Alan Pardew

[maze]

We all - at least, 90% of us according to the poll - know that Pardew isn't up to the job after having 2 years at a club and his record proves that.

 

We all also know that he suits Llambias and Ashley down to the ground and for that reason - and that reason alone - he won't be going anywhere unless we lose against Reading and Villa because Ashley will then start worrying about the financial implications of relegation.

 

I just wonder how much humiliation is going to be heaped on the fans' heads before a large percentage finally lose patience and either walk or start getting on Pardew's back as well as the board.

 

Make no mistake, the admission of defeat by selection of a poor side against a second-rate club who did the same to us in the same stage of the Cup last season is shameful for a club the size of Newcastle United and even with the team selected we should have been able to get a result at Brighton, let alone be comprehensively beaten once again.

 

You can understand a club like Wigan having to make do and mend in order to try to stay in the PL, but one that regularly gets 50,000 through the gates ? Come on....

 

Whether people accept it or not, we are a laughing stock of a club currently - rubbished by Ferguson, Ba leaving and also denigrating us by implication, crawling back to get Debuchy after messing it up in the summer for a mess of pottage and meekly accepting defeat to Brighton...not to mention conceding 13 goals in 3 PL games.....

 

It has now got to the stage where you start thinking 'where to after this'?.....

 

Up until 1981, we held the joint record for the most FA Cup wins in the history of the competition with 6....now, there is nothing so sure that we will be out before the 5th round - in the 80s, a joke started which was to the effect that a tea-bag was in the cup longer than NUFC...you can see why this started.

 

It is hard to see an end to the sort of humiliation that the fans of the club have suffered over the past season and all that is left is a relegation battle and a hope that we don't get drawn against a decent side in Europe but unless we lose the 2 crucial games in the PL which are coming up, Pardew will still be here in April because the clowns at the top know nobody else worth having will join them - De Canio wouldn't last 5 minutes working under either of them.

 

... Like I've should have said it myself...

[thenige]

Laughing stock of a club? Give it a rest, the only reason we're anyone's laughing stock is because of some of the overreactions of our fans. Why the hell is it always sack the manager? Pardew almost got us a Champions League spot last year even if he did fail dismally in the cups.

 

We're in a pretty dismal run and we've played some crap this season but there's been a lot going on. He's been dreadfully handicapped by players who clearly aren't up to it (Williamson, Simpson) players who maybe haven't been playing for the team (Ba) and a player he's been trying to fit badly into a system (Cisse - who as a £10m man has to start, as did Ba, and they both failed in a 4-4-2 which left fans crying for a 4-3-3). We know the board hasn't backed him as we'd have liked, but why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once rather than always the manager?

 

I'd love to get a manager in who wants to play good football the right way (O'Driscoll is available now) but if we're totally honest we just don't have the players capable of doing that. With Cabaye missing for large chunks Tiote has tried to expand his passing range with disastrous results, and with Williamson and Simpson playing it from the back it's no wonder we've played a direct style utilising Ba's presence and first touch to bring others into the game.

 

Let's get behind the team and put all this bloody doom and gloom behind us. I have absolute faith we have the quality (if we sign a bloody CB to replace Willo) and the manager to turn this season around.

[Ash]

Laughing stock of a club? Give it a rest, the only reason we're anyone's laughing stock is because of some of the overreactions of our fans. Why the hell is it always sack the manager? Pardew almost got us a Champions League spot last year even if he did fail dismally in the cups.

 

We're in a pretty dismal run and we've played some crap this season but there's been a lot going on. He's been dreadfully handicapped by players who clearly aren't up to it (Williamson, Simpson) players who maybe haven't been playing for the team (Ba) and a player he's been trying to fit badly into a system (Cisse - who as a £10m man has to start, as did Ba, and they both failed in a 4-4-2 which left fans crying for a 4-3-3). We know the board hasn't backed him as we'd have liked, but why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once rather than always the manager?

 

I'd love to get a manager in who wants to play good football the right way (O'Driscoll is available now) but if we're totally honest we just don't have the players capable of doing that. With Cabaye missing for large chunks Tiote has tried to expand his passing range with disastrous results, and with Williamson and Simpson playing it from the back it's no wonder we've played a direct style utilising Ba's presence and first touch to bring others into the game.

