aussiemag Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I dont understand why people done rate this guy? Hes got a good turn of pace, rarely loses the ball, can turn on the ball well, plus works like a trojan. I think hes fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Aye his work rate is immense. Jonas + Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 My MOM yesterday. There's no one part of the game that's outstanding, but he's able to make a decent fist out of any situation that he finds himself in. Most strikingly, he's able to get back and protect his full back as well as get on the end of chances at the other end of the pitch. He's really established himself in the team now. I'd like to see him get a run at CF, but I've got to say that he does this extremely well. He holds that position on the wing so well. If he's been dragged away from LW when we attack, he's back in front of Santon within seconds if we lose the ball. He was fucking excellent yesterday. Yeah, and when he gets back he's not just there as a token presence to slow an attack down. He actually can defend a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 As soon as it left his boot you could tell it was different to his usual deliveries, flatter and quicker. Yup. Anything on the end of that and it was an almost certain goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I dont understand why people done rate this guy? Hes got a good turn of pace, rarely loses the ball, can turn on the ball well, plus works like a trojan. I think hes fantastic. most of the time when I read a compliment it seems like people are apologising for giving him praise, "despite his faults" sort of thing. He isn't Thierry Henry but he isn't some shite player who makes the most of his limited talent either. He is quick, intelligent, can pass, can score different types of goals and has immense work rate. Yeah he might not be as good as Carroll physically or as good a finisher as Ba but he certainly isn't making up for deficiencies. He is a very good player who deserves a crack in the centre and every reason thrown at his way for not starting I don't see Cisse being any better tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 He's playing so well on the wing, why suddenly move him to CF? Fullbacks most love having him in front of them, it's a huge positive for him that his work rate is actually preventing him from playing up top. I think it's great his team first attitude rather than being a self centered cunt like Ba who was all about himself and refused to put the team first like Gouff is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 He's playing so well on the wing, why suddenly move him to CF? Fullbacks most love having him in front of them, it's a huge positive for him that his work rate is actually preventing him from playing up top. I think it's great his team first attitude rather than being a self centered c*** like Ba who was all about himself and refused to put the team first like Gouff is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 That's true of Ba tbh. He'd rather shoot for his goal bonus than pass to Cisse a lot of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 That's true of Ba tbh. He'd rather shoot for his goal bonus than pass to Cisse a lot of the time. The same Demba Ba who, after scoring a phenomenal 15 goals in the first half of our best season in years, played out wide for us for half a season to the detriment of his own game? The same Demba Ba also, who, when played centrally again in the first half of last season (mostly alongside Cisse, not in place of) instantly regained his goal scoring touch and got an impressive 13 goals in 20 league appearances? Papiss Cisse has been asked to play four (!) games out wide last season (after a period of being out of form, not like Ba who was asked to play out wide when in the form of his life) and much has been made out of how Pardew mishandled him, messing with his mojo and what not. The fact is Demba Ba is a much better forward than Papiss Cisse. He had every right to request to be played centrally (if he even did as much, which is just presumption anyway as far as I know), and totally vindicated that decision. Here is a player who came here on a free and a fairly low reputation (most on here wanted another striker and considered him back up as best, myself included), who scored a phenomenal amount of goals and contributed to many more when played in his preferred position, played out wide for the good of the team (and to his own detriment) for months on end and left the club for a genuinely better proposition for a decent fee (considering we got him for free). Quite why our own fans hold such a grudge against him I will never know.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ba was ridiculously greedy at times mind. He'd often shoot when there was a better option to his right or left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ba was ridiculously greedy at times mind. He'd often shoot when there was a better option to his right or left. Most confident strikers are, and to be honest that is a good thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 All the highlights and discussion about his goal praise the ball from Cabaye , as they should it was a superb ball but non of them credit Gouf with great movement or timing. The way he just drifted away then ran around the back and got into that space at the perfect time. Had it been Rooney or Sturridge there would have been a wankfest over their amazing striker ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 That's true of Ba tbh. He'd rather shoot for his goal bonus than pass to Cisse a lot of the time. The same Demba Ba who, after scoring a phenomenal 15 goals in the first half of our best season in years, played out wide for us for half a season to the detriment of his own game? The same Demba Ba also, who, when played centrally again in the first half of last season (mostly alongside Cisse, not in place of) instantly regained his goal scoring touch and got an impressive 13 goals in 20 league appearances? Papiss Cisse has been asked to play four (!) games out wide last season (after a period of being out of form, not like Ba who was asked to play out wide when in the form of his life) and much has been made out of how Pardew mishandled him, messing with his mojo and what not. The fact is Demba Ba is a much better forward than Papiss Cisse. He had every right to request to be played centrally (if he even did as much, which is just presumption anyway as far as I know), and totally vindicated that decision. Here is a player who came here on a free and a fairly low reputation (most on here wanted another striker and considered him back up as best, myself included), who scored a phenomenal amount of goals and contributed to many more when played in his preferred position, played out wide for the good of the team (and to his own detriment) for months on end and left the club for a genuinely better proposition for a decent fee (considering we got him for free). Quite why our own fans hold such a grudge against him I will never know.. I assumed the "greedy Ba" thing was just created as an excuse for Cisse, surprised it is still being mentioned but it looks like its stuck with some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Strikers should be greedy but I don't think Benny should be classed as a striker, he is a creative midfielder and should play that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely fucked us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely fucked us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. He wanted to play in the position he was best in, nothing wrong with that tbh and I bet most forwards would be the same. We have seen since Ba left that he wasn't what stopped Cisse scoring so that excuse can go with the rest in the file marked 'Bullshit'. Ba was our best forward and not all that out wide. They should have been competing for a place rather than one being forced out wide. The blame lies with Ashley/Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Was it not Willian ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Ba was no more greedy than Cisse is. Unlike Cisse he knew where the goal was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Was it not Willian ? Nah it was definitely Bosingwa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Played really well yesterday. Loved it when he pushed Bosingwa (I think) into the advertising boards! Bosingwa Was it not Willian ? Nah, definitely Bosingwa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely fucked us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. He wanted to play in the position he was best in, nothing wrong with that tbh and I bet most forwards would be the same. We have seen since Ba left that he wasn't what stopped Cisse scoring so that excuse can go with the rest in the file marked 'Bullshit'. Ba was our best forward and not all that out wide. They should have been competing for a place rather than one being forced out wide. The blame lies with Ashley/Pardew. Ba missed some sitters when he played wide left, wasn't like he was not getting opportunities to score, he just never took them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Gouffran loves punishing Bosingwa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We were playing well with Cisse banging them in and Ba was playing well on the wing just not scoring. What right did he think he had over the team to say I'm not playing on the wing anymore, I'm playing CF. Completely f***ed us a team, we weren't the same team with the two up top or Cisse out wide. Ba might have scored goals again when back up top but we weren't half the team anymore, he chose his personal success over team success. I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have that attitude. He wanted to play in the position he was best in, nothing wrong with that tbh and I bet most forwards would be the same. We have seen since Ba left that he wasn't what stopped Cisse scoring so that excuse can go with the rest in the file marked 'Bullshit'. Ba was our best forward and not all that out wide. They should have been competing for a place rather than one being forced out wide. The blame lies with Ashley/Pardew. I wasn't mentioning anything about Cisse and his goals. More the fact I'm happy Gouffran doesn't have Ba's selfish attitude of I'm a CF and don't want to play on the wing. Gouffran is doing an excellent job and I have no doubt he will continue to do so wherever he maybe asked to play. That's what a team player is all about, not just playing in the position where you get the most accolade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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