Dr Venkman Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It's just another disappointing performance though. If you think this proves Pardew should be sacked, any more than Villa away proved he should stay then you're knee-jerking. As it is we're on the same points as Man U so not going to throw my lot in with the babies who want rid and don't care that it's Ashley doing the hiring. As I left the stadium people were seriously talking about going down with the mackems. 7 points from 5 is the sort of form that will garner 53 points. Enough for an 8th place finish last year. Holy fucking shit. We're 5 matches into the season and you think 'being on the same points as Man United' holds any weight? If that 'form' will garner us 53 points and have us at 8th, then by the same token we should measure Man United as finishing around there? Of course not, and I don't think you're suggesting that. I'm just highlighting how pointless that part of your post is. Knee jerking, though. It's been at least since Reading at home last year that I've absolutely despised the man as a manager. That's 9 months ffs. 247 days. I don't think Pardew should go because of the Hull game, I think he should go because of his entire career up to now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hads on....isn't Pardew quoted as saying that he told the midfielders to get closer to the defenders? Yes,he is. If that's not dropping your team back then I don't know what is. What i find baffling more than anything is that this has been a pattern that has repeated over and over again, yet people still can't see it. Madness taking this game in isolation you surely have to see that hull were taking us apart in the gaps during the first half right? it was how they got back in the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 So, just to clarify, if that's true we now have people defending Pardew...against himself. Any links to that quote? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It's just another disappointing performance though. If you think this proves Pardew should be sacked, any more than Villa away proved he should stay then you're knee-jerking. As it is we're on the same points as Man U so not going to throw my lot in with the babies who want rid and don't care that it's Ashley doing the hiring. As I left the stadium people were seriously talking about going down with the mackems. 7 points from 5 is the sort of form that will garner 53 points. Enough for an 8th place finish last year. Holy fucking shit. We're 5 matches into the season and you think 'being on the same points as Man United' holds any weight? If that 'form' will garner us 53 points and have us at 8th, then by the same token we should measure Man United as finishing around there? Of course not, and I don't think you're suggesting that. I'm just highlighting how pointless that part of your post is. Knee jerking, though. It's been at least since Reading at home last year that I've absolutely despised the man as a manager. That's 9 months ffs. It was knee jerking to start banging the "Pardew's great" drum after villa, and it would be knee jerking to say he deserves the sack off the back of the Hull game. There have been moments in the past where you could legitimately say it's not been good enough and he should go. Up to about January this year. Those moments have passed now though and it would be mad if we got rid of a manager with 7 points from 5 games while sitting 12th. I don't think anyone is seriously saying we should (are they?). I'm not saying anyone that's slated Pardew for 2 years is knee-jerking, but I think that was obvious. Me, I am. I honestly don't get this 'it's a new season, he's a new manager' thing like. He's still Alan Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It's just another disappointing performance though. If you think this proves Pardew should be sacked, any more than Villa away proved he should stay then you're knee-jerking. As it is we're on the same points as Man U so not going to throw my lot in with the babies who want rid and don't care that it's Ashley doing the hiring. As I left the stadium people were seriously talking about going down with the mackems. 7 points from 5 is the sort of form that will garner 53 points. Enough for an 8th place finish last year. Holy f***ing s***. We're 5 matches into the season and you think 'being on the same points as Man United' holds any weight? If that 'form' will garner us 53 points and have us at 8th, then by the same token we should measure Man United as finishing around there? Of course not, and I don't think you're suggesting that. I'm just highlighting how pointless that part of your post is. Knee jerking, though. It's been at least since Reading at home last year that I've absolutely despised the man as a manager. That's 9 months ffs. It was knee jerking to start banging the "Pardew's great" drum after villa, and it would be knee jerking to say he deserves the sack off the back of the Hull game. There have been moments in the past where you could legitimately say it's not been good enough and he should go. Up to about January this year. Those moments have passed now though and it would be mad if we got rid of a manager with 7 points from 5 games while sitting 12th. I don't think anyone is seriously saying we should (are they?). I'm not saying anyone that's slated Pardew for 2 years is knee-jerking, but I think that was obvious. "those moments have passed now". Have they? So he's worth keeping based on a villa win? Just ignore the last season and the general turgid football we watched, the bizarre selections and tactics. The fact he is quite clearly not good enough to manage this team. Makes absolutely no sense. Probably because you haven't read the post. Have another go. His 24 points from 20 games is probably good enough for this club as Mike Ashley is running it. His 7 points from 13 games prior to that probably wasn't good enough for any club, but that moment passed.