 

Let's get behind the team and put all this bloody doom and gloom behind us. I have absolute faith we have the quality (if we sign a bloody CB to replace Willo) and the manager to turn this season around.

 

Sorry like, but most of that is utter rubbish.

 

We don't have the players capable of playing good football the right way too? Really? When everyone's fit it's the most logical thing that team should be doing. 

[Dave]

'why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once'

 

I can't think of a player that hasn't been slated this season, most of them on a weekly basis.

[merlin]

Laughing stock of a club? Give it a rest, the only reason we're anyone's laughing stock is because of some of the overreactions of our fans. Why the hell is it always sack the manager? Pardew almost got us a Champions League spot last year even if he did fail dismally in the cups.

 

We're in a pretty dismal run and we've played some crap this season but there's been a lot going on. He's been dreadfully handicapped by players who clearly aren't up to it (Williamson, Simpson) players who maybe haven't been playing for the team (Ba) and a player he's been trying to fit badly into a system (Cisse - who as a £10m man has to start, as did Ba, and they both failed in a 4-4-2 which left fans crying for a 4-3-3). We know the board hasn't backed him as we'd have liked, but why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once rather than always the manager?

 

I'd love to get a manager in who wants to play good football the right way (O'Driscoll is available now) but if we're totally honest we just don't have the players capable of doing that. With Cabaye missing for large chunks Tiote has tried to expand his passing range with disastrous results, and with Williamson and Simpson playing it from the back it's no wonder we've played a direct style utilising Ba's presence and first touch to bring others into the game.

 

Let's get behind the team and put all this bloody doom and gloom behind us. I have absolute faith we have the quality (if we sign a bloody CB to replace Willo) and the manager to turn this season around.

 

You are living in dreamland mate - unbelievable head in sand...

[merlin]

'why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once'

 

I can't think of a player that hasn't been slated this season, most of them on a weekly basis.

 

True - and isn't it the managers job to get the players playing to their capacity ?

[Dave]

'why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once'

 

I can't think of a player that hasn't been slated this season, most of them on a weekly basis.

 

True - and isn't it the managers job to get the players playing to their capacity ?

 

Yep, whether they're first choice or not. Pardew's been here long enough now to have instilled some sort of basic principles about how he wants the game played; Rodgers and Lambert have been at their clubs far less time than this and you can already see what they're trying to do. With Pardew it's as though he doesn't trust the squad players to do as he claims he says, or maybe he simply isn't capable of coaching them effectively.

 

It's a major worry that his excuse is always about the injuries. Yes they're particularly bad right now, but earlier in the season we were playing shite too. There's hardly anything to show that the squad as a whole is progressing.

[Dave]

PS: I say worry because I desperately want Pardew to turn it around. I don't believe he'll be sacked (until it's too late, like last time) and I don't trust the tossers above him to make a decent appointment. I honestly think there would be a good chance of Kinnear coming back.

[EthiGeordie]

I don't want him to be sacked. If any body needs to be change at the club it is the chairman. Ashely needs to fire DL and get us a decent chairman. Who can run a football club not a casino manager who sees players something similar.

 

Pardew did wonders last year and he made some mistake this season. He will be judged next season this year we just have to play to survive and just do that. You just can't sack the current manager of the year!

[thorin]

If he goes, the next thing I want to happen is for stupid Fat F*** Mike to pack the bags along with him and get in some Qatar sheiks to get this shit settled once and for all. Jose Mourinho and Ronaldo? LOL!

[Mick]

Laughing stock of a club? Give it a rest, the only reason we're anyone's laughing stock is because of some of the overreactions of our fans. Why the hell is it always sack the manager? Pardew almost got us a Champions League spot last year even if he did fail dismally in the cups.

 

We're in a pretty dismal run and we've played some crap this season but there's been a lot going on. He's been dreadfully handicapped by players who clearly aren't up to it (Williamson, Simpson) players who maybe haven't been playing for the team (Ba) and a player he's been trying to fit badly into a system (Cisse - who as a £10m man has to start, as did Ba, and they both failed in a 4-4-2 which left fans crying for a 4-3-3). We know the board hasn't backed him as we'd have liked, but why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once rather than always the manager?

