Guest Dontooner Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Probably going to loose alot of players come the end of the season. At least we will buy youth and buy well. 8 years of rebuilding and scrapping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Absolute joke. Same mistakes again and again. One dimensional shit. Fucking sort it out man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Otter this has been coming since last year though. The concerns that were being screamed for most of last season are the ones that are the problem at the moment. I cannot believe anyone thinks this hasn't been coming. Last season was great in terms of results but nobody can tell me we were a really good side or that we didn't churn out some very rotten performances. Functional and clinical is about it. Yep there were plenty of people voicing these concerns last season whereas others were just happy to be picking up the points. If you don't address these issues then this is what happens. Yep. The old thread's gone now but even last season there were plenty of people who were uneasy about some aspects of our style but they got shouted down because the results were good. HTT for example was ridiculed but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out that the best football teams simply don't play this way. It's great for a limited fat cunt like Allardyce punching above his (considerable) weight, but for a team that has real ambition you need genuine quality football, not championship clogger shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Pardew's Gameplan imo: 1. Hoof. 2. Pass it to HBA, who probably has more input to our attacking plans than Pards does. 3. Hoof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Absolutely dominated in the centre yet again, this is basic stuff here and Pards has even mentioned it in interviews. Anita and Cabaye are good players in their own right but are NOT 2 man midfielders. The centre today provided little protection, little imagination, no attacking penetration and didn't even pick up second balls. It's an absolute shambles, Diame ran us ragged for 70 minutes and they happily passed it around us too, meaning our 2 men were chasing shadows, we're simply not physical enough for it. This has been our biggest problem all year and a massive reason as to why we've been so poor, it makes us so predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Fixtures Results. There's a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Are there any sides at the top end of European football still playing a rigid 4-4-2 towards two goalscorers the way we do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It has rather baffling for all the Pardew patter about studying Mourinho and being forward thinking as a manager, he still relies on a rather antiquated 442. The only way 442 works these days is if you have a Carroll esque striker who can provide a bit of strength and hold the ball up. The only player we have remotely like that is, sigh, Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Are there any sides at the top end of European football still playing a rigid 4-4-2 towards two goalscorers the way we do? People try and pretend ManU do. But they don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Are there any sides at the top end of European football still playing a rigid 4-4-2 towards two goalscorers the way we do? Can't think of any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Are there any sides at the top end of European football still playing a rigid 4-4-2 towards two goalscorers the way we do? A lot of the time Man Utd play a diamond 4-4-2- which is fluid and flexible, although 4-2-3-1 is a common line up from Ferguson too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 It has rather baffling for all the Pardew patter about studying Mourinho and being forward thinking as a manager, he still relies on a rather antiquated 442. The only way 442 works these days is if you have a Carroll esque striker who can provide a bit of strength and hold the ball up. The only player we have remotely like that is, sigh, Shola. He wants Carroll back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Are there any sides at the top end of European football still playing a rigid 4-4-2 towards two goalscorers the way we do? No and it's fucking laughable that he insists on playing it. Our 2 central midfielders don't even have designated positions, Anita was further forward more than Cabaye today, why? One's clearly a defensive player while the other is offensively minded. Disorganised shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 There were a lot of games won last year from flashes of brilliance from Ba, Cisse or Hatem. The balance and chance creation of the side is so poor if we don't score from the handful of chances we do create it all falls apart quick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I've been pretty relaxed all season thinking we had simply made a slow start, I feel like I've snapped today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 4-4-2 is fine, but you need movement from pretty much everyone bar the CBs. We are not moving into space, resulting in a shit long ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 If they haven't already our key players are going to be looking for moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 4-4-2 is fine, but you need movement from pretty much everyone bar the CBs. We are not moving into space, resulting in a s*** long ball. It's not really that simple though, how the hell were Cabaye and Anita going to compete with Diame today? You actually need really well rounded players and some organisation in attack, not 2 specialist midfielders chasing the ball and not knowing when to make a move forward. We just don't have the personnel for it, even with Tiote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 He's just been given an 8 year contract. Why isn't there a philosophy being introduced and ingrained into our academy? If I was him and had just been given an EIGHT YEAR contract I would be intent on doing that. If he was any sort of a good manager he'd be demanding that our younger teams are taught to play the game the correct way and all our teams play a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 for example, following the first team set up. The only input I've heard that he's had is that the under 18's cant take short corners- it has to go into the box. The same with all of our free kicks too. That just sums him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Zero fluidity. I can't see how this season turns itself around tbqh. Stop/Start. Injuries. Suspensions. Inconsistent Performances/Performers. I genuinely believe a top quality RB would have transformed our line up this year. The lack of investment seems to have really halted the bandwagon/good momentum of last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 There's no buzz or energy with us now, just dull and boring football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 4-4-2 is fine, but you need movement from pretty much everyone bar the CBs. We are not moving into space, resulting in a s*** long ball. It's not really that simple though, how the hell were Cabaye and Anita going to compete with Diame today? You actually need really well rounded players and some organisation in attack, not 2 specialist midfielders chasing the ball and not knowing when to make a move forward. We just don't have the personnel for it, even with Tiote. because apparently Jonas is the epitome of a man mountain in Pardew's genius book of football, but oh wait he got injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 He's just been given an 8 year contract. Why isn't there a philosophy being introduced and ingrained into our academy? If I was him and had just been given an EIGHT YEAR contract I would be intent on doing that. If he was any sort of a good manager he'd be demanding that our younger teams are taught to play the game the correct way and all our teams play a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 for example, following the first team set up. The only input I've heard that he's had is that the under 18's cant take short corners- it has to go into the box. The same with all of our free kicks too. That just sums him up. That last bit says it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Just out of curiosity what are people's "bare minimum" expectations this year? Would people accept a slump in the league position if it meant better football? I think I said top 8 and a decent run in the EL and anything less would be disappointing. Whilst things are poor tonight, I still think we'll achieve that. We won't get back into Europe though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Pardew man, please show your real face, and do not pretend to be something you are not! That is my biggest grudge with him. Stop lying to us and yourself. Carpet football, possession play, who the fuck are you kidding man. I believe we have some very good players in our squad, who can do so much better with some instructions. Or am i overestimating the lot of them? Oh, and that awkward moment when you realize your team is playing long balls against a Alladyce team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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