Flip Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Tactics were spot on today except for playing with Bigirimana from the start. I understand we wanted to contain them early but he just wasn't up to the occasion. Almost, almost worked. Would've regained a lot of respect for him if it did. That's not football though is it. Contain another team when you have to win 2-0. I'll give my two cents about it and say he's in the know that he's incapable of managing this team offensively and therefore hoped to nick a goal and put pressure on them with the help of the fans. I don't agree with his approach or if his philosophy if he has any, but I'm starting to realize that he himself understands he's nothing more than an average manager and leaves everything down to occasional luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hydeous Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I think it's difficult to say without knowing what exactly would have happened in the alternate universe where Pards went for it from the off, but his plan almost worked. We were battering them for a good period of the 2nd half and really should've scored two. Maybe there are too many out injured for us to have a real good go at games, maybe Pards has no idea what managing a football team is about. But tonight, I think we were okay. Another day, it might've worked. Fwiw, I think they're the better team anyway, so maybe we had to take a gamble. I don't know. Anyway, I'm off to bed. This feeling really sucks. I'm feeling so hollow inside. G'night folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Think I'll give this thread a miss tonight. He's overachieved in Europe with that squad, as s*** as he's been for us in the PL this year. I don't agree whatsoever. The first real good team we played and we went out. No discredit either. I think he's done well, but he hasn't overachieved in my opinion at least. Don't like his approach to football but he's a likeable guy and I'll give him that. Anzhi are definitely a good team like. Not as good as Benfica, but we did well to get past them. Right, we complain about or squad yet their squad is bunch of unknown Russians and couple of start players, where one didn't play more than 10minutes and we beat them when they had one man less too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Good try Alan, so close, the haters will enjoy this. This is getting staggering now. cp40 straight trolling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Do any of the haters who are now crying think we couldnt do it at 80 mins? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I don't see how they were the only tactics we could have employed and we just got unlucky. We could have tried to attack them without going fucking apeshit and putting Rob Elliott up front but we didn't, we held on like fuck for nearly the whole first half without trying to score a goal ourselves. There are other ways to overturn a first leg deficit, in fact nearly every time you see a first leg deficit overturned in Europe it's as a result of a team getting after the other from the first whistle, taking advantage of complacence and scoring goals to get them shellshocked. We undersold ourselves by waiting so long to even try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Can't really fault him tonight for reasons already stated in the thread. We were unlucky to have even lost really given the matter of our first leg defeat, but that's just the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Tactics were spot on today except for playing with Bigirimana from the start. I understand we wanted to contain them early but he just wasn't up to the occasion. Almost, almost worked. Would've regained a lot of respect for him if it did. That's not football though is it. Contain another team when you have to win 2-0. I'll give my two cents about it and say he's in the know that he's incapable of managing this team offensively and therefore hoped to nick a goal and put pressure on them with the help of the fans. I don't agree with his approach or if his philosophy if he has any, but I'm starting to realize that he himself understands he's nothing more than an average manager and leaves everything down to occasional luck. Benfica are an excellent attacking team and I don't think we would've been able to stop them from scoring an away goal while putting pressure on them for 90 minutes. Given our limitations, the best chance we had was always going to be creating a window of opportunity to win the game rather than just going in all blood and thunder. The plan almost worked. It's harsh to call it fundamentally flawed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 How can anyone say his tactics were spot on? We saved one off the line They could've scored within 3 minutes. Only luck kept us in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Do any of the haters who are now crying think we couldnt do it at 80 mins? Absolutely not. That doesn't mean I agreed with his approach does it though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Honestly. Can't really fault him? They were there to be beaten. They were vulnerable as fuck when we went at them, yet we chose to wait until there was twenty minutes left to even try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Think I'll give this thread a miss tonight. He's overachieved in Europe with that squad, as s*** as he's been for us in the PL this year. I don't agree whatsoever. The first real good team we played and we went out. No discredit either. I think he's done well, but he hasn't overachieved in my opinion at least. Don't like his approach to football but he's a likeable guy and I'll give him that. Anzhi are definitely a good team like. Not as good as Benfica, but we did well to get past them. Right, we complain about or squad yet their squad is bunch of unknown Russians and couple of start players, where one didn't play more than 10minutes and we beat them when they had one man less too. Yeah Anzhi are shite like, bunch of unknown foreigners! I remember the hilarity thinking Pardew might put one over Hiddink. As if that could ever happen LOL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 How can anyone say his tactics were spot on? We saved one off the line They could've scored within 3 minutes. Only luck kept us in it. Nobody wins football matches without luck. We could have not hit the post twice in the corresponding fixture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Do any of the haters who are now crying think we couldnt do it at 80 mins? We had a 10 minute spell and then ran out of steam when Benfica had re organised themselves. 