 

I'd love to get a manager in who wants to play good football the right way (O'Driscoll is available now) but if we're totally honest we just don't have the players capable of doing that. With Cabaye missing for large chunks Tiote has tried to expand his passing range with disastrous results, and with Williamson and Simpson playing it from the back it's no wonder we've played a direct style utilising Ba's presence and first touch to bring others into the game.

 

Let's get behind the team and put all this bloody doom and gloom behind us. I have absolute faith we have the quality (if we sign a bloody CB to replace Willo) and the manager to turn this season around.

 

I'm actually lost for words. 

[Mick]

I find it amazing that people still support Pardew, I really do and the support for him is bordering on ignorance at this stage.  Even last season when we finished 5th we had problems and I was suspicious of him but got fooled in the 2nd half of the season when he stumbled on a winning formula which actually had us playing a decent style of play.

 

The alarm bells were ringing before we’d even kicked a ball this season when once again, the prick was going on about playing Demba Ba through the middle, even though our best football had been played with him wide left.

 

What was obvious to most in the summer was that we needed to upgrade Simpson and Williamson and that didn’t happen so we all, or most of us knew where our problems were going to come from.  We knew we’d have a central defender who was as weak as piss, we knew we would offer no threat from the right and we knew that we would be scruffy up front, again.

 

Last season we got away with a lot because of the easy start that we had, that start had us playing against teams which we could beat and that built of a bit of confidence throughout the squad and that confidence carried us through games where we didn’t perform in yet were still able to get results from.

 

This season, we’ve started off with a formation which most people knew wouldn’t suit the type of players that we had.  We’ve started off playing a direct style of play which meant that we didn’t build up any type of in game style, we just hooped it.  Hoofing it has meant that more often than not we’ve gifted the opposition the possession and we’ve paid for it.  This is the football that Pardew wants and it doesn’t work.

 

The injuries which he's now using to base his excuses around are even more worrying because they show that we've got very little coming through behind our starting 11 and that is shocking.  I think it's also safe to say that the turgid shite we're serving up with our starting 11 seems to be the same shit that is being coached at other levels.  None of our younger players look as if they know what to do and that's not down to them, they aren’t getting the required coaching to allow them to come into the first team without looking like aliens.

 

If we keep him and scrape enough points to see us safe we’ll be in exactly the same position next season because that’s what he’s about.  Nothing will change and we’ll be watching shit football and we’ll be watching a style of play that suits nobody but the manager.

 

Unfortunately if we do sack him, we’re relying on two people who haven’t got a clue what is needed to replace him and that is frightening.  It’s frightening but I would still give it a go in the hope that even those morons could make a right decision, even if only by luck.

 

The way I see it is that we’re relying on luck either way, we’re relying on luck to stay up and we’re relying on luck to bring in a good manager.

 

If we’re lucky and stay up with Pardew, we’re in for more of the same.  If we’re lucky and get a good manager we’ll at least have something to look forward to in the future and that’s better than what we have now.

 

[Ikon]

Good post Mick! I agree with every bit. Exactly how i have felt and feel right now.

[Guest hobshobs]

Going back to the 4-4 with Arsenal, if we hadn't fluked a draw he'd have been long gone. That second half bought him time like you wouldn't believe. Ben Arfa, Cisse, Ba and Cabaye saved his ass last season. The man is a bloody joke. Is there any other team in the Premiership that would play Ameobi, never mind make him captain. Kick off against Everton on Monday saw the ball played to a midfielder then lumped to two forwards who were charging up the right wing. Varied it today when we kicked off the second half. Played it back to a midfielder who lumped it up the left. Farcical. The Allardyce percentage football style. We handed possesion to our opponents on both occasions. The last 10 minutes against Everton was school playground stuff. Literally like 10 minutes till the bell to end the lunch break. Let's throw anybody on and let them run around and we'll see what happens. How the hell the owners can't see he's way out his depth is beyond belief. As time goes on he's actually making Souness look like a tactical genius. It really is that bad. I hate myself for saying it but I'd rather be relegated and get another manager than suffer this clown for any longer.

