Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 You just talk at constant cross purposes Brett. You're incredibly proud of this team and think they're "very good" but only good enough to finish 8th, absolute maximum? Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind. At this present moment, it's progression, not just scrapping our away to top 8 though, to look a confidenct side who is going places, i'm realistic enough to think we aren't shifting Liverpool out the top 6 but we just need to keep looking at ourselves and improving ourselves to try and move forward as a club. It's difficult under this regime and it's not being made any easier by the top 6 heavily funding their squads leaving us to fall furthur behind whilst teams around us improve to try and compete with us. If we can look back on this year and think we have given a good account for ourselves and played some good football, i'd be happy. What's this about Liverpool anyway? It's not like they've always sewn up that 6th place finish. I'm not suggesting that it's us that will take it, obviously, but I don't know why you keep mentioning them as if there's a always been a massive gap in the way that there was with the top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind. Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with? I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone. What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie? Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace. Aye, in the stands. I was there. The Toon Army turned on manager Alan Pardew for the first time this season, taunting him with chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing” http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-1-2-reading-alan-pardew-1546825#ixzz2h2VEwoJp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 He deserved a bit of abuse after that Reading game like, I wanted him sacked myself. That means it was bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 If I thought that we were a very good side, I'd be disappointed with finishing 8th. I just realise the top 6 have improved greatly over past couple of year and the task of catching them up is becoming harder. It's a tough league, just got to try and keep pushing on and bring the calibre of players like Remy to the club. Not an easy task but we have improved the talent within our squad over the years but just not as quickly as the top teams can afford to do it. Ignoring the semantics of being a very good side for the moment (fwiw a very good side shouldn't be happy with 8th imo) I don't think those sides have improved in so much as the others have fallen away. The collective gap is still the same imo. The only teams that have clearly improved are Liverpool imo. Arsenal look better, but the rest have dropped a level in quality or remained the same, imo. Spurs have just bought themselves a new squad what should be good enough to challenge for title, they haven't even unleashed Lamela yet. Only the champions have really failed to move forward, the rest have done so. Just because i think we are a good side doesn't mean to say i think we are better than Liverpool and should be taking their 6th place finish. We are behind them in terms of quality. You have people on here saying 8th isn't good enough but then think we will be in a relegation battle. Neither of those two things are mutually exclusive. Just because you won't accept one thing, doesn't mean you'll accept another. You wouldn't take a tenner for your car just because you've been offered a quid. 8th isn't good enough in terms of our current ambition. Absolutely not. Never. It's certainly not good enough for a side that I would ever describe as very good. Well what do you want this side to do? Magically conjure up another level of ability and break the top 6? I'm sure our players will give it their best shot in doing so but unfortunately it's going to be hard when likes of Liverpool who are probably favourites for 6th spot aren't going to drop that many points to fall out of it. You can't see any side in that top 6 realistically falling short of it because of the talent they have. It’s not like us and likes of Everton are poor, it’s just the top 6 is very strong this year. Magically conjure? Nah, I'd like us to put our collective playing talent to good use and win football matches with positive tactical game plans, play as a team and go out there and play with confidence. To have an owner that invests into the team and to actually strives to get there rather than just be happy with staying in the league and not bothering with any cups. I'd like a manager that isn't f***ing s****. You know, that kind of magic hocus pocus that we support a team for. The basics. Magically conjure ffs. Jesus. Yes and i'm sure every Newcastle fan in the world would love that? So does that mean because our owner isn't splashing the cash every window and hasn't hired a top manager we should dismiss our talent on the pitch because they aren't good enough for top 6? Players are giving it their all for us, showed great character on Saturday to get us those 3 points, the realistic finishing position for them is top 8, I believe in them to succeed it, what is wrong with saying that? It’s just expectations at this present moment. I'm either confusing what pride and 'very good' mean, or your top 8 prediction in the face of that is really unambitious, imo. Well cmon then KI, where do expect us to finish? I'm not talking about ambition/potential or any of that, where do you see us finishing in the league