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm definitely saying that we should. SHOULD being the pivotal word. Unfortunately we all know who would replace him and, that thought in itself is so fucking grotesque and vapid that it makes Pardew look more attractive purely by comparison. That's the awful situation that we're in and we're all clued up enough to know that that's exactly the sort of suicidal, moronic, clueless decision that our complete cunt of an owner would make. It's totally revolting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm seeing a lot of 'stats' which include our form from last season. As far as I'm aware, the results from last season don't count towards this one. Only last week, the majority of posters were saying that there were evident improvements to our general play, and issues from last season were being addressed. One loss, now we're back to square one? I'm not sure. All that matters now, is our form this season, which hasn't been too bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hads on....isn't Pardew quoted as saying that he told the midfielders to get closer to the defenders? Yes,he is. If that's not dropping your team back then I don't know what is. What i find baffling more than anything is that this has been a pattern that has repeated over and over again, yet people still can't see it. Madness taking this game in isolation you surely have to see that hull were taking us apart in the gaps during the first half right? it was how they got back in the game Hulls main danger was a clipped ball over the top/behind tiote. While I agree we hadn't gripped the midfield enough it got worse second half, huddlestone was strolling around the pitch picking whatever pass he wanted. We looked worse in the second half than the first so I'm not sure what closing that gap did? Aside from give Huddlestone more space i'm not saying he got it right all i'm saying is that we were playing 3 up top effectively with no cover for the fullbacks, cabaye was playing as a 4th forward in essence leaving anita and sissoko on their own...their strikers started dropping into that space and they exploited the space remy/hba left to good effect pardew's answer to that was to drop the midfielders back in, which also had a negative counter effect on our play...in hindsight he'd have been better slugging it out and trying to score more goals than them but i see what he was trying to do my initial point was to agree with brett that it's not as simple as pardew just told us to sit deep after the first goal, it's not as simple as that, our balance as a team was wrong and hull exploited it very well....the changes pardew then made to counter that played into their hands Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hads on....isn't Pardew quoted as saying that he told the midfielders to get closer to the defenders? Yes,he is. If that's not dropping your team back then I don't know what is. What i find baffling more than anything is that this has been a pattern that has repeated over and over again, yet people still can't see it. Madness I haven't heard that quote. Could he have meant to receive the ball from the defenders better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm seeing a lot of 'stats' which include our form from last season. As far as I'm aware, the results from last season don't count towards this one. Only last week, the majority of posters were saying that there were evident improvements to our general play, and issues from last season were being addressed. One loss, now we're back to square one? I'm not sure. It's probably just the negative people getting louder after a defeat, and the positive people getting louder after a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm seeing a lot of 'stats' which include our form from last season. As far as I'm aware, the results from last season don't count towards this one. Only last week, the majority of posters were saying that there were evident improvements to our general play, and issues from last season were being addressed. One loss, now we're back to square one? I'm not sure. They were wrong. Our problem was never necessarily long ball. Our main problems have always been lack of movement and inviting teams onto us when we're ahead. Neither of them have changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm seeing a lot of 'stats' which include our form from last season. As far as I'm aware, the results from last season don't count towards this one. Only last week, the majority of posters were saying that there were evident improvements to our general play, and issues from last season were being addressed. One loss, now we're back to square one? I'm not sure. All that matters now, is our form this season, which hasn't been too bad. i agree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Our next 6 League fixtures aren't pretty, would be pleasantly surprised if we picked up many points at all from them. Sort of makes you wish you beat teams like West Ham and Hull at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hull got