Alan Pardew

[Guest Forollhogna]

The last thing I want is Ashley backing Pardew. Shudder to think about the throng of clobbers who Pardew would have bought straight away...

[Robster]

Why is everyone responding to HF. Isn't he just on the wind up ?

[Jesse Pinkman]

Basically, my wife is a s*** cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly f***er.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

 

Newcastle Utd isn't "an ugly f***er" though. We deserve better, really we do! Is this battered husband syndrome?

 

Oh but it is. If you think Joe Kinnear and Mike Ashley are attractive to any manager worth his salt you are incorrect.

 

Harry Redknapp knew.

 

Its not exactly rocket science...

[Jack Flash]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I fucking love him so there.

[TRon]

Basically, my wife is a shit cook, the house is a mess but she's canny in bed and I'm an ugly fucker.

 

I ain't about to dump the bitch cos she's not Cindy Crawford.

 

Newcastle Utd isn't "an ugly fucker" though. We deserve better, really we do! Is this battered husband syndrome?

 

Oh but it is. If you think Joe Kinnear and Mike Ashley are attractive to any manager worth his salt you are incorrect.

 

Harry Redknapp knew.

 

Where's Harry Redknapp now? Still down south like he always wanted to be  I'd wager, the senile cockney twat. If Newcastle had been based within 50 miles of his home on the south coast he'd have crawled over broken glass to sign the contract.

[Happy Face]

lone behold.

 

 

Egg corn?

[Mick]

Why is everyone responding to HF. Isn't he just on the wind up ?

 

No, happy face if off his face.

[Jesse Pinkman]

lone behold.

 

 

Egg corn?

 

oh shit 

[colinmk]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I fucking love him so there.

 

I'm with you man. Don't remember many excuses from him either.

[Happy Face]

He also had a worse premier league record than Pardew, couldn't keep the chairman happy and is currently the target of a #hughtonout campaign at Norwich.

 

Not sure it would be a good move.

[quayside]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

[Jack Flash]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

 

If there were bids for the good players that stayed they'd have gone too.

 

We lost probably £25million worth of players and replaced them with about £4millions worth that season. The summer we came back up he was given Tiote, Gosling, Campbell, Perch and Ben Arfa (on loan) totalling about £4.5 million.

[quayside]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

 

If there were bids for the good players that stayed they'd have gone too.

 

We lost probably £25million worth of players and replaced them with about £4millions worth that season. The summer we came back up he was given Tiote, Gosling, Campbell, Perch and Ben Arfa (on loan) totalling about £4.5 million.

 

Your first sentence is just an opinion and is not based on anything much. We kept a fantastic squad by Championship standards and added to it in the January so I think Hughton was backed.

 

Have had a look, are we talking Owen, Duff, Beye, Bassong, Martins, Viduka leaving- anyone else? At that stage of their careers Owen, Viduka and Beye had little value and (much as I liked them all - at times) good riddance imo. We got good money for Martins and Bassong neither have proven to be worth it. Arguably Duff has actually proved to have some value as he's played Premiership football ever since. I don't think we lost anyone of any significance under Hughton.

 

By the way I understand you like him, he's a decent professional and man. He was treated badly. But I don't think he's as good a manager as Pardew, and that's based on nothing other than it being my opinion.

[Guest Forollhogna]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

[Wullie]

Having come up, we spent less than Blackpool and West Brom who came up with us. He got absolutely nowt yet it's long been fair game to call the bloke worse than shit on here, whilst Pardew, a shit manager who plays excruciatingly dull football and has no respect whatsoever for the club or the supporters, is a sacred cow in many eyes. Absolutely bizarre.

[Jack Flash]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

 

If there were bids for the good players that stayed they'd have gone too.

 

We lost probably £25million worth of players and replaced them with about £4millions worth that season. The summer we came back up he was given Tiote, Gosling, Campbell, Perch and Ben Arfa (on loan) totalling about £4.5 million.

 

Your first sentence is just an opinion and is not based on anything much. We kept a fantastic squad by Championship standards and added to it in the January so I think Hughton was backed.

