Tachikoma Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 it really has gone beyond, who should play where and what formations. I'm convinced a few games back that is the case. And the players have lost the confidence of their manager, it's the only explanation why the majority of the team fails to even complete the basics of the game. In the back of their heads every game they play its saying... "That man in our dugout really shouldn't be there" You're probably right, but when he does set up the team the way people have been talking about (i.e. anything but the 4-4-2 and 4-5-1) we've looked infinitely better for it. The players can still deliver, he just refuses to let them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Any more excuses to add to the list? Didn't get rub of the green? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Any more excuses to add to the list? Didn't get rub of the green? Only 10 days left before the end of the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I couldn't stop laughing that within 2 minutes of us scoring he was shouting at "Hatem" to get back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Most people don't remember how shit we were for a lot of games last season, too. Without Cisse (especially) and Ben Arfa in the second of last season we wouldn't have been bailed out half as much. Wolves, (A), Blackburn (A), Bolton (H), Wigan (H), QPR (H), Villa (H), mackems (debatable) (H), were all very lucky results that were ground out due to moments of excellence from individuals. All of which we were stumped ideas as we resorted to long ball 'tactics'. He winged last season. Fucking winged it. He's getting found out now and his true colours are shining now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Off to bed , going to have a serious hang over later.... But its all good if i wake up to News that Alan Pardew got the sack . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I can get what some people are saying about us having improved in the last few games, but the fact is in the last 3 we've picked up 3 points (playing against 10 men at home fwiw). That is still relegation form. And it would have been hard to have got worse than the 3 previous games (0 points). Those are fake positives in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't think tonight puts Pardew in a worse position than before really. We played decent football but were careless and wasteful and too easy to get at sometimes. I was annoyed at Ben Arfa going off, but I assume it was a fitness thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 He said the other day that "nothing has gone our way this season". Has it fuck! No Alan, realise that you've set us back 10 years and kindly fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I still rate him. As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong. With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it. The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten. We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able to forge an effective partnership with him. He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton. Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season. Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive. Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Claims our attacking play was "excellent" on nufcTV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 He said the other day that "nothing has gone our way this season". Has it fuck! No Alan, realise that you've set us back 10 years and kindly fuck off. Get a grip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Hi Alan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Does he sleep well at night with all these fraud excuses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't think tonight puts Pardew in a worse position than before really. We played decent football but were careless and wasteful and too easy to get at sometimes. I was annoyed at Ben Arfa going off, but I assume it was a fitness thing. We were playing Fulham, a team who has been out of form for weeks and we still couldn't get anything from the game. He's got to be in a worse position when added to his pathetic outburst from earlier today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I still rate him. As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong. With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it. The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten. We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able to forge an effective partnership with him. He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton. Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season. Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive. Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread. Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 That's a fair point, I thought Fulham were pretty shit today. This was a game for the taking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't think tonight puts Pardew in a worse position than before really. We played decent football but were careless and wasteful and too easy to get at sometimes. I was annoyed at Ben Arfa going off, but I assume it was a fitness thing. We were playing Fulham, a team who has been out of form for weeks and we still couldn't get anything from the game. He's got to be in a worse position when added to his pathetic outburst from earlier today. We should have got something out of the game though. We didn't obviously, but that was down to a deflected shot, giving away a soft freekick and a bit of bad luck hitting the woodwork multiple times. Obviously his position will be worse now because of a defeat, but I don't think he showed anything that should make the fans dislike him any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I still rate him. As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong. With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it. The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten. We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able to forge an effective partnership with him. He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton. Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season. Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive. Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread. Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying. How terrible are people saying he is? Terrible enough to have us in a relegation fight? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Our worst winless away run in 20 years btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't think tonight puts Pardew in a worse position than before really. We played decent football but were careless and wasteful and too easy to get at sometimes. I was annoyed at Ben Arfa going off, but I assume it was a fitness thing. We were playing Fulham, a team who has been out of form for weeks and we still couldn't get anything from the game. He's got to be in a worse position when added to his pathetic outburst from earlier today. We should have got something out of the game though. We didn't obviously, but that was down to a deflected shot, giving away a soft freekick and a bit of bad luck hitting the woodwork multiple times. Obviously his position will be worse now because of a defeat, but I don't think he showed anything that should make the fans dislike him any more. we should get something out of a lot of games, the fact is.... we don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Should we fuck have got anything like. Every game we have a couple of half chances and the usual suspects claim it was a roaring success and that we've turned the corner and ignore the fact that Krul is pulling off at least two one-on-one saves a game that he has no right to make. No away wins and we're in the middle of December ffs. Wake up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I still rate him. As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong. With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it. The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten. We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able to forge an effective partnership with him. He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton. Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season. Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive. Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread. Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying. How terrible are people saying he is? Terrible enough to have us in a relegation fight? Well I don't know exactly, he seems to have been getting a lot of stick. You're conflating two things in the second question though, obviously we are in a bad situation in the league, but that doesn't automatically mean Pardew is a bad manager. Martinez is lauded for keeping Wigan up every season, when we finished fifth it didn't make Pardew amazing either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I still rate him. As he integrates Anita into the side we are playing better football. Hes an option for the back 4 to play it out to and we've launched it a lot less in the last 2 games as a result. I doubted Anita, but hes starting to prove me wrong. With the ball on the deck more Ba and Cisse are starting to show signs they can play together. There is still a long way to go here though, but credit to Pardew for not giving up on it. The intensity (and ability) of our midfield covered a multitude of deficiencies last year. Cabaye and Tiote consistently covered more ground than anyone on the pitch, and Jonas would run miles too. We would win 2nd balls, put sides under pressure and control the middle against all but the best teams. Consequently a team containing Obertan, Best, Simpson, Taylor went 11 unbeaten. We just haven't had that this season. But I think Tiote is starting to get back to what he was and Anita may be able to forge an effective partnership with him. He is showing too much loyalty to Jonas though, and it is costing us. Hopefully Marveaux can follow Anita into the side and complete an absolute turn around from their horror 1st half at Everton. Get Cabaye back and 1 or 2 players in January without losing anyone, and I'm hopeful we'll look very good for the cups and 2nd half of the season. Improved 2nd half performances make it clear the players are still playing for him, and I see plenty of signs of improvement and reasons to be positive. Really don't understand a lot of the criticism in this thread. Not a bad post at all. Some of things Pardew does annoy me (Jonas over Marv, the terrible set pieces) but in general he is nowhere near as terrible as people are saying. How terrible are people saying he is? Terrible enough to have us in a relegation fight? Well I don't know exactly, he seems to have been getting a lot of stick. You're conflating two things in the second question though, obviously we are in a bad situation in the league, but that doesn't automatically mean Pardew is a bad manager. Martinez is lauded for keeping Wigan up every season, when we finished fifth it didn't make Pardew amazing either. Comparing us to Wigan is cringe worthy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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