their tactics right and whilst attacking them should have been the right tactics we played utter s****. The players have got to take the majority of the blame in performances like the other day for me. That's not to say Pardew was faultless by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Our next 6 League fixtures aren't pretty, would be pleasantly surprised if we picked up many points at all from them. Sort of makes you wish you beat teams like West Ham and Hull at home. sure we were saying shit like this last year like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm seeing a lot of 'stats' which include our form from last season. As far as I'm aware, the results from last season don't count towards this one. Only last week, the majority of posters were saying that there were evident improvements to our general play, and issues from last season were being addressed. One loss, now we're back to square one? I'm not sure. They were wrong. Our problem was never necessarily long ball. Our main problems have always been lack of movement and inviting teams onto us when we're ahead. Neither of them have changed. Mate, honestly, it does you no favours to be piping up on the back of a loss. I know that you haven't followed a few of our games this season, so you may not be the best person to judge. We've certainly improved in the areas you've mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm seeing a lot of 'stats' which include our form from last season. As far as I'm aware, the results from last season don't count towards this one. Only last week, the majority of posters were saying that there were evident improvements to our general play, and issues from last season were being addressed. One loss, now we're back to square one? I'm not sure. All that matters now, is our form this season, which hasn't been too bad. It hasn't. But we had one more point after 5 games last season, so it could go either way from here on in. I've been updating this thread with the run of 8 games i would expect him to get results in, and so far he's only failed to do so once. So he's passing that test as far as I'm concerned. His next challenge will be the run of 4 games against Liverpool, Sunderland, Chelsea and Spurs. Those are the ones where he could well put a bad sequence of results together that give the owner the ammo to put him down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I'm seeing a lot of 'stats' which include our form from last season. As far as I'm aware, the results from last season don't count towards this one. Only last week, the majority of posters were saying that there were evident improvements to our general play, and issues from last season were being addressed. One loss, now we're back to square one? I'm not sure. It's probably just the negative people getting louder after a defeat, and the positive people getting louder after a win. It depends on your definition. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not negative for wanting Pardew out, I'm 100% positive. Why would I want to be positive about something that has been awful in exactly the same way for around a year? The glass isn't even half full, and if it is then it's full of shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 A Manager with an attack minded philosophy would've mullered Hull on Saturday. One smell of blood and we'd have smashed them. There's a fear factor with Pardew which just isn't going to go. We rarely comprehensively beat teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 A Manager with an attack minded philosophy would've mullered Hull on Saturday. One smell of blood and we'd have smashed them. There's a fear factor with Pardew which just isn't going to go. We rarely comprehensively beat teams. Hull haven't been "mullered" all season and they've played Chelsea and Man City. Their Defense has shown itself to be well drilled and i don't think they were in any way there for the taking. Would have been a hard fought victory for any team. We absolutely shot ourselves in the foot and should never have conceded 3 to them though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 A Manager with an attack minded philosophy would've mullered Hull on Saturday. One smell of blood and we'd have smashed them. There's a fear factor with Pardew which just isn't going to go. We rarely comprehensively beat teams. Stupid to think we could had smashed Hull. Hull have shown to be competent in the league this season so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hull looked embarrassingly shit until we scored and took our footf off the gas. They'd hardly touched the ball whilst we were trying to attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Some of their goals were purely down to players just not using their heads and doing their jobs properly. You cannot blame Pardew for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Hull looked embarrassingly shit until we scored and took our footf off the gas. They'd hardly touched the ball whilst we were trying to attack. Bang on. A SBR or KK side would have absolutely smashed them. That's got less to do with the individuals in the side and more to do with the mentality of the man in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Some of their goals were purely down to players just not using their heads and doing their jobs properly. You cannot blame Pardew for that. You absolutely can and I absolutely will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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