Massadio Haïdara

[Cronky]

It's a worry because the player went straight into the side of the knee with full force. If Haidara gets away with a 6 month lay-off and a return to full fitness then I'd count that a good result. I fear it could be a lot worse. Time will tell.

 

Whelan's comments won't have helped his player at all. Apart from anything else, IIRC the contact with the knee came before the contact with the ball, and the contact with the ball was fairly minimal.

[Dokko]

I've stayed away from football for nearly 24 hrs, come in to this thread and I'm still fucking raging, Whealen, the ref, Martinez, mcmanaman, if I saw any of those cunts right now I'd be locked up. Bunch of complete pricks.

 

On a lighter note I saw he's due for a scan Monday afternoon and sat there for 5 mins thinking fuck me that's ages away, why so long. Then I realised its Monday 

 

Football can still fuck of mind, really CBa with any of it.

 

Get well soon Mass.

[jdckelly]

you know before the game I was thinking to myself how I actually didn't mind Wigan these days, liked Martinez as a manager and trying to remember why I disliked them so much in the first place so I must say thank you to Dave Whelan for reminding me exactly why I detest Wigan and thank you to Martinez for removing any shred of wishing them well I had and I look forward to their relegation whenever it happens and look forward to them disappearing into oblivion once they do

[Hanshithispantz]

Plenty of leg/ankle breakers go almost completely unpunished because the players who gets fouled don't get injured. It's really unfortunate that a player has had to be injured for this to be a big issue (for the next few days anyway).

There was no way that challenge was not going to cause injury though, you cannot just sweep all bad tackles into the same bracket. Although more do need to be punished retrospectively.

 

Genuinely one of the worst challenges I've ever seen.

[cp40]

you know before the game I was thinking to myself how I actually didn't mind Wigan these days, liked Martinez as a manager and trying to remember why I disliked them so much in the first place so I must say thank you to Dave Whelan for reminding me exactly why I detest Wigan and thank you to Martinez for removing any shred of wishing them well I had and I look forward to their relegation whenever it happens and look forward to them disappearing into oblivion once they do

 

yep we have three cunt clubs we hate in the mix now, law of averages one of them goes.

[Skirge]

I would love to see a bit of solidarity from other EPL clubs to come out and condemn  player manager and Chairman, its bad enough it happened but Martinez's comments made it a little worse Whelan's comments are an UTTER disgrace.

[Wullie]

Never thought I'd want a club to go down instead of the mackems but here we are.

[Hanshithispantz]

Am I the only one who doesn't really think Martinez' comments are that bad?

 

All he's said is that it was a bad tackle but the little thug isn't "that kind of player" wasn't it?. The kind of comments that I would expect literally every manager in world football to make in the same situation.

[Skirge]

Never thought I'd want a club to go down instead of the mackems but here we are.

With you on that... They stay up it won't be safe for them up here next season

[Jack Flash]

Plenty of leg/ankle breakers go almost completely unpunished because the players who gets fouled don't get injured. It's really unfortunate that a player has had to be injured for this to be a big issue (for the next few days anyway).

There was no way that challenge was not going to cause injury though, you cannot just sweep all bad tackles into the same bracket. Although more do need to be punished retrospectively.

 

Genuinely one of the worst challenges I've ever seen.

 

It more about the trial by media reaction this one has got compared to a horrific tackle that goes largely unnoticed due to lack of injury. If Haidara had jumped straight up it would barely be an issue to the vast majority of football fans imo. It's taken a potentially bad injury to get some much needed attention.

[Skirge]

Am I the only one who doesn't really think Martinez' comments are that bad?

 

All he's said is that it was a bad tackle but the little thug isn't "that kind of player" wasn't it?. The kind of comments that I would expect literally every manager in world football to make in the same situation.

 

Yes and no.. the kid has form surely he knows about the red i the res game vs City but also it was so bad I think as his manager a public apology from him there and then was in order.No manager will ever slate their own player in public but also they should never defend the indefeasible.

Whelan's comments however are a hell of a lot worse.

[Stuy_O]

Am I the only one who doesn't really think Martinez' comments are that bad?

 

All he's said is that it was a bad tackle but the little thug isn't "that kind of player" wasn't it?. The kind of comments that I would expect literally every manager in world football to make in the same situation.

