alexf Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I can't believe Pardew actually said that, have some respect to the bloke and he's the most likeable manager we had since KK, but these kind of comments make me turn against him. Hughton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Regardless of whether the stats are right, it's a very negative message to give to the players just before the game. It's like he himself has lost confidence. I can see heads dropping if we go behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We can't play 4-3-3 because the players aren't available? Why do we play it in Europe with our reserves then? He sounds more like Souness by the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The root of our problems is that we're a team based on stoping the opposition, change that mentality and so many of our problems would become easier to deal with, particularly the reduced time to prepare for matches. I can't really see us having an extended run of form again until Pardew sorts that issue out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Heartily sick of his bluster. Reading between the lines it sounds like he doesn't trust the player and it wouldn't surprise me if the feeling was mutual. He really, really needs a result soon or this pressure is going to grow and grow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 3 league defeats in a row and then going to stoke away desperate for a win would be scary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I just think it's a very defeatist attitude to take. If I were a Southampton player I'd be really looking forward to getting stuck into our tired opposition today. It gives the opposition that little boost, we've already lost the mental battle. I agree and that's what's pissing me off with him, he's so negative. Fatigue is bullshit, we had to play in the Intertoto under Bobby and we played 6 competitive games before the season had even started. By the end of the season we'd played 53 competitive games and finished 4th which qualified us for the Champions League. I don’t remember Bobby planting seeds in the heads of the players what we were fatigued. Our last 10 league games of that season brought us 1 defeat away to Liverpool, we drew 4 of those games and won 5, one of those games was a 6-2 win against Everton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Does Pardew know about our long ball stats since he loves his stats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Mick, I am not going to argue for Pardew but just basically it is ridiculous to expect the player performing equally well when having more matches. It is not "a pro should be" blah blah blah. Just think if you have to work overtime for a few days would you guarantee your quality.of work would remain the same? your work may still get pass your boss though, but the quality must be affected. To me fatigue is a fucking valid reason given our tiny as shit squad. I feel ashamed for that when I know Ranger is allowed to back to squad.Fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Would love to know what Pardew's own ambitions are for the side this year if he's coming out with those comments. We spend an entire season aiming to get into Europe, we get there, then all he does is bitch and moan about it being a strain on the players. Would he rather we not be in Europe at all? If we were not, would results have been any different? Fwiw I think Pardew was more than happy to toe the party line in the summer when we didn't bring anyone in. Now the shit is hitting the fan it's a useful excuse. That's not to say I don't disagree with his rhetoric regarding squad size btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don't remember much bother with two games a week in the Championship season. Bloke's a proper fraud. In the Championship, we did have the huge benefit of being by far and away the best team in the division though. Knowing the squad had Europe this season and not making the necessary moves in the transfer market was a huge mistake. There are ways to balance the League and Europe, it just requires hard work and commitment. It's easy to hide behind these stats and it's probably the right move, rather than coming out and saying we simply haven't been good enough. Hopefully, on the training ground and the dressing room he isn't taking these stats seriously and each player is being given the correct information and advice to improve. I would argue that bit in bold - After the relegation it probably put a lot more pressure on the team to come straight back up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Would love to know what Pardew's own ambitions are for the side this year if he's coming out with those comments. We spend an entire season aiming to get into Europe, we get there, then all he does is bitch and moan about it being a strain on the players. Would he rather we not be in Europe at all? If we were not, would results have been any different? Fwiw I think Pardew was more than happy to toe the party line in the summer when we didn't bring anyone in. Now the s*** is hitting the fan it's a useful excuse. That's not to say I don't disagree with his rhetoric regarding squad size btw. I think interpolic is correct re this switch in tone. Pardew probably feel fucking pissed off behind the scene and start to speak out his real mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Fuck the europa and fatigue garbage. 