Massadio Haïdara (now playing for Brest)

[Tooj]

That's when you know it was a bad tackle when Thompson is sticking up for us.

[Benwell Lad]

Paul Parker on Eurosport...

 

Callum McManaman's tackle on Massadio Haidara was probably the worst tackle I have witnessed in the game. And I've seen a few bad ones being a defender. I could not believe what I was watching on Sunday evening.

 

Was it malicious? Did he mean it? Only he can tell us. If he is honest enough, he might just come out say what was in his head. It was a thuggish and cowardly act.

 

What he is guilty of is absolutely awful, and it seems a joke that he is going to get away game's authorities.

 

You can't even say it was over the top. It went beyond over the top. It is all well and good saying he clipped a piece of the ball, but it was the damage and the force of the challenge that is the problem.

 

The lad might have serious ligament damage around his knee area. That is more serious than a break sometimes because players just can't get over it.

 

They can't do the same things and can be drastically affected by it. It changes your running style and walking style. It then affects other muscles and tendons. In theory, it could be a huge problem for the Newcastle lad in years to come.

 

McManaman's tackle is the worst kind of challenge you could see. I'm really surprised that the Wigan chairman Dave Whelan came out and said what he said. Sometimes it is better not to say anything.

 

The Wigan manager Roberto Martinez has kept quiet, but Whelan has said too much. There is no defence for what McManaman did and all Whelan has done is put himself and his club in a bad light.

 

Some are saying he was immature, that it was his full Premier League debut etc. Well, I've seen a lot of debuts, but I haven't seen a challenge like that.

 

If that was a tackle in a match on a public park on a Sunday morning, you would see the biggest fight and brawl of your life between players. If somebody put a challenge in like that on somebody's team-mate in an amateur match, there would have been a war.

 

McManaman would also have had to come off the pitch a lot sooner than he did in an amateur match because somebody would have tried to hurt him.

 

You can't condone a tackle like that at any level of football. You can't condone the Newcastle assistant manager John Carver for approaching McManaman at half-time, but you can understand his behaviour.

 

Haidara had just come on as a substitute and is trying to make a name for himself in a much improved Newcastle side. 13 minutes later he has to be carried off by something that is more like GBH than a tackle.

 

I heard today he made a horror tackle against Manchester City under-21s. That suggests there is history/

 

The manager said he is wanting to apologise, but I'd be very surprised if Haidara is interested in an apology.

 

If he is lying there in a hospital bed with his leg up, the last thing he wants is to see that tackle again. I know I don't want to watch it again. I got a chill through my body when it went in, because I have had knee problems.

 

Haidara didn't expect the sole of a size eight boot coming at him with brute force on his standing leg. The referee Mark Halsey and the linesmen must also be reprimanded for their performance.

 

Like McManaman, he needs a lengthy period out of the game to reflect and think about where he is going wrong, but it now looks like nothing is going to happen.

 

Fucking bang on.

 

  Always liked Parker as a player and a person and he's summed up the cowardly tackle and aftermath perfectly there.

[Felling Mag]

Sooooo when will we know how bad the injury is?

[LRD]

The lack of action from the FA might just work to punish Wigan than had they received a standard 3-match ban. With a ban, they can move on and focus on the FA Cup and their relegation dogfight, the talk will ease on them sooner rather than later. Instead they are finding themselves under the spotlight with getting away scot-free and Whelan's trash talk. The longer media and fan pressure on them, the more it can potentially harm them.

 

I can only hope karma works out this way.

[Crumpy Gunt]

As soon as he wasn't sent off any restrospective action taken again the scumbag mean't actually nothing to NUFC.

 

Who seriously gives a f*** if he got a three match ban - how does that help NUFC? It doesn't.

 

We need to focus anger on the match officials. They f***ed up. They should be punished but yet again it now means nothing to NUFC. Even if Halsey is relegated to doing s*** 2nd division match's for a month or two - SO f***.

 

The moment passed when he wasn't sent off.

 

Are you being deliberately contrary? I think the general idea is that he needs to be punished for potentially wrecking someones career. Whether it gets us three points back is irrelevant. You're post is ridiculous, in fact all your posts in this thread have.

 

So you want revenge on the scouse scum?

 

Thats fine, but, like I suggest, it is of no benefit whatsoever to NUFC if any retrospective punishment was enforced.

 

The FA have made cunts of themselves. If anything positive comes out of this is that maybe a shitstorm that will send the wind of change through the FA.

