Guest icemanblue Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 You're on the edge, taxfree. Almost out of the gang here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Stability. It's tricky. SBR had a few poor seasons at the start of his reign, but we persevered. Because he was Bobby Robson. In five years time Pardew is still gonna be Alan Pardew. We improved league position. Finished 11th twice. Apart from his 3 top 5 finishes. We've only been higher than 11th twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I really want us to give a manager 5-6 years and see where we are. Even just a decent-ish young manager like Rodgers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 You're on the edge, taxfree. Almost out of the gang here. What are you on about? I'm in a gang? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 You know what would be awesome? Lots more arguments about when Pardew should have been or should be sacked and which posters said what about it, when, and with what tone. moar pls Well stick around then mate, you'll like what you see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 You know what would be awesome? Lots more arguments about when Pardew should have been or should be sacked and which posters said what about it, when, and with what tone. moar pls Well stick around then mate, you'll like what you see. Bring it on, bring it bring it on now... bring it on, bring it bring it on now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I really want us to give a manager 5-6 years and see where we are. Even just a decent-ish young manager like Rodgers. Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 don't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Stability. It's tricky. SBR had a few poor seasons at the start of his reign, but we persevered. Because he was Bobby Robson. In five years time Pardew is still gonna be Alan Pardew. We improved league position. Finished 11th twice. Apart from his 3 top 5 finishes. We've only been higher than 11th twice. In what time frame? We've finished in the Premier League top half 9 times I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I really want us to give a manager 5-6 years and see where we are. Even just a decent-ish young manager like Rodgers. I'd love that, I really would. I want a manager to have enough time to build a lasting legacy at the club. However, I don't think you can't just hope to get lucky with it, you have to appoint someone who has a track record of delivering success or at the very least someone who has shown huge potential (preferably at a couple of different clubs). That way, even if the team go through a bad patch the fans still have confidence that the team will come good and will stay on board. Unfortunately, in Pardew we have a guy who doesn't instill confidence in most of us because he hasn't achieved anything of note anywhere else. He's been relegated with two different clubs and he's never won a trophy as a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Stability. It's tricky. SBR had a few poor seasons at the start of his reign, but we persevered. Because he was Bobby Robson. In five years time Pardew is still gonna be Alan Pardew. We improved league position. Finished 11th twice. Apart from his 3 top 5 finishes. We've only been higher than 11th twice. In what time frame? We've finished in the Premier League top half 9 times I think. Obviously since SBR took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Not sure what people are on with stability? Stability would be something great to have if we had a good manager in place which suit the players. The fundamental issues on the field must 1st be solved, the difference in style between the players and the English style manager. The recruiting system which heavily defers from the origins of the Manager. If we survive , its a question of either backing the manager with his type of players or Getting someone else in thats fits the mold of the current group of players. Its not unfounded that when we bought more technical players into the team gradually , we started to perform worst with each game passing. Its simply impossible for the technical players to play with aggression instead of the natural pass and move game. This is a running issue that needs to be address first before the club can actually stabilize. The majority of the fans will sing the same tune, i don't think its just 20% of the base being unhappy right now. There is a split not only in the dressing room but also the fans base now, clearly due to the issues of performances and results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We don't know there's a split in the dressing room, and there's always a split in the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCONA Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I really want us to give a manager 5-6 years and see where we are. Even just a decent-ish young manager like Rodgers. I'd love that, I really would. I want a manager to have enough time to build a lasting legacy at the club. However, I don't think you can't just hope to get lucky with it, you have to appoint someone who has a track record of delivering success or at the very least someone who has shown huge potential (preferably at a couple of different clubs). That way, even if the team go through a bad patch the fans still have confidence that the team will come good and will stay on board. Unfortunately, in Pardew we have a guy who doesn't instill confidence in most of us because he hasn't achieved anything of note anywhere else. He's been relegated with two different clubs and he's never won a trophy as a manager. Don't forget the 2009-10 Johnstone's Paint Trophy with Southampton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance. Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance. Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season? Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I really want us to give a manager 5-6 years and see where we are. Even just a decent-ish young manager like Rodgers. I'd love that, I really would. I want a manager to have enough time to build a lasting legacy at the club. However, I don't think you can't just hope to get lucky with it, you have to appoint someone who has a track record of delivering success or at the very least someone who has shown huge potential (preferably at a couple of different clubs). That way, even if the team go through a bad patch the fans still have confidence that the team will come good and will stay on board. Unfortunately, in Pardew we have a guy who doesn't instill confidence in most of us because he hasn't achieved anything of note anywhere else. He's been relegated with two different clubs and he's never won a trophy as a manager. Don't forget the 2009-10 Johnstone's Paint Trophy with Southampton. I stand corrected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 We don't know there's a split in the dressing room, and there's always a split in the fans. I agree the extreme split is showing some clear concerns , if it were things that could be compromised on fair enough. However its a clear rift of opinions base on the manager. Not sure if this has any substance http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/10046444/Fabricio-Coloccini-admits-there-were-divisions-in-Newcastle-squad-as-David-Ginola-blasts-French-contingent.html I think at this stage of the season with it being so close, it would only be logical that there are differing opinions. Just not sure if its with the manager or the among the players themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance. Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season? Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us. Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Stability. It's tricky. SBR had a few poor seasons at the start of his reign, but we persevered. Because he was Bobby Robson. In five years time Pardew is still gonna be Alan Pardew. We improved league position. Finished 11th twice. Apart from his 3 top 5 finishes. We've only been higher than 11th twice. In what time frame? We've finished in the Premier League top half 9 times I think. The years since he left. Our first 4 years with KK was top 6 finishes. Since then we've only finished top half in Bobby's 3 top 5 seasons, Roeder's 7th and Pardew's 5th. We've never finished 8th,9th or 10th. It's a European push or nothing with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance. Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season? Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us. Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud. When were we in 'free fall' last season, like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance. Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season? Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us. Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud. When were we in 'free fall' last season, like? Can you not remember Pards' charity skydive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 While I agree in an ideal world we would stick with a manager through the bad times, there also has to be some sort of reason behind this other than "stability". This could come in various forms such as, players all pulling together for the manager or style of play. In the case of the players, I don't honestly think (in my opinion) that they are. We know Colo had a fall out with him, Pardew said so himself and Cabaye doesn't look happy at all. This of course, is all just my opinion but watching the team play, it doesn't look like a team that knows their own teammates names let alone what they are supposed to be doing on the pitch. This then brings me onto the second, and most important point.... style of play. Or should I say, lack of it. We seem to have the mentality of sit back for 80mins, then hope Cisse scores in the last few minutes. Regardless of the opposition. When was the last time we dominated a game? How many times have we won by 2 goals? Then there is the set pieces. If Cabaye doesn't score direct, we don't score. And everyone knows about the corner situation. If we are behind/level/in front (yeah righto) with 15mins to go... Hoy on Shola. Why? When was the last time he has done anything bar give away fouls? Our shape goes more and more out the window with every substitution he makes, it's infuriating. And that is it for me, Pardew just doesn't learn from what is happening. Everyone can call his subs 10mins before he makes them. If we can do it, so can the opposing manager. This obviously makes us a lot easier to play against. The bottom line for me is, either Pardew can't see the mistakes he's making, in which case he should go. Or he, like the rest of us, can see what's going wrong but doesn't know how to fix it, in which case he should go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Pardew got this season wrong, and we've had no luck this year for him to hide behind. However he should be given at least another half season, a fresh start, to prove that he is capable. He's earned that from last season's performance. Like we played well thanks to him last season? People forgetting the hoofing before Ben Arfa saved our season? Ben Arfa is one of our players TBF, he's allowed to win points for us. Did I say anything else? In my opinion a manager should be able to manage a team no matter players. He'll get better results from better players, but he should be able to adapt. Pardew hasn't shown any signs of that in either seasons here. As soon as our defence buckled last season we were sent into a free-fall until Man U game and then until Ben Arfa came back. Pardew hasn't shown once that he can be a successful manager under his tenure here as shown this season. I'd love to be proven wrong, but his fifty different excuses for every loss or points loss shows he's a fraud. When were we in 'free fall' last season, like? ?? Check out our fixtures. After our 13 game unbeaten run or how many games it now was, we only won one out of the next 8. We then won 4 out of the next 9 before Benny started playing and we won 6 straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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