'Running faster and winning headers' is the scariest part of that article. Where's the free flowing, passing game, Alan? No, just run and win headers. Kick it long and sprint up the pitch basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I just think it's a very defeatist attitude to take. If I were a Southampton player I'd be really looking forward to getting stuck into our tired opposition today. It gives the opposition that little boost, we've already lost the mental battle. I agree and that's what's pissing me off with him, he's so negative. Fatigue is bullshit, we had to play in the Intertoto under Bobby and we played 6 competitive games before the season had even started. By the end of the season we'd played 53 competitive games and finished 4th which qualified us for the Champions League. I don’t remember Bobby planting seeds in the heads of the players what we were fatigued. Our last 10 league games of that season brought us 1 defeat away to Liverpool, we drew 4 of those games and won 5, one of those games was a 6-2 win against Everton. This was just before the post-Championship Manager tactical/statistical analysis boom which completely changed the way managers think about the game. I remember Shearer getting rested against West Brom in the cup one year and he said something like "I wasn't raised to have games off" but players are raised like that now. They're told they are tired so they believe it. Telling them BEFORE the game and IN PUBLIC is insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I feel so torn over this, on the one hand I was really won over by Pardew at the end of last season after being unsure of him initially. The much lauded 6 game streak that saw us playing really well seemed to cap off a season that was built on being solid and relying on our two clinical strikers to win us the game. Now though its clear that we haven't built on that solidity and that Pardew hasn't sought to find a system that suits our clinical strikers. Part of me wants stability and just to ride it out, but part of me (my eyes) can see how bad we are and being honest, how bad we were for big parts of last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 'Running faster and winning headers' is the scariest part of that article. He's like a shit PE teacher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Mick, I am not going to argue for Pardew but just basically it is ridiculous to expect the player performing equally well when having more matches. It is not "a pro should be" blah blah blah. Just think if you have to work overtime for a few days would you guarantee your quality.of work would remain the same? your work may still get pass your boss though, but the quality must be affected. To me fatigue is a f***ing valid reason given our tiny as s*** squad. I feel ashamed for that when I know Ranger is allowed to back to squad.f***ing hell. You're a sheep. In 2002-03 we played in the Champions League against Barcelona, Juventus and Inter to name just 3. After playing those shitty teams we had to play again 3 or 4 days later and guess what, we played 14 Champions League games. 3 or 4 days later we won 12 times and drew 2 without a single loss. People need to see through the s*** that Pardew is coming out with and think for themselves, of I forgot, the Europa Leauge is tougher isn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You compare that squad with what we have now? If we have a player as good as Acuna on bench I would not complain about squad depth. FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Mick, I am not going to argue for Pardew but just basically it is ridiculous to expect the player performing equally well when having more matches. It is not "a pro should be" blah blah blah. Just think if you have to work overtime for a few days would you guarantee your quality.of work would remain the same? your work may still get pass your boss though, but the quality must be affected. To me fatigue is a f***ing valid reason given our tiny as s*** squad. I feel ashamed for that when I know Ranger is allowed to back to squad.f***ing hell. You're a sheep. In 2003-04 we played in the Champions League against Barcelona, Juventus and Inter to name just 3. After playing those shitty teams we had to play again 3 or 4 days later and guess what, we played 14 Champions League games. 3 or 4 days later we won 12 times and drew 2 without a single loss. People need to see through the s*** that Pardew is coming out with and think for themselves, of I forgot, the Europa Leauge is tougher isn't it. 02/03 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You compare that squad with what we have now? If we have a player as good as Acuna on bench I would not complain about squad depth. FFS. The squad also included Quinn, McClen, Kerr, Chopra and Caldwell. I don't think any of our current squad sink to those levels especially when you compare playing Maritimo to playing against Juventus or Inter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 02/03 You're right, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Our centre backs at that time were also O'Brien and Bramble...not the best paring in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yup - excuses from Pardew for me, especially when he has 'rotated' so much for the Europa League. I'm bemused as to why the modern day footballer cannot play regularly 3 times in a week, or is it just me?! We all know the squad wasn't strong enough at the end of the summer window and for a man who said he would be 'banging on the owner's door', to get players in- it's bullshit. I still think he deserves some time to turn it around, but time and excuses are starting to wear thin. I wouldn't pay to watch us at the moment, as the football has been piss poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 02/03 You're right, sorry. Might add I completley agree with your point. The explanations and excuses of late - horseshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 You compare that squad with what we have now? If we have a player as good as Acuna on bench I would not complain about squad depth. FFS. The squad also included Quinn, McClen, Kerr, Chopra and Caldwell. I don't think any of our current squad sink to those levels especially when you compare playing Maritimo to playing against Juventus or Inter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002–03_Newcastle_United_F.C._season Read the squad list yourself. You know what, the saddest part is while you are suggesting Quinn and Chopra are shits I would even take them now. Fergie is our backup left back. Sammy is starting eleven now. what the fuck. Even Bigi is far from Jenas' standard back at that time. Give up man. Our Squad depth was simply ridiculous, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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