[BlueStar]

I hear in MLS they retrospectively ban people for everything from bad tackles, to diving, to crowding the referee, not particularly giving a fuck if the referee has seen it or not.  Apparently there's an official YouTube channel that shows the reviewed decisions and explains the action taken.  Can any fans of the league tell us if this as resulted in referees being undermined and emotionally crushed, and if you never know what the result of a game will be until lawyers have argued about it in court?

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Graham Bean, Former FA Compliance Officer, says FA are hiding behind a rule that doesn't apply. Refers to Rule E3 which stats that a player CAN BE charged for misconduct even if the referee has or has not dealt with an incident. Says FA are Cherry Picking and making the rules up as they go along.

 

No reason if they (the FA) wanted to take action they couldn't take action.

 

What the hell.

 

 

[Tooj]

Former FA Compliance Officer on Sky Sports slating the FA now and saying that they just make the rules up as they go along.

[BlueStar]

As soon as he wasn't sent off any restrospective action taken again the scumbag mean't actually nothing to NUFC.

 

Who seriously gives a f*** if he got a three match ban - how does that help NUFC? It doesn't.

 

We need to focus anger on the match officials. They f***ed up. They should be punished but yet again it now means nothing to NUFC. Even if Halsey is relegated to doing s*** 2nd division match's for a month or two - SO f***.

 

The moment passed when he wasn't sent off.

 

 

Are you being deliberately contrary? I think the general idea is that he needs to be punished for potentially wrecking someones career. Whether it gets us three points back is irrelevant. You're post is ridiculous, in fact all your posts in this thread have.

 

So you want revenge on the scouse scum?

 

Thats fine, but, like I suggest, it is of no benefit whatsoever to NUFC if any retrospective punishment was enforced.

 

The FA have made c***s of themselves. If anything positive comes out of this is that maybe a shitstorm that will send the wind of change through the FA.

 

Maybe its a benefit to see someone punished for their actions? I honestly cant see what your argument. If I was haidara I'd sue the cunt for all he had

 

If there's one thing that will make the FA actually do something it's legal action outside of their control or jurisdiction.  Going over their heads to courts will have them scrambling around desperate to not have a precedent set where things like this aren't always dealt with under their complete control, and when they protest the obvious answer will be "Well, if you're not willing to deal with matters like this, it's our only choice."

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Where'd you read that, OCK?

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Where'd you read that, OCK?

 

Graham Bean, Former FA Compliance Officer, says FA are hiding behind a rule that doesn't apply. Refers to Rule E3 which stats that a player CAN BE charged for misconduct even if the referee has or has not dealt with an incident. Says FA are Cherry Picking and making the rules up as they go along.

 

No reason if they (the FA) wanted to take action they couldn't take action.

 

What the hell.

 

He's on Sky Sports News now.

[Guest icemanblue]

Surely this gives us basis for a legal complaint then?

[ujpest doza]

As soon as he wasn't sent off any restrospective action taken again the scumbag mean't actually nothing to NUFC.

 

Who seriously gives a fuck if he got a three match ban - how does that help NUFC? It doesn't.

 

We need to focus anger on the match officials. They fucked up. They should be punished but yet again it now means nothing to NUFC. Even if Halsey is relegated to doing shit 2nd division match's for a month or two - SO FUCK.

 

The moment passed when he wasn't sent off. 

 

Which is exactly my point.

[Guest Slippery Sam]

The pic on SSN now shows the ball at the players feet whilst the thug's foot is planted on Haidara's knee. There is no way that this can be construed as 'getting the ball clean as a whistle" as the ball has gone nowhere.

[taxfree]

As soon as he wasn't sent off any restrospective action taken again the scumbag mean't actually nothing to NUFC.

 

Who seriously gives a f*** if he got a three match ban - how does that help NUFC? It doesn't.

 

We need to focus anger on the match officials. They f***ed up. They should be punished but yet again it now means nothing to NUFC. Even if Halsey is relegated to doing s*** 2nd division match's for a month or two - SO f***.

 

The moment passed when he wasn't sent off. 

 

Which is exactly my point.

 

What mindless drivel, though. A quick look at the bigger picture wouldn't hurt.

[Guest icemanblue]

The pic on SSN now shows the ball at the players feet whilst the thug's foot is planted on Haidara's knee. There is no way that this can be construed as 'getting the ball clean as a whistle" as the ball has gone nowhere.

 

You should probably watch the tackle, mate.

[SGSC]

As soon as he wasn't sent off any restrospective action taken again the scumbag mean't actually nothing to NUFC.

