Guest neesy111 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Scapegoated. Again - this may be applicable to yourself Don - but this is exactly my point. People don't see the bigger picture at the club. Nonsense, most fans on here see the bigger picture, they just think Pardew is a shit coach and manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Scapegoated. Again - this may be applicable to yourself Don - but this is exactly my point. People don't see the bigger picture at the club. Nonsense, most fans on here see the bigger picture, they just think Pardew is a s*** coach and manager. So they're getting wound up - on a regular basis - for pretty much nothing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Scapegoated. Again - this may be applicable to yourself Don - but this is exactly my point. People don't see the bigger picture at the club. Nonsense, most fans on here see the bigger picture, they just think Pardew is a s*** coach and manager. So they're getting wound up - on a regular basis - for pretty much nothing? That's just your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 People were spitting venom because he was on goals on Sunday man. It'll be the same for the next guy under Ashley - i.e bigger picture. Underinvestment, they'll undermine him, they'll make him take the press conference on his own, have him selling players, It's blindingly obvious man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I think that Goals on Sunday thing was a parody, it does you no favours to suggest that everyone here has the same opinion anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 And there's absolutely nothing wrong with being frustrated with the manager even if he's not the biggest problem at the club. He still makes some ridiculous mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I'm not referencing people specifically on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 What the hell are you on about then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 And there's absolutely nothing wrong with being frustrated with the manager even if he's not the biggest problem at the club. He still makes some ridiculous mistakes. Yeap. Many do see the bigger picture, still doesn't excuse Pardew's decisions etc as a coach/manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I'm not referencing people specifically on here Well you're on a forum with NUFC fans, who are you exactly targeting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 The fact is we have a squad full of International players....not Internationals from Haiti or Papua New Guinea or even Austria. Internationals from countries with good footballing pedigree. France, Argentina, Italy and Holland. Countries that do well in World Cups. So to an extent, the under investment is moot. What isn't moot is that generally, with this current manager pulling the strings, we play football not suited to World Cups and European Championships or Copa Americas, but to Conferance level. High , long aimless balls to nobody. We've had a season where we've finished just above the relegation places due to the manager not being able to get anything like the best from these players. They cannot be bad players, as their tally of caps show so we have to assume that the Manager isn't doing his job correctly. Or more to the point, look at his career history and you'd fairly summise, he's not able to do his job correctly. That is the bigger picture irrespective of what the Pardew fanboys will have you believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Yep, bang on. What I will add is that even if Pardew is trying to play 'front-foot' football or whatever he calls it, look at how shit we are as a team and that tells another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Of all the countries you could've used, Austria? Apart from that a fucking great post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Of all the countries you could've used, Austria? Apart from that a fucking great post. I was putting Australia, began thinking of America and got sidetracked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 It's not a great post really, is it? Harps on about the perceived qualities of 'international players' without even considering the actual ability of our players And anyone who has seen us this season can't say we have been attempting to play 'conference level' football. The football yesterday was substandard, that goes without saying, but don't make our squad out to be something it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 It's not a great post really, is it? Harps on about the perceived qualities of 'international players' without even considering the actual ability of our players And anyone who has seen us this season can't say we have been attempting to play 'conference level' football. The football yesterday was substandard, that goes without saying, but don't make our squad out to be something it isn't. It really isn't a squad that should be finishing 16th in the Premier League though and that's why the blame should lie at the managers door. I don't think any manager would be immune from criticism for the type of season we had last year - even if it was the most likeable bloke in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I'll be interested to see how we look against Sunderland. Everyone agrees they are a dire team with one of the weakest squads in the league and now a manager who most here wouldn't want. Over 90 mins we should definitely look the better team, regardless of the result if Pardew has anything at all about him as a manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 It's not a great post really, is it? Harps on about the perceived qualities of 'international players' without even considering the actual ability of our players And anyone who has seen us this season can't say we have been attempting to play 'conference level' football. The football yesterday was substandard, that goes without saying, but don't make our squad out to be something it isn't. By 'yesterday' I mean last season. Been at the blue crystal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Only three sides in the league conceded more goals than us last season. Consider the defenders and keeper we had at our disposal and the fact at no point did we try to play genuinely attacking football. It pretty clearly points to the manager being fucking awful at his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Only three sides in the league conceded more goals than us last season. Consider the defenders and keeper we had at our disposal and the fact at no point did we try to play genuinely attacking football. It pretty clearly points to the manager being f***ing awful at his job. Amen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Dunno how this is still an issue tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manosdepiedra Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 The fact is we have a squad full of International players....not Internationals from Haiti or Papua New Guinea or even Austria. Internationals from countries with good footballing pedigree. France, Argentina, Italy and Holland. Countries that do well in World Cups. So to an extent, the under investment is moot. What isn't moot is that generally, with this current manager pulling the strings, we play football not suited to World Cups and European Championships or Copa Americas, but to Conferance level. High , long aimless balls to nobody. We've had a season where we've finished just above the relegation places due to the manager not being able to get anything like the best from these players. They cannot be bad players, as their tally of caps show so we have to assume that the Manager isn't doing his job correctly. Or more to the point, look at his career history and you'd fairly summise, he's not able to do his job correctly. That is the bigger picture irrespective of what the Pardew fanboys will have you believe. Thats pretty fat from the bigger picture iyam. The bigger picture is Mike Ashley wont pay for a better manager than the rather limited Pardew. People on forums such as this think they're clever pointing out every mistake Pardew makes, frankly just to show off "how much they know about football", yet barely utter a word about the bloke who continues to employ him. Pretty bizzare. We've tried to play better football this season, and it has showed in some games. Thing is when we concede a goal heads drop. The greatest players are great because they've got heart as well as ability. Difficult to teach grown men heart tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Difficult to teach grown men heart tbh. Being motivated can mask that but he's beyond woeful at motivating players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Not really sure i can blame Ashley for the 1st half against Everton, as much i'd like to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I'll say this for him, his management is the main reason I've stopped going to watch the team. I'm well aware of the main problem at NUFC, anyone who pays a bit of attention to the club is, but the football is so bad under this idiot that I just can't be arsed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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