 

Have had a look, are we talking Owen, Duff, Beye, Bassong, Martins, Viduka leaving- anyone else? At that stage of their careers Owen, Viduka and Beye had little value and (much as I liked them all - at times) good riddance imo. We got good money for Martins and Bassong neither have proven to be worth it. Arguably Duff has actually proved to have some value as he's played Premiership football ever since. I don't think we lost anyone of any significance under Hughton.

 

By the way I understand you like him, he's a decent professional and man. He was treated badly. But I don't think he's as good a manager as Pardew, and that's based on nothing other than it being my opinion.

 

They've been banging on about the cost of relegation for years so getting another £200+k off the wage bill and another £15-20million in transfer fees would have delighted them. I don't see how that's an opinion knowing what we know.

 

It's not who we lost, it's how many and how much of the money was reinvested. We're extremely lucky those cheap deals and loans paid off so well or we'd still be down there.

 

Hughton finished 5 places higher than us last year with a far worse team. Not too shabby.

[quayside]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

 

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. 

[Wullie]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

 

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. 

 

Aye, the mackems and Villa games were fucking rotten, scoring a goal then trying to score another, then another. Where do people get this absolute rubbish?

 

As for Pardew coming in with no Carroll, I must have blanked out that Liverpool game. Dear me.

[quayside]

If you're talking owners working against their manager look no further than Hughton. He lost loads of players and was given peanuts to replace them and apparently Ashley etc hated him but did a really, really good job and I f***ing love him so there.

 

Sorry can't see that at all. Hughton was backed in our championship season, look at the players we kept in that squad and look how much it cost Ashley to keep them. Of course Ashley had no choice in the circumstances. Genuine question as I haven't looked it up: who did Hughton lose?

 

If there were bids for the good players that stayed they'd have gone too.

 

We lost probably £25million worth of players and replaced them with about £4millions worth that season. The summer we came back up he was given Tiote, Gosling, Campbell, Perch and Ben Arfa (on loan) totalling about £4.5 million.

 

Your first sentence is just an opinion and is not based on anything much. We kept a fantastic squad by Championship standards and added to it in the January so I think Hughton was backed.

 

Have had a look, are we talking Owen, Duff, Beye, Bassong, Martins, Viduka leaving- anyone else? At that stage of their careers Owen, Viduka and Beye had little value and (much as I liked them all - at times) good riddance imo. We got good money for Martins and Bassong neither have proven to be worth it. Arguably Duff has actually proved to have some value as he's played Premiership football ever since. I don't think we lost anyone of any significance under Hughton.

 

By the way I understand you like him, he's a decent professional and man. He was treated badly. But I don't think he's as good a manager as Pardew, and that's based on nothing other than it being my opinion.

 

They've been banging on about the cost of relegation for years so getting another £200+k off the wage bill and another £15-20million in transfer fees would have delighted them. I don't see how that's an opinion knowing what we know.

 

It's not who we lost, it's how many and how much of the money was reinvested. We're extremely lucky those cheap deals and loans paid off so well or we'd still be down there.

 

Hughton finished 5 places higher than us last year with a far worse team. Not too shabby.

 

I'm not a believer in lucky transfers tbh. You make your own luck by and large. We could have spent many millions more than we did on the players we have signed and no one would have thought we'd overpaid. Can't and won't argue much about last season. Pardew handled the Europa experience badly, the only mitigation I've got is that he had never managed in Europe before and it proved to be beyond him. I don't think he's any better than an average manager. btw.

[Wullie]

Hughton's the only manager to ever get consistent performances out of Andy Carroll btw, but I realise that doesn't suit people's agendas.

 

Seen plenty raving about the performances Pardew got out of Perch and Ryan Taylor though.

[Jack Flash]

Hughton was probably the man responsible for how good Carroll was then. Those tactics suited our attacking players perfectly.

 

I doubt he got any credit from the higher ups when Carroll was sold though.

[quayside]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

 

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. 

