BrettNUFC Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 He's playing so well on the wing, why suddenly move him to CF? Fullbacks most love having him in front of them, it's a huge positive for him that his work rate is actually preventing him from playing up top. I think it's great his team first attitude rather than being a self centered cunt like Ba who was all about himself and refused to put the team first like Gouff is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 He's playing so well on the wing, why suddenly move him to CF? Fullbacks most love having him in front of them, it's a huge positive for him that his work rate is actually preventing him from playing up top. I think it's great his team first attitude rather than being a self centered c*** like Ba who was all about himself and refused to put the team first like Gouff is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 That's true of Ba tbh. He'd rather shoot for his goal bonus than pass to Cisse a lot of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 That's true of Ba tbh. He'd rather shoot for his goal bonus than pass to Cisse a lot of the time. The same Demba Ba who, after scoring a phenomenal 15 goals in the first half of our best season in years, played out wide for us for half a season to the detriment of his own game? The same Demba Ba also, who, when played centrally again in the first half of last season (mostly alongside Cisse, not in place of) instantly regained his goal scoring touch and got an impressive 13 goals in 20 league appearances? Papiss Cisse has been asked to play four (!) games out wide last season (after a period of being out of form, not like Ba who was asked to play out wide when in the form of his life) and much has been made out of how Pardew mishandled him, messing with his mojo and what not. The fact is Demba Ba is a much better forward than Papiss Cisse. He had every right to request to be played centrally (if he even did as much, which is just presumption anyway as far as I know), and totally vindicated that decision. Here is a player who came here on a free and a fairly low reputation (most on here wanted another striker and considered him back up as best, myself included), who scored a phenomenal amount of goals and contributed to many more when played in his preferred position, played out wide for the good of the team (and to his own detriment) for months on end and left the club for a genuinely better proposition for a decent fee (considering we got him for free). Quite why our own fans hold such a grudge against him I will never know.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ba was ridiculously greedy at times mind. He'd often shoot when there was a better option to his right or left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ba was ridiculously greedy at times mind. He'd often shoot when there was a better option to his right or left. Most confident strikers are, and to be honest that is a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 All the highlights and discussion about his goal praise the ball from Cabaye , as they should it was a superb ball but non of them credit Gouf with great movement or timing. The way he just drifted away then ran around the back and got into that space at the perfect time. Had it been Rooney or Sturridge there would have been a wankfest over their amazing striker ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 That's true of Ba tbh. He'd rather shoot for his goal bonus than pass to Cisse a lot of the time. The same Demba Ba who, after scoring a phenomenal 15 goals in the first half of our best season in years, played out wide for us for half a season to the detriment of his own game? The same Demba Ba also, who, when played centrally again in the first half of last season (mostly alongside Cisse, not in place of) instantly regained his goal scoring touch and got an impressive 13 goals in 20 league appearances? Papiss Cisse has been asked to play four (!) games out wide last season (after a period of being out of form, not like Ba who was asked to play out wide when in the form of his life) and much has been made out of how Pardew mishandled him, messing with his mojo and what not. The fact is Demba Ba is a much better forward than Papiss Cisse. He had every right to request to be played centrally (if he even did as much, which is just presumption anyway as far as I know), and totally vindicated that decision. Here is a player who came here on a free and a fairly low reputation (most on here wanted another striker and considered him back up as best, myself included), who scored a phenomenal amount of goals and contributed to many more when played in his preferred position, played out wide for the good of the team (and to his own detriment) for months on end and left the club for a genuinely better proposition for a decent fee (considering we got him for free). Quite why our own fans hold such a grudge against him I will never know.. I assumed the "greedy Ba" thing was just created as an excuse for Cisse, surprised it is still being mentioned but it looks like its stuck with some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Strikers should be greedy but I don't think Benny should be classed as a striker, he is a creative midfielder and should play that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely fucked us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely fucked us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. He wanted to play in the position he was best in, nothing wrong with that tbh and I bet most forwards would be the same. We have seen since Ba left that he wasn't what stopped Cisse scoring so that excuse can go with the rest in the file marked 'Bullshit'. Ba was our best