I reckon we'll finish 8th, do fairly well in the EL and I think that will represent a pretty good season. The bar has been raised very high. Very good post! I agree with this a lot, have a look at what players we have that could make a top four team and we should get a dose of reality: Krul Colo Cabaye Then we have top eight players: Tiote HBA Cisse BA Santon Jonas Saylor We deffo need to get some reality into our predictions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 The main complaint on here is that he plays 442 when we all think he should play 433... We can't complain about his team selection today? Everybody moans about simpson and he left him out, played a 433ish format... I wonder if he reads this forum? I'm not sure playing Cisse on the wing counts as playing a genuine 4-3-3. I think I preferred Gutierrez out there, at least he's a genuine wide player. He's genuinely s*** out there, especially when in the final third. Sammy, Obertan, Ba and even Ferguson are far better shouts for it. Well then play one of them then. Cisse's not a winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Not at all. Are you not at all concerned by our inability to retain possession? And do you think Pardew is currently getting the best out of what he has got at his disposal? Possession is undoubtably a concern. As for what Pardew has at his disposal; I'd say we're a top half side with a handful of top players who massively overachieved last season. I personally feel we over rate some of our players such as Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote. A fair finish for this squad would be between 7th-9th. To finish 5th last year was incredible and considering we didn't really push on in the summer with transfers, i never really thought we'd match it this year. I reckon we'll finish 8th, do fairly well in the EL and I think that will represent a pretty good season. The bar has been raised very high. Very good post! I agree with this a lot, have a look at what players we have that could make a top four team and we should get a dose of reality: Krul Colo Cabaye Then we have top eight players: Tiote HBA Cisse BA Santon Jonas Saylor We deffo need to get some reality into our predictions. Q: Who's saying we can/should be able to get into the top four with this squad? A: See thread title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Pards is a master of positive spin. I'm sure he felt let down with the summer. After what he achieved, he deserved to be backed and probably deep down knows the CL is well beyond this squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Q: Who's saying we can/should be able to get into the top four with this squad? A: See thread title. It's laughable, the only person to claim it is the person being defended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Not at all. Are you not at all concerned by our inability to retain possession? And do you think Pardew is currently getting the best out of what he has got at his disposal? Possession is undoubtably a concern. As for what Pardew has at his disposal; I'd say we're a top half side with a handful of top players who massively overachieved last season. I personally feel we over rate some of our players such as Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote. A fair finish for this squad would be between 7th-9th. To finish 5th last year was incredible and considering we didn't really push on in the summer with transfers, i never really thought we'd match it this year. I reckon we'll finish 8th, do fairly well in the EL and I think that will represent a pretty good season. The bar has been raised very high. Very good post! I agree with this a lot, have a look at what players we have that could make a top four team and we should get a dose of reality: Krul Colo Cabaye Then we have top eight players: Tiote HBA Cisse BA Santon Jonas Saylor We deffo need to get some reality into our predictions. Q: Who's saying we can/should be able to get into the top four with this squad? A: See thread title. Well aware of the thread title but want to make the point that Pards can only make a meal with the ingredients at his disposal and people are wanting "haute cuisine" performances from the team week in week out... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Not at all. Are you not at all concerned by our inability to retain possession? And do you think Pardew is currently getting the best out of what he has got at his disposal? Possession is undoubtably a concern. As for what Pardew has at his disposal; I'd say we're a top half side with a handful of top players who massively overachieved last season. I personally feel we over rate some of our players such as Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote. A fair finish for this squad would be between 7th-9th. To finish 5th last year was incredible and considering we didn't really push on in the summer with transfers, i never really thought we'd match it this year. I reckon we'll finish 8th, do fairly well in the EL and I think that will represent a pretty good season. The bar has been raised very high. Very good post! I agree with this a lot, have a look at what players we have that could make a top four team and we should get a dose of reality: Krul Colo Cabaye Then we have top eight players: Tiote HBA Cisse BA Santon Jonas Saylor