10 minutes out of 90 is fucking terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 2 years on and Shola is still plan b, christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 He'll be plan A come Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Tactics were spot on today except for playing with Bigirimana from the start. I understand we wanted to contain them early but he just wasn't up to the occasion. Almost, almost worked. Would've regained a lot of respect for him if it did. That's not football though is it. Contain another team when you have to win 2-0. I'll give my two cents about it and say he's in the know that he's incapable of managing this team offensively and therefore hoped to nick a goal and put pressure on them with the help of the fans. I don't agree with his approach or if his philosophy if he has any, but I'm starting to realize that he himself understands he's nothing more than an average manager and leaves everything down to occasional luck. Benfica are an excellent attacking team and I don't think we would've been able to stop them from scoring an away goal while putting pressure on them for 90 minutes. Given our limitations, the best chance we had was always going to be creating a window of opportunity to win the game rather than just going in all blood and thunder. The plan almost worked. It's harsh to call it fundamentally flawed. They are an excellent offensive team, so why let them come at us? Their weakest link is clearly their goalie, so why put the team out to not concede instead of trying to pile pressure and using the fans to help out? At hindsight I understand what you mean, but I still find putting pressure on them from the off and using the sold out SJP to support the players would've gotten them a bit shaky right from the off. We let them settle and feel the atmosphere a bit too much for my liking. Oh well, it's not much to discuss, we weren't bad, but the tactics weren't spot on either. Pardew did what he is capable off, extremely average manager who I hope is off in the summer. I hope he turns the club around as he has proven that ocassionally he can get stuff right, but noway was this a tactically spot on game oldtype. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 i see most have already brought what the salesman Pardew had sold to them pre match interview. Alan Pardew: Newcastle need to play like Barcelona to beat Benfica ‘There’s only one team which has beaten them by two clear goals, and that’s Barcelona,’ Pardew said. ‘That’s the size of the task, so we are under no illusions there. This is a Champions League team, really. That’s the quality we are up against. We have to approach the game in the right manner and try to get to the end of the game in a position where we can get it back.’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I have no problem with going defensive against Benfica because they're a good side. My problem is with pretty much every premiership game where all our players look like individuals who have just met up for a five a side kick about. I think the main gripe with Pardew is how boring our games are, we very rarely really threaten the opposition with flowing attacking moves or even basic pass and move football. On the plus side though, having ben arfa and marv in the same team we looked a lot better, but I doubt we'll both see them start against Sunderland, when in reality they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 How can anyone say his tactics were spot on? We saved one off the line They could've scored within 3 minutes. Only luck kept us in it. Nobody wins football matches without luck. Tell the best teams in the world that like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Do any of the haters who are now crying think we couldnt do it at 80 mins? We had a 10 minute spell and then ran out of steam when Benfica had re organised themselves. 10 minutes out of 90 is fucking terrible. 10mins near the end of a european quater final, with silverware still on offer, on the 11th of April- for most of the 35 years ive watched the toon, stuff like that was what other better teams did, not us. great effort- very proud Howay the lads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 We left it far too late and had no option but to chase the game when they scored, his tactics weren't spot on at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 The tie was virtually lost in the away leg thanks to a dodgy back pass and a ridiculous hand ball. Was always going to be a tall order whatever they tactics back at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 i see most have already brought what the salesman Pardew had sold to them pre match interview. ‘There’s only one team which has beaten them by two clear goals, and that’s Barcelona,’ Pardew said. ‘That’s the size of the task, so we are under no illusions there. This is a Champions League team, really. That’s the quality we are up against. We have to approach the game in the right manner and try to get to the end of the game in a position where we can get it back.’ What would your starting lineup have been? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Done well in this competition has pards. Hats off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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