[Shearer9]

I have to agree with Mick as well.  I think people assume that because we have 17 games left in the league that there is plenty of time to get it right.  However, the season is already on the brink.  There is a massive slide on right now and Pardew hasn't shown any signs of stopping it.  Regardless of who comes in, do we really trust Pardew in a tight situation?  What if we needed to pick up 9 points from our final 6 games or something like that.  Does anyone really think Pardew is the man to take that task on?  Would you trust him in that situation, where the entire financial future of the club hangs in the balance?  As mentioned earlier, Ashley has been winging since he bought the club, including during the Championship season; somehow we got lucky to survive that pretty comfortably, although I'd argue that was as much about Hughton as anything else. 

 

Imagine the unthinkable happening again...Relegation.  Do you really trust Ashley to pull off that magic act one more time?  We can't risk that happening by allowing Pardew to continue.

[toontownman]

Ive got to say regardless of which manager we have had over the past years, I have always found positivity and trusted them to come through the

other side of trouble when it arose. I'm not saying Pardew won't pull a Moyes who was in exactly the same position with a much worse team in his second full season at Everton, however it is really tough to read Micks post and argue with any of it.

 

Pardew can't even get the simple things done, like motivating the players and picking the right starting line up or tactics. It is not the case that many of our players are useless, its the case that they are disorganized and made to play without the creativity the can play with. Pardew talked a lot about how he understood the type of football that was craved here and how it was the same type of free flowing attacking football he was known for. There has been zero evidence of that in two and a half years. Lots of good things have happened one way or another during that time but little has convinced me that Pardew has the ability to take us where we would like to be.

 

It is a moot point as I believe Pardew will still be here in May whether he goes down with this ship or not. The hierarchy are obsessed with consistency and more so with taking a gamble that will profit them. Next to no chance they will pick a foreign coach even if Pardew did leave.

[NoU]

Laughing stock of a club? Give it a rest, the only reason we're anyone's laughing stock is because of some of the overreactions of our fans. Why the hell is it always sack the manager? Pardew almost got us a Champions League spot last year even if he did fail dismally in the cups.

 

We're in a pretty dismal run and we've played some crap this season but there's been a lot going on. He's been dreadfully handicapped by players who clearly aren't up to it (Williamson, Simpson) players who maybe haven't been playing for the team (Ba) and a player he's been trying to fit badly into a system (Cisse - who as a £10m man has to start, as did Ba, and they both failed in a 4-4-2 which left fans crying for a 4-3-3). We know the board hasn't backed him as we'd have liked, but why not point the finger of blame at some of the players for once rather than always the manager?

 

I'd love to get a manager in who wants to play good football the right way (O'Driscoll is available now) but if we're totally honest we just don't have the players capable of doing that. With Cabaye missing for large chunks Tiote has tried to expand his passing range with disastrous results, and with Williamson and Simpson playing it from the back it's no wonder we've played a direct style utilising Ba's presence and first touch to bring others into the game.

 

Let's get behind the team and put all this bloody doom and gloom behind us. I have absolute faith we have the quality (if we sign a bloody CB to replace Willo) and the manager to turn this season around.

I agree with this guy.

[TRon]

I find it amazing that people still support Pardew, I really do and the support for him is bordering on ignorance at this stage.  Even last season when we finished 5th we had problems and I was suspicious of him but got fooled in the 2nd half of the season when he stumbled on a winning formula which actually had us playing a decent style of play.

 

The alarm bells were ringing before we’d even kicked a ball this season when once again, the prick was going on about playing Demba Ba through the middle, even though our best football had been played with him wide left.

 

What was obvious to most in the summer was that we needed to upgrade Simpson and Williamson and that didn’t happen so we all, or most of us knew where our problems were going to come from.  We knew we’d have a central defender who was as weak as piss, we knew we would offer no threat from the right and we knew that we would be scruffy up front, again.

 

Last season we got away with a lot because of the easy start that we had, that start had us playing against teams which we could beat and that built of a bit of confidence throughout the squad and that confidence carried us through games where we didn’t perform in yet were still able to get results from.

 

This season, we’ve started off with a formation which most people knew wouldn’t suit the type of players that we had.  We’ve started off playing a direct style of play which meant that we didn’t build up any type of in game style, we just hooped it.  Hoofing it has meant that more often than not we’ve gifted the opposition the possession and we’ve paid for it.  This is the football that Pardew wants and it doesn’t work.