this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace. Aye, in the stands. I was there. The Toon Army turned on manager Alan Pardew for the first time this season, taunting him with chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing” http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-1-2-reading-alan-pardew-1546825#ixzz2h2VEwoJp Pardew is more unpopular in cyberspace too by the way... http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,48146.msg1119974.html#msg1119974 Two weeks before the sack it was 50-50. See if you can get half the posters on here to support Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 But we are left with a rare opportunity in the ownership of Mike Ashley, one where he can sack the manager and not have the manager coming in on the back foot. Anyone Ashley appointed should benefit from an overwhelmingly positive reaction from the stands. There are doubtless dozens of young up and coming managers around the world that would be made welcome, or if Ashley showed the ambition to go and get a proven manager with years of experience the entire club would be lifted. The eternal optimism I have still keeps me hoping Pardew can put a run together. That optimism, i know in my heart, is about as misplaced as any optimism that Ashley can correct the litany of mistakes above and bring in a man to unite us all on a charge up the table. The more likely appointment would be Kinnearesque, if not Kinnear himself. ...but if Ashley ever had the opportunity to make a popular decision, it could follow the upcoming games against Liverpool, Sunderland, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs. Interesting point that actually, but wouldn't it depend on the new guy starting really well? Otherwise we would just say "he's unproven, unknown cheap appointment, same as usual from Ashley". On the contrary, I'd be impressed that we'd done some homework before appointing a manager if he was similar to Pochettino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace. Aye, in the stands. I was there. The Toon Army turned on manager Alan Pardew for the first time this season, taunting him with chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing” http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-1-2-reading-alan-pardew-1546825#ixzz2h2VEwoJp You yourself made the point that people were singing "Pardew is our King" in a point that you were making about how the support for Pardew is still there in the stadium... Think someone on here mentioned their utter disbelief that the Straberry corner would sing "Pardew is our King" during the Hull game. So a vocal contingent in the stadium are still supportive. There was none of that under Allardyce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace. Aye, in the stands. I was there. The Toon Army turned on manager Alan Pardew for the first time this season, taunting him with chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing” http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-1-2-reading-alan-pardew-1546825#ixzz2h2VEwoJp You don't know what you're doing. I said fans were far more vocal in their dissent of Allardyce than Pardew thusfar. It's non-contentious, feel free to disagree but you're wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. Give over has he. You forgot the Reading Home game in January? THAT was vitriol. Just because it was 10 months ago it doesn't mean he's had it for 10 months though. Pardew got off very, very lightly last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind. Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with? I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone. What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie? Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season. I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. Give over has he. You forgot the Reading Home game in January? THAT was vitriol. Just because it was 10 months ago it doesn't mean he's had it for 10 months though. Pardew got off very, very lightly last season. Pretty incredible when you consider we were thrashed at home in successive matches by Sunderland then Liverpool. Got off lightly is putting it mildly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable. Is there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 You just talk at constant cross purposes Brett. You're incredibly proud of this team and think they're "very good" but only good enough to finish 8th, absolute maximum? Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind. At this present moment, it's progression, not just scrapping our away to top 8 though, to look a confidenct side who is going places, i'm realistic enough to think we aren't shifting Liverpool out the top 6 but we just need to keep looking at ourselves and improving ourselves to try and move forward as a club. It's difficult under this regime and it's not being made any easier by the top 6 heavily funding their squads leaving us to fall furthur behind whilst teams around us improve to try and compete with us. If we can look back on this year and think we have given a good account for ourselves and played some good football, i'd be happy. What's this about Liverpool anyway? It's not like they've always sewn up that 6th place finish. I'm not suggesting that it's us that will take it, obviously, but I don't know why you keep mentioning them as if there's a always been a massive gap in the way that there was with the top 4. That's just my opinion, i think this year, i can't see anything other than Man Utd/Man City/Arsenal/Chelsea/Spurs/Liverpool. It hasn't always been the case for that, usually one team that might fail but i like the look of all them sides and they will be extremely hard to catch, if someone fancies Everton to bring in this season, or even us, that's their opinion but i can't see it, i think they have improved a ton fold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind. Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with? I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone. What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie? Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season. I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade. Brett? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable. Is there? You forgot the Reading Home game in January? THAT was vitriol. Yes there is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The chance for a positive change at the club is very intriguing, because it's one that Ashley has rarely given himself the opportunity for previously. Allardyce was not a popular man, but he was nowhere near as unpopular as Pardew seems to be. His sacking was welcome to most, but not being openly demanded by large proportions of the support. Ashley took the edge off when he did sack Big Sam though though when he went after Harry Redknapp (or Redknapp took the edge off, going public on his rejection). The subsequent arrival of Keegan was as close as Ashley has got to exciting the fans with an appointment. There were those of us that saw what he can do at this club last time around and never doubted he was our best chance of building something again, given the support from above which everyone who knows anything about Keegan knows he demands. There were some Newcastle fans that bought into the media fueled view that "the return of the messiah" was a hiding to nothing, that Keegan had been tactically short when he was last in maagement and was doomed to failure because he hadn't been in the game for a few years, it certainly wasn't a universal welcome. Having attended games at the end of Allardyce's tenure he was deeply unpopular. The atmosphere in the 0-3 defeat by Liverpool was truly toxic towards Allardyce. Fans were vitriolic with him during that game and he was barracked from all corners of the ground. Pardew's had that for 10 months man Longer than Allardyce's entire stint. I'm on about in the ground. Not cyberspace. Aye, in the stands. I was there. The Toon Army turned on manager Alan Pardew for the first time this season, taunting him with chants of “you don’t know what you’re doing” http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-1-2-reading-alan-pardew-1546825#ixzz2h2VEwoJp You yourself made the point that people were singing 'Pardew's Black and White Army' in a point that you were making about how the support for Pardew is still there in the stadium... Think someone on here mentioned their utter disbelief that the Straberry corner would sing "Pardew is our King" during the Hull game. So a vocal contingent in the stadium are still supportive. There was none of that under Allardyce. I was at the Stoke cup game before Allardyce got the sack and he was applauded off the field. There are pockets of staunch support no matter what. Their unpopularity is probably about even tbf, it's just been allowed to go on much longer under Pardew so there's been more embarrassing home defeats that have weakened his position and longer for his poll numbers to go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 There's actually someone defending Pardew for the Reading game. Unbelievable. Is there? You forgot the Reading Home game in January? THAT was vitriol. Yes there is. How in any fevered imagination could that be construed as a defense of Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I'm properly lost here, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind. Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with? I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone. What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie? Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season. I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade. Not sure who has said this like. 8th with one or two decent cup runs would qualify as a good season though. With the money of the top 5/6 and our owner, this is always going to be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 How in any fevered imagination could that be construed as a defense of Pardew? You don't think he deserves all the abuse he got for that game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I assume it's quiet because people are sick to death of the wums and don't bother posting. Aye, that'll be it. Nice fishing Jack. Hope you're enjoying all this xx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Coming in 8th out of 20 is something that would please you. That just absolutely boggles my mind. Is there a back four among the leagues best 7 clubs you would not swap with? I'd prefer to have the ones we've got being coached correctly before I'd go rushing out to swap anyone. What's the next painfully depressing and wildly incorrect prediction Wullie? Took us 2 games to rise above the 16th position we supposedly wouldn't move from all season. I leave the painfully depressing stuff to the "8th is fantastic" brigade. Brett? He's quoted it like i've said that. Wullie thinks we should be pushing into top 6 but thinks we are in a relegation battle, ambitious pessimistic clown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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