 

Also said it's not worthy of punishment, which imo is a terrible comment.  He's being massively hypocritical aswell as dangerous. Any defence of it and his player could do it again one day, with worse results.

[Guest Slippery Sam]

I hope any 'good' news regarding this injury is kept from the FA until after their length of ban has been decided.  I do not want the FA giving that shithead anything less than a nine game ban, and I do not want them 'easing off' if the news on the injury isn't as bad as feared.  That type of challenge has no place in football and it deserves the correct punishment. 

[Incognito]

Hope the outdoor shithouse of a club not only get relegated, but get totally bum raped by Millwall at Wembley,and then their cunthole fans get hammered outside.

 

[Hanshithispantz]

Whelan's comments are disgusting, Martinez' though:

 

"Remember it's Callum's full debut in the Premier League. I haven't seen the replay, I believe he touches the ball and then it's a bad challenge, but it's nothing malicious, he's not that sort of boy," Martinez told Sky Sports.

 

"It's the normal enthusiasm that you get in your debut.

 

"I can't really comment too much because I haven't seen the action but I can guarantee that Callum McManaman is a young man full of talent and in his debut probably showed the enthusiasm that you expect, but he's not a malicious player."

 

Regarding an apology, Martinez said: "I think he wants to contact the player. I don't know if he's done it already but he will do that because when you get an injury in that manner you obviously don't want to leave any bad feelings.

 

"If Callum hasn't apologised yet then he definitely will do that because we're a football club where those values are very important."

 

Says it looked a bad challenge but he cannot really comment until he has seen the replays; says that McManaman will definitely apologise "because [they're] a football club where those values are very important".

 

I honestly think those are good quotes from him after the game.

[Hanshithispantz]

Am I the only one who doesn't really think Martinez' comments are that bad?

 

All he's said is that it was a bad tackle but the little thug isn't "that kind of player" wasn't it?. The kind of comments that I would expect literally every manager in world football to make in the same situation.

 

Also said it's not worthy of punishment, which imo is a terrible comment.  He's being massively hypocritical aswell as dangerous. Any defence of it and his player could do it again one day, with worse results.

That's pretty low like, I missed that.

 

It's half understandable but I would hope more managers would take the Pardew approach, ie just straight up acknowledging the mistake and accepting any punishment.

[Guest ItalianMagpie]

I've been watching the replays for a while now and I came to conclusion that he didn't mean to hurt Haidara. If you pay attention it seems that he tried (in a really bad and goofy way, completely unbalanced with the body) to kick the ball as far as possible and when Haidara quickly moved it aside in the last moment he missed it and went on to hit the knee.

He's still a son a of a bitch cause he didn't even apologise and it's ridiculous that the referee didin't even give us the foul, but I'm quite sure he didn't mean it.

[Skeletor]

I've been watching the replays for a while now and I came to conclusion that he didn't mean to hurt Haidara. If you pay attention it seems that he tried (in a really bad and goofy way, completely unbalanced with the body)...

 

Stopped reading there.

[Guest Slippery Sam]

Whelan's comments are disgusting, Martinez' though:

 

"Remember it's Callum's full debut in the Premier League. I haven't seen the replay, I believe he touches the ball and then it's a bad challenge, but it's nothing malicious, he's not that sort of boy," Martinez told Sky Sports.

 

"It's the normal enthusiasm that you get in your debut.

 

"I can't really comment too much because I haven't seen the action but I can guarantee that Callum McManaman is a young man full of talent and in his debut probably showed the enthusiasm that you expect, but he's not a malicious player."

 

Regarding an apology, Martinez said: "I think he wants to contact the player. I don't know if he's done it already but he will do that because when you get an injury in that manner you obviously don't want to leave any bad feelings.

 

"If Callum hasn't apologised yet then he definitely will do that because we're a football club where those values are very important."

 

Says it looked a bad challenge but he cannot really comment until he has seen the replays; says that McManaman will definitely apologise "because [they're] a football club where those values are very important".

 

I honestly think those are good quotes from him after the game.

 

Martinez was asked if he/the club would be contacting the player. He did not think to say that himself first. 

 

We have all seen players make bad, accidental challenges and immediately hold their hands up in horror and go straight back to the injured player.  That shithead did not for one second give a flying f*** about Haidara - despite one of the worse screams I have ever heard on a football field by an injured player.  He did it deliberately imo, and showed absolutely no remorse.