 

The injuries which he's now using to base his excuses around are even more worrying because they show that we've got very little coming through behind our starting 11 and that is shocking.  I think it's also safe to say that the turgid shite we're serving up with our starting 11 seems to be the same shit that is being coached at other levels.  None of our younger players look as if they know what to do and that's not down to them, they aren’t getting the required coaching to allow them to come into the first team without looking like aliens.

 

If we keep him and scrape enough points to see us safe we’ll be in exactly the same position next season because that’s what he’s about.  Nothing will change and we’ll be watching shit football and we’ll be watching a style of play that suits nobody but the manager.

 

Unfortunately if we do sack him, we’re relying on two people who haven’t got a clue what is needed to replace him and that is frightening.  It’s frightening but I would still give it a go in the hope that even those morons could make a right decision, even if only by luck.

 

The way I see it is that we’re relying on luck either way, we’re relying on luck to stay up and we’re relying on luck to bring in a good manager.

 

If we’re lucky and stay up with Pardew, we’re in for more of the same.  If we’re lucky and get a good manager we’ll at least have something to look forward to in the future and that’s better than what we have now.

 

 

The thing is, it's not just our younger players who look lost as to how we are supposed to be playing. The senior players look equally clueless. Since we've switched to a passing game how many times have you seen our midfielders making useless passes back and forth between themselves due to the lack of movement elsewhere? Bigi to Anita, back to Bigi...back to Anita....it's a fucking joke.

 

Pardew knows one way to play football - route one. We are getting slaughtered right now because we are trying to switch to a different way of playing to suit more technical players coming in as we improve the squad and Pardew has no idea how to implement it. We got passed off the park by the same Championship side for the second time in 12 months FFS. If we draw them again next year and Pardew's still in charge it will be the same again becuase Poyet understands passing football, team shape and movement needed to implement it much better than Pards. It's as simple as that.

[Dr Venkman]

So from what he is saying, we have a side that is incapable of winning if a few of the better players are missing. He leads us to believe that we can't pass a ball, attack or create chances because of it.

 

For that attitude alone the useless cretin should be sacked. Not sure i ever remember a more defeatist manager than this moron.

 

Funnily enough that's the exact attitude many of us encountered in here when stating that we thought we should be playing more of a passing game last season. 'We can't possibly do that with Simpson in the side' is what we heard, completely ignoring that every other fucker was knocking it long as well.

[Rebellious]

I find it amazing that people still support Pardew, I really do and the support for him is bordering on ignorance at this stage.  Even last season when we finished 5th we had problems and I was suspicious of him but got fooled in the 2nd half of the season when he stumbled on a winning formula which actually had us playing a decent style of play.

 

The alarm bells were ringing before we’d even kicked a ball this season when once again, the prick was going on about playing Demba Ba through the middle, even though our best football had been played with him wide left.

 

What was obvious to most in the summer was that we needed to upgrade Simpson and Williamson and that didn’t happen so we all, or most of us knew where our problems were going to come from.  We knew we’d have a central defender who was as weak as piss, we knew we would offer no threat from the right and we knew that we would be scruffy up front, again.

 

Last season we got away with a lot because of the easy start that we had, that start had us playing against teams which we could beat and that built of a bit of confidence throughout the squad and that confidence carried us through games where we didn’t perform in yet were still able to get results from.

 

This season, we’ve started off with a formation which most people knew wouldn’t suit the type of players that we had.  We’ve started off playing a direct style of play which meant that we didn’t build up any type of in game style, we just hooped it.  Hoofing it has meant that more often than not we’ve gifted the opposition the possession and we’ve paid for it.  This is the football that Pardew wants and it doesn’t work.

 

The injuries which he's now using to base his excuses around are even more worrying because they show that we've got very little coming through behind our starting 11 and that is shocking.  I think it's also safe to say that the turgid shite we're serving up with our starting 11 seems to be the same shit that is being coached at other levels.  None of our younger players look as if they know what to do and that's not down to them, they aren’t getting the required coaching to allow them to come into the first team without looking like aliens.

 

If we keep him and scrape enough points to see us safe we’ll be in exactly the same position next season because that’s what he’s about.  Nothing will change and we’ll be watching shit football and we’ll be watching a style of play that suits nobody but the manager.

