The thread about how we should play

[loki679]

Didn't play either tonight

 

Just happy the 'scrap 4-4-2' bit came true tbh

[Mole_Toonfan]

Didn't play either tonight

 

I've always assumed '4-3-3' was more of a blanket term on here for anything other than flat 4-4-2.

 

last season during that run it was always seemed more of a 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-1-3 Cabaye's role was exactly same as Marveaux's was tonight.

[Jagten]

Didn't play either tonight

We played 4-3-3 tonight, no?

[Jack Flash]

Didn't play either tonight

We played 4-3-3 tonight, no?

 

No.

[Jagten]

Didn't play either tonight

We played 4-3-3 tonight, no?

 

No.

Fairly sure we did, like.

 

      Tiote

Anita - Marveaux

Cisse - Ba - Jonas

[madras]

Didn't play either tonight

We played 4-3-3 tonight, no?

 

No.

Fairly sure we did, like.

 

      Tiote

Anita - Marveaux

Cisse - Ba - Jonas

wouldn't that be a 4-1-2-3 ?

 

what i saw was a 4-1-2-2. haven't the foggiest where or what joans was supposed to be doing so haven't included him.

[ponsaelius]

Was 4-2-3-1. It's a similar shape though the way we played it.

[Jagten]

That's the standard 4-3-3.

[Jagten]

Was 4-2-3-1. It's a similar shape though the way we played it.

Really thought it was a 1-2.

[Jack Flash]

Didn't play either tonight

We played 4-3-3 tonight, no?

 

No.

Fairly sure we did, like.

 

      Tiote

Anita - Marveaux

Cisse - Ba - Jonas

 

Jonas hardly went near the box tbh. Certainly not enough to call him a forward anyway.

[Mick]

The only important thing about the line up was that we had bodies in midfield.

[Mole_Toonfan]

The only important thing about the line up was that we won the game.

 

fyp.

[Guest firetotheworks]

We definitely played exclusively  433.

[ATB]

Didn't play either tonight

 

I've always assumed '4-3-3' was more of a blanket term on here for anything other than flat 4-4-2.

 

yup

[Tiresias]

Interested in what people's formations would be with everyone fit but on most up to date form

 

                    Krul

 

Simpson    Saylor    Colo    Santon

 

            Anita    Bigi

 

    HBA      Cabaye    Marv

 

                  Ba

 

probably, simpson out of place and Bigi is prefered to tiote leaving us lacking much physicality in that area but that side does make me drool right now. Doubt some will maintain form tho

 

                 

[ATB]

Fixed

[Pata]

You can't pick Bigi ahead of Tiote.

[Mole_Toonfan]

You can't pick Bigi ahead of Tiote.

 

Aye as it stands it's definitely Anita-Tiote for me with Marv ahead of them at least until Cabaye is back anyway.

 

Love Bigi to bits though although i'm unsure what his position is yet as he seems to excel in quite a few different roles.

[AlanSkÃrare]

Even Pardew says Bigi shouldn't be playing. He's very raw, we've seen that on several occasions now.

 

I think Anita-Tioté-Marveaux has very good potential. Bigi looks as if he's a good replacement for Anita rather than Tioté. I think Perch is Tioté's best back-up. He has the aggression and physicallity to win the battle. Bigi's more of a technical, dynamic player.

[Tiresias]

I sort of agree just really sort of fed up with tiote :|

[Sima]

Bigirimana instead of Tiote ffs.

[Tiresias]

:'(

[Unbelievable]

Well, at least we're more entertaining for the neutral viewers..

 

In all seriousness, whilst we look a damn sight more dangerous and attractive going forward in a 433/451 for some reason we also are considerably more vulnerable defensively, despite what some people say. Personally I think it is worth persevering with as a tactical setup (although not with a striker shoehorned in a wide position), but for it to work long term it needs better defenders first and foremost, Tiote (or defensive midfield replacement) to focus on his defensive role and hard working wide players that track back when the opposition full back likes to get forward. It's not just a matter of simply organising the frontline differently, it requires a transformation to our entire team dynamics. For all the flack Pardew gets lately, I think he has been badly let down by Ashley & co this summer in terms of not getting the defensive reinforcements he wanted and has massively overachieved last season, mainly thanks to giving our mediocre defenders as much protection as possible. It may have been negative, but at least it was effective. Discuss.

[Cronky]

Well, at least we're more entertaining for the neutral viewers..

 

In all seriousness, whilst we look a damn sight more dangerous and attractive going forward in a 433/451 for some reason we also are considerably more vulnerable defensively, despite what some people say. Personally I think it is worth persevering with as a tactical setup (although not with a striker shoehorned in a wide position), but for it to work long term it needs better defenders first and foremost, Tiote (or defensive midfield replacement) to focus on his defensive role and hard working wide players that track back when the opposition full back likes to get forward. It's not just a matter of simply organising the frontline differently, it requires a transformation to our entire team dynamics. For all the flack Pardew gets lately, I think he has been badly let down by Ashley & co this summer in terms of not getting the defensive reinforcements he wanted and has massively overachieved last season, mainly thanks to giving our mediocre defenders as much protection as possible. It may have been negative, but at least it was effective. Discuss.

 

In my distant and somewhat modest playing days, everyone played 4-4-2, so my knowledge of the finer points of 4-3-3 is limited.

 

However, the theoretical problem that occurs to me is who protects the full back. In 4-4-2, it's obvious. In 4-3-3, is it the job of the wide midfield player, or the wide attacking player, or are they expected to sort it out between them?

 

Genuine question. It does look to me like far more often now, our full backs are being exposed one-on-one.

[madras]

Well, at least we're more entertaining for the neutral viewers..

 

In all seriousness, whilst we look a damn sight more dangerous and attractive going forward in a 433/451 for some reason we also are considerably more vulnerable defensively, despite what some people say. Personally I think it is worth persevering with as a tactical setup (although not with a striker shoehorned in a wide position), but for it to work long term it needs better defenders first and foremost, Tiote (or defensive midfield replacement) to focus on his defensive role and hard working wide players that track back when the opposition full back likes to get forward. It's not just a matter of simply organising the frontline differently, it requires a transformation to our entire team dynamics. For all the flack Pardew gets lately, I think he has been badly let down by Ashley & co this summer in terms of not getting the defensive reinforcements he wanted and has massively overachieved last season, mainly thanks to giving our mediocre defenders as much protection as possible. It may have been negative, but at least it was effective. Discuss.

 

In my distant and somewhat modest playing days, everyone played 4-4-2, so my knowledge of the finer points of 4-3-3 is limited.

 

However, the theoretical problem that occurs to me is who protects the full back. In 4-4-2, it's obvious. In 4-3-3, is it the job of the wide midfield player, or the wide attacking player, or are they expected to sort it out between them?

 

Genuine question. It does look to me like far more often now, our full backs are being exposed one-on-one.

when out of possession most 4-4-2's and 4-3-3's become 4-5-1 anyway.