 

Who seriously gives a f*** if he got a three match ban - how does that help NUFC? It doesn't.

 

We need to focus anger on the match officials. They f***ed up. They should be punished but yet again it now means nothing to NUFC. Even if Halsey is relegated to doing s*** 2nd division match's for a month or two - SO f***.

 

The moment passed when he wasn't sent off. 

 

Which is exactly my point.

 

It has little to nothing to do with not "helping NUFC". As many have already stated, it's about punishing people who have done the wrong thing.

[nobby_solano]

not sure if giggs...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2296225/Teenager-charged-sending-Twitter-death-threat-Wigan-Athletics-Callum-McManaman-horror-tackle-Newcastle-Uniteds-Massadio-Haidara.html

 

A teenager has been arrested for sending Callum McManaman a death threat as the Wigan winger received a tirade of Twitter abuse after his horror challenge on Newcastle's Massadio Haidara.

 

The 17-year-old, from Ashington in Northumberland, was fined for sending a tweet reading: 'cant wait till you come to st james' #GonnaDie #GetYourFuneralPlannedKid.'

 

McManaman, 21, escaped punishment from the Football Association for the tackle yesterday - a verdict that was met with derision across the football world - but he was bombarded with Twitter abuse.

 

Haidara was carried off on a stretcher as a result of the tackle during Wigan's 2-1 win over Newcastle at the DW Stadium on Sunday.

 

Referee Mark Halsey was unsighted and play continued but because assistant Matthew Wilkes saw the incident and didn't act, the FA could not issue retrospective punishment.

 

However, Newcastle assistant manager John Carver and Wigan coach Graham Barrow were charged with misconduct over a bust-up as the sides went in for half-time.

 

A Northumbria police spokesman said: 'We received a third party report of a malicious communication on Twitter.

 

'As a result, a 17-year-old boy from Ashington was arrested on suspicion of producing malicious content.

 

'He was handed a fixed penalty notice.'

 

A Wigan Athletic spokesman added: 'We’ve been made aware of some unsavoury comments made on Twitter.

 

'We understand that reports were made to the police and they have dealt with the matter.

 

'No one wants to see this. Everyone’s focus should be on the welfare of the Newcastle player.'

 

The decision not to suspend McManaman means he is free to play in Wigan's FA Cup semi-final with Millwall at Wembley on April 13.

 

 

[ujpest doza]

Paul Parker on Eurosport...

 

Callum McManaman's tackle on Massadio Haidara was probably the worst tackle I have witnessed in the game. And I've seen a few bad ones being a defender. I could not believe what I was watching on Sunday evening.

 

Was it malicious? Did he mean it? Only he can tell us. If he is honest enough, he might just come out say what was in his head. It was a thuggish and cowardly act.

 

What he is guilty of is absolutely awful, and it seems a joke that he is going to get away game's authorities.

 

You can't even say it was over the top. It went beyond over the top. It is all well and good saying he clipped a piece of the ball, but it was the damage and the force of the challenge that is the problem.

 

The lad might have serious ligament damage around his knee area. That is more serious than a break sometimes because players just can't get over it.

 

They can't do the same things and can be drastically affected by it. It changes your running style and walking style. It then affects other muscles and tendons. In theory, it could be a huge problem for the Newcastle lad in years to come.

 

McManaman's tackle is the worst kind of challenge you could see. I'm really surprised that the Wigan chairman Dave Whelan came out and said what he said. Sometimes it is better not to say anything.

 

The Wigan manager Roberto Martinez has kept quiet, but Whelan has said too much. There is no defence for what McManaman did and all Whelan has done is put himself and his club in a bad light.

 

Some are saying he was immature, that it was his full Premier League debut etc. Well, I've seen a lot of debuts, but I haven't seen a challenge like that.

 

If that was a tackle in a match on a public park on a Sunday morning, you would see the biggest fight and brawl of your life between players. If somebody put a challenge in like that on somebody's team-mate in an amateur match, there would have been a war.

 

McManaman would also have had to come off the pitch a lot sooner than he did in an amateur match because somebody would have tried to hurt him.

 

You can't condone a tackle like that at any level of football. You can't condone the Newcastle assistant manager John Carver for approaching McManaman at half-time, but you can understand his behaviour.

 

Haidara had just come on as a substitute and is trying to make a name for himself in a much improved Newcastle side. 13 minutes later he has to be carried off by something that is more like GBH than a tackle.