 

Unfortunately if we do sack him, we’re relying on two people who haven’t got a clue what is needed to replace him and that is frightening.  It’s frightening but I would still give it a go in the hope that even those morons could make a right decision, even if only by luck.

 

The way I see it is that we’re relying on luck either way, we’re relying on luck to stay up and we’re relying on luck to bring in a good manager.

 

If we’re lucky and stay up with Pardew, we’re in for more of the same.  If we’re lucky and get a good manager we’ll at least have something to look forward to in the future and that’s better than what we have now.

 

 

The thing is, it's not just our younger players who look lost as to how we are supposed to be playing. The senior players look equally clueless. Since we've switched to a passing game how many times have you seen our midfielders making useless passes back and forth between themselves due to the lack of movement elsewhere? Bigi to Anita, back to Bigi...back to Anita....it's a fucking joke.

 

Pardew knows one way to play football - route one. We are getting slaughtered right now because we are trying to switch to a different way of playing to suit more technical players coming in as we improve the squad and Pardew has no idea how to implement it. We got passed off the park by the same Championship side for the second time in 12 months FFS. If we draw them again next year and Pardew's still in charge it will be the same again becuase Poyet understands passing football, team shape and movement needed to implement it much better than Pards. It's as simple as that.

 

The thing I don`t get though is the players still have brains don`t they ? Your telling me that they all run around exactly how Pardew has told them but secretly they all want to play like Barca. Running around thinking in there heads I would love to pass it to my team mate but i`m gonna pass it behind them because Pardew is in charge and thats what he wants or, I would love to make a run into space but I better stand behind this defender so the pass isn`t on, or i`m gonna get injured or sent off.

Do you think Pardew has said to our supposed better players don`t attempt anything good because I will fine you if it doesn`t come off.

From what I see is that Pardew is on the touchline getting angry that no one seems to be doing what he asks if anything.

 

Since the start of the season with Europe and then the Christmas period we have had 1 day rest and 1 day on the training ground or travelling. Were as last season we had 3 days training between the rest day and travelling. Its not a coincedence we played better. Those days training would have been spent with Pardew. So if anything Pardew has had less influence over results this season than last.

[Dr Venkman]

 

For me the real key is that no solid base or framework of ideas has been embedded into the side. It's all such a hotchpotch of stuff (depending on who we play).

 

This, and I've been saying it since the beginning of last season.

[Tisd09]

I have a lot of patience with our managers I have stubbornly supported them at the time but even my support for Pardew is waning. By biggest issue with him going would be his replacement. I am far from confident of picking up someone decent. Given our predicament I'm not sure I'd want to go the untested at the highest level route which doesn't leave that much choice. Someone like Di Matteo especially on a short term basis maybe an option. I think he could utilise our players well, and as some have said he brought together a team last season from a low place to become European Champions. You don't do that without some decent tactical knowledge.

 

Pardew himself seems to have run out of ideas and that is the worrying thing. He talks about getting one in as we all know we needed another striker before Ba left so there's two players there plus a centre half. I like Steven Taylor and think he's improved a lot. However, his playing record the last few years is poor. As much as Willo and Perchy are good honest pro's they are not going to get us out of this s***. We need a solid no nonsense centre half that is not terrified of the ball. A younger version of Ryan Nelsen would be great.

 

In short I would like to see Pardew moved on but I have no faith that we'd replace him with anyone better.

[mrmojorisin75]

i just assume they're following his instructions to keep a rigid shape in order to protect ourselves, i also think he's directing them to play it direct to the strikers....change the phase of play quickly and all that bollocks

 

either due to a lot of our players not being used to it they're no good at doing it and/or he doesn't work on it in training to the extent that say allardyce would where although it's a horrible game when utilised correctly it can be effective

 

some combination of that

[durhamunigeordie]

Losing patience with him a bit now - fed up listening to his gabble. However, it would be counterproductive to sack him now and am still hoping that, if the injury list does clear up, we can go on a bit of a run second half of the season.

 

Yes we haven't won away yet, but we've already been to Old Trafford, Anfield, the Emirates, Goodison, Stamford Bridge and the Britannia. Couple of away wins and sort out our home form and things will start to look much rosier.

[taxfree]

So basically, win more games and we'll be alright. Easier said than done with Pardiola in charge.