 

Martinez will have seen the incident at half time and should have subbed him, yet he kept him on. He then subbed him later, so that a rousing applause was given by the home supporters; a crass decision at best.

[Guest bimpy474]

I've been watching the replays for a while now and I came to conclusion that he didn't mean to hurt Haidara. If you pay attention it seems that he tried (in a really bad and goofy way, completely unbalanced with the body) to kick the ball as far as possible and when Haidara quickly moved it aside in the last moment he missed it and went on to hit the knee.

He's still a son a of a bitch cause he didn't even apologise and it's ridiculous that the referee didin't even give us the foul, but I'm quite sure he didn't mean it.

 

No, you don't go to clear a ball in that manner, whether he intended to hurt Massy is a non issue for me (i suspect he didn't mean to hurt in the manner he did).

 

You take the tackle on it's own merits and it's a shocking tackle, as bad you can really get. And what makes it worse is, it's the kind of tackle that you as the tackler know you aren't getting hurt in.

[Guest loven Mag 11]

Still fucking foaming at these cunts. Who the fuck goes in for a tackle like that though?

 

You either stay on your feet and stick a leg out. Or you go to ground early and slide through the opposition player. Yet in this case, in my opinion he decides to attempt a sliding tackle about 2 foot away from Haidara, leaving him no time to adjust his body or even get to the ground to "SLIDE" along the grass.

 

Fucking McMegaCunt, hope your shit hole of a club goes down to the conference league in years to come.

[Guest ItalianMagpie]

I've been watching the replays for a while now and I came to conclusion that he didn't mean to hurt Haidara. If you pay attention it seems that he tried (in a really bad and goofy way, completely unbalanced with the body)...

 

Stopped reading there.

 

I know, I never said he did nothing wrong.

But to me he didn't mean to hurt, as I'm reading everywhere.

[Hanshithispantz]

Whelan's comments are disgusting, Martinez' though:

 

"Remember it's Callum's full debut in the Premier League. I haven't seen the replay, I believe he touches the ball and then it's a bad challenge, but it's nothing malicious, he's not that sort of boy," Martinez told Sky Sports.

 

"It's the normal enthusiasm that you get in your debut.

 

"I can't really comment too much because I haven't seen the action but I can guarantee that Callum McManaman is a young man full of talent and in his debut probably showed the enthusiasm that you expect, but he's not a malicious player."

 

Regarding an apology, Martinez said: "I think he wants to contact the player. I don't know if he's done it already but he will do that because when you get an injury in that manner you obviously don't want to leave any bad feelings.

 

"If Callum hasn't apologised yet then he definitely will do that because we're a football club where those values are very important."

 

Says it looked a bad challenge but he cannot really comment until he has seen the replays; says that McManaman will definitely apologise "because [they're] a football club where those values are very important".

 

I honestly think those are good quotes from him after the game.

 

Martinez was asked if he/the club would be contacting the player. He did not think to say that himself first. 

 

We have all seen players make bad, accidental challenges and immediately hold their hands up in horror and go straight back to the injured player.  That shithead did not for one second give a flying fuck about Haidara - despite one of the worse screams I have ever heard on a football player by an injured player.  He did it deliberately imo, and showed absolutely no remorse.

 

Martinez will have seen the incident at half time and should have subbed him, yet he kept him on. He then subbed him later, so that a rousing applause was given by the home supporters; a crass decision at best.

As a manager he's trying to win a game of football, you cannot expect him to sub the player because of his tackle. Let's not turn into RAWK here.

 

Saying he saw the tackle at half time is complete guesswork too, why would he have seen it?

[Wullie]

Stopped listening to the Times and Guardian football podcasts because of how shit we are and how much bollocks they talk but thought I'd listen today. Just downloaded the Times one, title is "Don't pillory McManaman" and they say the most disgraceful behaviour was John Carver.

 

Remembered why I stopped listening.

[Hanshithispantz]

I've been watching the replays for a while now and I came to conclusion that he didn't mean to hurt Haidara. If you pay attention it seems that he tried (in a really bad and goofy way, completely unbalanced with the body)...

 

Stopped reading there.

 

I know, I never said he did nothing wrong.

But to me he didn't mean to hurt, as I'm reading everywhere.

I havn't and won't study the video but claiming that he definitely meant to "do the player" is just as ridiculous as Whelan claiming it was a fair challenge. It was an awful tackle regardless.