 

Aye, the mackems and Villa games were f***ing rotten, scoring a goal then trying to score another, then another. Where do people get this absolute rubbish?

 

As for Pardew coming in with no Carroll, I must have blanked out that Liverpool game. Dear me.

 

Loved those games. But there were some shockers as well and there was plenty of grumbling on here after some rank performances under Hughton. And yes we've had shockers under Pardew but FFS it hasn't all been shyte.

 

Was it just the one game Pardew had with Carroll?

[Wullie]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

 

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. 

 

Aye, the mackems and Villa games were f***ing rotten, scoring a goal then trying to score another, then another. Where do people get this absolute rubbish?

 

As for Pardew coming in with no Carroll, I must have blanked out that Liverpool game. Dear me.

 

Loved those games. But there were some shockers as well and there was plenty of grumbling on here after some rank performances under Hughton. And yes we've had shockers under Pardew but FFS it hasn't all been shyte.

 

Was it just the one game Pardew had with Carroll?

 

Poor performances were to be expected, we'd just been promoted and spent almost nothing!

 

It's been largely shite. I haven't enjoyed three games in the last eighteen months, and even when we finished fifth, other than half a dozen games the football stank to high heaven.

 

I hardly think you can class a 3-1 defeat to West Brom alongside 0-3 and 0-6. "Shockers" doesn't begin to cover what Pardew has put us through. I'd love to know what it is about the man that has so many defending him even now. He's utterly detestable as a man and as a manager.

 

How is last season less worthy of the sack to you than Hughton's four months was?

 

[quayside]

So do you rate Hughton or not - by all means dont sit on the fence..

 

Asking me? As a manager not really. Like the guy though, loved our Championship season but he had arguably the best squad that has ever played Championship football. Under him in the Premiership we relied a lot on long balls from the likes of Barton into Andy Carroll and then Nolan being in the right place. It was no better football than the stuff people have been unhappy with under Pardew. When Pardew came in he had no Carroll, and he got some results with people like Best and Lovenkrands in the side, I'm not at all sure Hughton would have done that tbh. Rightly or wrongly I feel Pardew is a better man manager as well. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes so I freely admit that's speculation. 

 

Aye, the mackems and Villa games were f***ing rotten, scoring a goal then trying to score another, then another. Where do people get this absolute rubbish?

 

As for Pardew coming in with no Carroll, I must have blanked out that Liverpool game. Dear me.

 

Loved those games. But there were some shockers as well and there was plenty of grumbling on here after some rank performances under Hughton. And yes we've had shockers under Pardew but FFS it hasn't all been shyte.

 

Was it just the one game Pardew had with Carroll?

 

Poor performances were to be expected, we'd just been promoted and spent almost nothing!

 

It's been largely s****. I haven't enjoyed three games in the last eighteen months, and even when we finished fifth, other than half a dozen games the football stank to high heaven.

 

I hardly think you can class a 3-1 defeat to West Brom alongside 0-3 and 0-6. "Shockers" doesn't begin to cover what Pardew has put us through. I'd love to know what it is about the man that has so many defending him even now. He's utterly detestable as a man and as a manager.

 

How is last season less worthy of the sack to you than Hughton's four months was?

 

 

Fair enough - your enjoyment is beyond debate in that no one can tell you otherwise. You go to more games than I do but I've enjoyed more of the football I've seen than you have, I probably am more easily pleased.

 

I don't think anyone on here is especially pro Pardew (Brett is close though), I think the most anyone would say is that he's a bang average manager. The argument centres on who would replace him if we did sack him, and would it be another bang average manager or a less than bang average manager. The Sunderland betting list is a decent starting point (although it contains a few non starters to be fair). Debates on the merits of the likes of MON, McLaren etc over Pardew are pointless imo. I would support sacking Pardew if I knew we would find an undisputable upgrade. I am not convinced our owner knows enough about the game or enough people in the game to do that.     

[Zero]

I don't think Hughton has done "a marvellous job" by winning the Championship.  It is a league where Shola can score like VPS.

Instead I think his work on getting us sitting in mid table before getting sacked was more impressive.