Guest bimpy474 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't want Pardew to fail any more than I want Shola to fail. But they're both shit. If Shola comes back against Liverpool and scores the winner, he's still shit. I don't know why this seems to be such a difficult concept to grasp for some people. They become desperate for the man to have "credit" for a decent half here or a decent half there (let's face it, it's never been a full game for a long time). I don't change my mind on a player's long term suitability based on 45 minutes especially if they have a second half catastrophe, why is the manager different? Pardew "turning things round" and getting the absolute consistent best out of these players is as likely to happen as Shola turning into Didier Drogba. Feel free to hope as much as you like but don't whinge when other people call you out on talking nonsense. I don't understand why supporters slag Ameobi off when he's played and we only had the likes of Ranger on the bench. Fair enough to criticise when the alternative is an improvement. Otherwise its just a case of cwying and cwying until you're blue in the face. What has the standard of the bench have to do with the ability of Ameobi and his performances, Shola is either good enough or he's not. He isn't and that's simply the way it is. He doesn't suddenly become better because a worse player is on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't understand why supporters slag Ameobi off when he's played and we only had the likes of Ranger on the bench. Fair enough to criticise when the alternative is an improvement. Otherwise its just a case of cwying and cwying until you're blue in the face. So if your lass serves a turd on a plate you'll happily eat it without complaining if she has nothing better to feed you with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't understand why supporters slag Ameobi off when he's played and we only had the likes of Ranger on the bench. Fair enough to criticise when the alternative is an improvement. Otherwise its just a case of cwying and cwying until you're blue in the face. So if your lass serves a turd on a plate you'll happily eat it without complaining if she has nothing better to feed you with? Speaking of which, my dinner is about to set the fire alarm off. I am hungry mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Speaking of which, my dinner is about to set the fire alarm off. I am hungry mind. Enjoy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't understand why supporters slag Ameobi off when he's played and we only had the likes of Ranger on the bench. Fair enough to criticise when the alternative is an improvement. Otherwise its just a case of cwying and cwying until you're blue in the face. So if your lass serves a turd on a plate you'll happily eat it without complaining if she has nothing better to feed you with? She could at least coat it in fanny batter first like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 She could at least coat it in fanny batter first like. I'm trying to tie that in with Shola and I'm struggling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I don't understand why supporters slag Ameobi off when he's played and we only had the likes of Ranger on the bench. Fair enough to criticise when the alternative is an improvement. Otherwise its just a case of cwying and cwying until you're blue in the face. So if your lass serves a turd on a plate you'll happily eat it without complaining if she has nothing better to feed you with? You obviously missed the analogies I made with my wife earlier in the thread. Absolutely she's shite at some stuff. But I'm no oil painting so I take what I can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A decent half here, a decent half there, the whole of the 2011-12 season. Minor details. Has anyone changed their mind on the back of the Cardiff performance? I see no evidence to suggest this. Don't know how many times it has been discussed that not everyone agrees with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The entire 2011-2012 season was pure luck but last year was down entirely to Pardew being shit. Apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The 2011-2012 season we won a lot of 50-50 matches and didn't have many bad injuries, the following season we barely competed in 50-50 games and had lots of injuries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think 2011-12 was the perfect storm of good - and the next season was basically the reverse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The entire 2011-2012 season was pure luck but last year was down entirely to Pardew being shit. Apparently. Try harder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 First season was lucky, last season was unlucky, both are unsustainable. Pardew isn't the man to make this team a sustainable force, we're going nowhere under him and 45 mins of false dawn football once every other match won't make me think otherwise. Like I said yesterday NUFC deserves better and I don't think we should be settling for less on the back of a few half arsed wins! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. What's the alternative? How anyone can look at Pardew's managerial record and suggest he's going to improve is beyond me. I understand what you're saying, but even with an owner with zero ambition you can have a young ambitious manager who can use what he has at his disposal. I don't expect us to be getting the likes of Hiddink or poaching Wenger from Arsenal, however we could hope for someone even marginally better than Pardew. He can't be the best we can hope for under the constraints we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. What's the alternative? How anyone can look at Pardew's managerial record and suggest he's going to improve is beyond me. I understand what you're saying, but even with an owner with zero ambition you can have a young ambitious manager who can use what he has at his disposal. I don't expect us to be getting the likes of Hiddink or poaching Wenger from Arsenal, however we could hope for someone even marginally better than Pardew. He can't be the best we can hope for under the constraints we have. I'm not saying you can't hope. I'm just saying I've got none. I just don't think Ashley is in the least bit interested beyond keeping us afloat - which this year Pardew will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. They could follow their recruitment policy and hire a foreign manager, who would be more than happy with Pardew's wages. Chances are he'll be an improvement, and it wouldn't hurt to have a manager who is more accomplished at speaking english. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. They could follow their recruitment policy and hire a foreign manager, who would be more than happy with Pardew's wages. Chances are he'll be an improvement, and it wouldn't hurt to have a manager who is more accomplished at speaking english. Oh Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mattoon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. What's the alternative? How anyone can look at Pardew's managerial record and suggest he's going to improve is beyond me. I understand what you're saying, but even with an owner with zero ambition you can have a young ambitious manager who can use what he has at his disposal. I don't expect us to be getting the likes of Hiddink or poaching Wenger from Arsenal, however we could hope for someone even marginally better than Pardew. He can't be the best we can hope for under the constraints we have. I'm not saying you can't hope. I'm just saying I've got none. I just don't think Ashley is in the least bit interested beyond keeping us afloat - which this year Pardew will. Not that I'm pointing at you but it just seems some are willing to hope that Pardew can get better but not hope that we could hire an improvement on him. Baffling! Though I don't blame you for feeling ambivalent it's the best we can hope for right now IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of shit to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. What's the alternative? How anyone can look at Pardew's managerial record and suggest he's going to improve is beyond me. I understand what you're saying, but even with an owner with zero ambition you can have a young ambitious manager who can use what he has at his disposal. I don't expect us to be getting the likes of Hiddink or poaching Wenger from Arsenal, however we could hope for someone even marginally better than Pardew. He can't be the best we can hope for under the constraints we have. I'm not saying you can't hope. I'm just saying I've got none. I just don't think Ashley is in the least bit interested beyond keeping us afloat - which this year Pardew will. Not that I'm pointing at you but it just seems some are willing to hope that Pardew can get better but not hope that we could hire an improvement on him. Baffling! Though I don't blame you for feeling ambivalent it's the best we can hope for right now IMHO. He doesn't need to get better. He'll take us exactly where we - as a club - want to be. Which is sad but it's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of s*** to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Nah it's basically the same for any manager after a while. Pretty much every single manager apart from Keegan people have wanted rid of - in the last few decades anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of s*** to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Nah it's basically the same for any manager after a while. Pretty much every single manager apart from Keegan people have wanted rid of - in the last few decades anyway. Aye, that's nowhere near accurate, like. Keegan x2, SBR, Hughton and arguably Shearer were all wanted by the majority at the time that they left/were sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A. They wont pay for a better manager. B. They wont back him if they do. How anyone can look at Ashley's recruitment record and suggest he's going to improve on Pardew is beyond me. It's blind hope. There's ZERO ambition other than to exist. So people can scream for him to be sacked till they're blue in the face and I'll let them because they'll do the same for the next guy. If it's Kinnear then you will be right, I'll be screaming for him to be sacked as well. As someone very wisely said a few pages back, it's like Andy in the Shawshank Redemption where he has to crawl through a tunnel of s*** to get to freedom. You have to start the process somewhere. Nah it's basically the same for any manager after a while. Pretty much every single manager apart from Keegan people have wanted rid of - in the last few decades anyway. Aye, that's nowhere near accurate, like. Keegan x2, SBR, Hughton and arguably Shearer were all wanted by the majority at the time that they left/were sacked. There were plenty people who wanted rid of Robson mind and Hughton had plenty of critics too. Shearer - I can't really say either way tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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