 

I heard today he made a horror tackle against Manchester City under-21s. That suggests there is history/

 

The manager said he is wanting to apologise, but I'd be very surprised if Haidara is interested in an apology.

 

If he is lying there in a hospital bed with his leg up, the last thing he wants is to see that tackle again. I know I don't want to watch it again. I got a chill through my body when it went in, because I have had knee problems.

 

Haidara didn't expect the sole of a size eight boot coming at him with brute force on his standing leg. The referee Mark Halsey and the linesmen must also be reprimanded for their performance.

 

Like McManaman, he needs a lengthy period out of the game to reflect and think about where he is going wrong, but it now looks like nothing is going to happen.

 

Fucking bang on.

 

  Always liked Parker as a player and a person and he's summed up the cowardly tackle and aftermath perfectly there.

He's a nice lad, i got his autograph outside Loftus Road when he played against us for QPR and looked like he'd got the tube to the ground as he'd walked from the general direction of White City.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

The pic on SSN now shows the ball at the players feet whilst the thug's foot is planted on Haidara's knee. There is no way that this can be construed as 'getting the ball clean as a whistle" as the ball has gone nowhere.

 

McManaman does clip the ball, but it's the force through the ball and into the player that's the issue. It's definition of excessive force. His leading leg is above and over the ball (he clips the top of it), and is at knee height. His body is leaning back at an angle, so he's lunging in. His trailing leg comes through too, so it's a full force challenge with no way of stopping (save smashing into a player). He even bounces off of Haidara such is the impact and force, so Haidara absorbs it all since both of his legs are planted into the ground. It's horrible.

[Skeletor]

Surely this gives us basis for a legal complaint then?

 

Absolutely. FA have boxed themselves in a corner with their poorly written statement, former referees, players, pundits and even a former FA chief criticising them and pointing out that they could easily have punished McManaman.

[Tooj]

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/john-barnes-infuriates-newcastle-united-fans-with-ridiculous-comm

 

This from the same man that defended Suarez despite all of the racist abuse that he received as a player.

[Skeletor]

not sure if giggs...

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2296225/Teenager-charged-sending-Twitter-death-threat-Wigan-Athletics-Callum-McManaman-horror-tackle-Newcastle-Uniteds-Massadio-Haidara.html

 

A teenager has been arrested for sending Callum McManaman a death threat as the Wigan winger received a tirade of Twitter abuse after his horror challenge on Newcastle's Massadio Haidara.

 

The 17-year-old, from Ashington in Northumberland, was fined for sending a tweet reading: 'cant wait till you come to st james' #GonnaDie #GetYourFuneralPlannedKid.'

 

McManaman, 21, escaped punishment from the Football Association for the tackle yesterday - a verdict that was met with derision across the football world - but he was bombarded with Twitter abuse.

 

Haidara was carried off on a stretcher as a result of the tackle during Wigan's 2-1 win over Newcastle at the DW Stadium on Sunday.

 

Referee Mark Halsey was unsighted and play continued but because assistant Matthew Wilkes saw the incident and didn't act, the FA could not issue retrospective punishment.

 

However, Newcastle assistant manager John Carver and Wigan coach Graham Barrow were charged with misconduct over a bust-up as the sides went in for half-time.

 

A Northumbria police spokesman said: 'We received a third party report of a malicious communication on Twitter.

 

'As a result, a 17-year-old boy from Ashington was arrested on suspicion of producing malicious content.

 

'He was handed a fixed penalty notice.'

 

A Wigan Athletic spokesman added: 'We’ve been made aware of some unsavoury comments made on Twitter.

 

'We understand that reports were made to the police and they have dealt with the matter.

 

'No one wants to see this. Everyone’s focus should be on the welfare of the Newcastle player.'

 

The decision not to suspend McManaman means he is free to play in Wigan's FA Cup semi-final with Millwall at Wembley on April 13.

 

 

 

Imagine if the police had said 'we saw the tweet, but not the full extent of it therefore we let him off scot free'

[Guest neesy111]

Surely this gives us basis for a legal complaint then?

 

Absolutely. FA have boxed themselves in a corner with their poorly written statement, former referees, players, pundits and even a former FA chief criticising them and pointing out that they could easily have punished McManaman.

 

I was thinking this last night, FA shot themselves in the foot with that statement.

[Dave]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/wigan-athletic/9941718/Failure-to-charge-Wigans-Callum-McManaman-over-tackle-on-Newcastles-Massadio-Haidara-makes-the-FA-look-daft.html