We deffo need to get some reality into our predictions. Q: Who's saying we can/should be able to get into the top four with this squad? A: See thread title. Well aware of the thread title but want to make the point that Pards can only make a meal with the ingredients at his disposal and people are wanting "haute cuisine" performances from the team week in week out... Bollocks man. If Swansea can knock the ball around are we that incapable? No one's asking for nutmegs and overhead kicks, just some basic passing and ball retention that most half decent sides can manage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Another positive I'm taking so far this season, is that of the 5 draws, only Everton did we deserve to lose. Reading & Villa were poor but still should have really won, Sunderland & Liverpool were pretty similar as well. I think these draws are more likely to turn to wins as we go on. Plus we don't seem prone to a hiding like we were last season by mid-table/bottom-half clubs (Fulham, Wigan, etc). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 You missed out: Good performances: nothing to do with Pardew. Good signings: nothing to do with Pardew. Any wins: Nowt to do with Pardew, just individual brilliance. Not at all. Are you not at all concerned by our inability to retain possession? And do you think Pardew is currently getting the best out of what he has got at his disposal? Possession is undoubtably a concern. As for what Pardew has at his disposal; I'd say we're a top half side with a handful of top players who massively overachieved last season. I personally feel we over rate some of our players such as Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote. A fair finish for this squad would be between 7th-9th. To finish 5th last year was incredible and considering we didn't really push on in the summer with transfers, i never really thought we'd match it this year. I reckon we'll finish 8th, do fairly well in the EL and I think that will represent a pretty good season. The bar has been raised very high. Very good post! I agree with this a lot, have a look at what players we have that could make a top four team and we should get a dose of reality: Krul Colo Cabaye Then we have top eight players: Tiote HBA Cisse BA Santon Jonas Saylor We deffo need to get some reality into our predictions. Q: Who's saying we can/should be able to get into the top four with this squad? A: See thread title. Well aware of the thread title but want to make the point that Pards can only make a meal with the ingredients at his disposal and people are wanting "haute cuisine" performances from the team week in week out... Bollocks man. If Swansea can knock the ball around are we that incapable? No one's asking for nutmegs and overhead kicks, just some basic passing and ball retention that most half decent sides can manage. Of course we are capable! I honestly don't think it's worth doing if you don't have the players who are constantly moving and have good technique as well as vision. You can see what Liverpool want to do now and the players they play in midfield, all of which like the ball and can pass and move well. Today was a good example. I don't think we have as many "ball players" as people think we have to play this type of tikki takka style, maybes Cabaye, colo, HBA and Jonas could be ones apt for this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. But we have against that type of team, that's why people are getting annoyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 It's impossible to take seriously the views of the Pardew haters, because everything they say is given an unnecessary and rather daft negative spin. Poor results: Pardew's fault. Poor performances: Pardews fault. Poor decisions going against us: Pardew's fault. Injuries: Pardew's fault. Sending offs: Pardew's fault. Ashley not strengthening: Pardew's fault. It's as laughable as it is excruciatingly boring. good points, i can understand the criticism of the turgid one dimensional approach from pardew. but the rest is too much. The rest of what? Most of the complaints are about the turgid one dimensional football. how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. But we have against that type of team, that's why people are getting annoyed. thats fair enough but not today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. Liverpool at Anfield have won one in six, more teams have won at Anfield than Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 how were you expecting us to play today? just turn up and roll them over? this was liverpool at anfield, not some relegation fodder team. had we played like we did today vs a team stuck near the bottom of the table then yeah ok i can understand but we didnt. yes we didnt keep the ball very well, but we dont do that even vs teams that are below LFC's standard, so there's no surprise there. so for you to expect us to go to lfc and play well considering how s*** we already been all season is a bit strange to me. That was a result for us. Liverpool at Anfield have won one in six, more teams have won at Anfield than Liverpool. lets balance things out if want to use stats, this season nufc before entering anfield , havent won a single match away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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