forward and not all that out wide. They should have been competing for a place rather than one being forced out wide. The blame lies with Ashley/Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Was it not Willian ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ba was no more greedy than Cisse is. Unlike Cisse he knew where the goal was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Was it not Willian ? Nah it was definitely Bosingwa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Was it not Willian ? Nah, definitely Bosingwa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely fucked us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. He wanted to play in the position he was best in, nothing wrong with that tbh and I bet most forwards would be the same. We have seen since Ba left that he wasn't what stopped Cisse scoring so that excuse can go with the rest in the file marked 'Bullshit'. Ba was our best forward and not all that out wide. They should have been competing for a place rather than one being forced out wide. The blame lies with Ashley/Pardew. Ba missed some sitters when he played wide left, wasn't like he was not getting opportunities to score, he just never took them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Gouffran loves punishing Bosingwa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely f***ed us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. He wanted to play in the position he was best in, nothing wrong with that tbh and I bet most forwards would be the same. We have seen since Ba left that he wasn't what stopped Cisse scoring so that excuse can go with the rest in the file marked 'Bullshit'. Ba was our best forward and not all that out wide. They should have been competing for a place rather than one being forced out wide. The blame lies with Ashley/Pardew. I wasn't mentioning anything about Cisse and his goals. More the fact I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have Ba's selfish attitude of I'm a CF and don't want to play on the wing. Gouffran is doing an excellent job and I have no doubt he will continue to do so wherever he maybe asked to play. That's what a team player is all about, not just playing in the position where you get the most accolade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely f***ed us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. Who says he did? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely f***ed us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. He wanted to play in the position he was best in, nothing wrong with that tbh and I bet most forwards would be the same. We have seen since Ba left that he wasn't what stopped Cisse scoring so that excuse can go with the rest in the file marked 'Bullshit'. Ba was our best forward and not all that out wide. They should have been competing for a place rather than one being forced out wide. The blame lies with Ashley/Pardew. I wasn't mentioning anything about Cisse and his goals. More the fact I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have Ba's selfish attitude of I'm a CF and don't want to play on the wing. Gouffran is doing an excellent job and I have no doubt he will continue to do so wherever he maybe asked to play. That's what a team player is all about, not just playing in the position where you get the most accolade. Maybe, and I certainly suspect this to be the case, we would be much better as a team with Gouffran played centrally at this point in time, rather than Cisse or Shola. Gouffran's work rate is absolutely fantastic, why you have to bring Ba into this I don't know, but he certainly isn't/wasn't the antithesis of Goufran as you seem to be advocating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I brung Ba into the equation because it still makes me angry the way he treated us so he could enhance his chances of a move away from the club for more money. Cisse was taking the headlines, Newcastle were winning but Ba wasn't content because he wasn't being noticed anymore. Fair play though because Pardew never had the spine to tell him to fuck off, he got his wish to play CF, he scored goals again, Newcastle's form stuttered to say the least and he fucked off to Chelsea on a nice wage. What a wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely f***ed us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. Who says he did? People have very selective memory. We dropped the 4-3-3 when we got tanked by Wigan and we beat Chelsea 0-2 in a 4-4-2. We started the season playing 4-4-2 and Ba scored the opener against Spurs. Our form dipped, so did Cisse's and Ba's and Pardew gave Ba the bench and we went 4-5-1 against Everton. Ba scores a brace off the bench and he earned his run through the middle. Cisse had yet to register single Premiership goal at that point. The next weekend Cisse skies a penalty but Ba had already scored. At that moment Cisse started to play a FEW games wide and that's it. Cisse's been shit because Cisse has been shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I brung Ba into the equation because it still makes me angry the way he treated us so he could enhance his chances of a move away from the club for more money. Cisse was taking the headlines, Newcastle were winning but Ba wasn't content because he wasn't being noticed anymore. Fair play though because Pardew never had the spine to tell him to f*** off, he got his wish to play CF, he scored goals again, Newcastle's form stuttered to say the least and he f***ed off to Chelsea on a nice wage. hat a w*****. Whilst you're completely wrong with everything you say there I don't feel there is a need to be so harsh on yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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