AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 We might win against Norwich and WBA with the same team (apart from Debuchy missing the 1st) but we're, well Pardew is going to make it so much harder going in with the same setup as against the better sides where we had the right players to put in a solid display defensively and most of all players that are very capable of effective counter attacking. The next two teams we play will require another tactic to break down imo. I'd gladly be proven wrong though. Norwich aren't solid defensively and West Brom don't usually sit back for 90 mins even away from home. I'd love to see Ben Arfa play a part obviously but the balance of the team is good at the moment. I fear that if we play him, not only our right flanks will be exposed but our attacking tactics will be "Keep calm and pass to Benny" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 It'll be an unchanged side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Makes a change from slagging us Aye, only a few weeks ago he was spouting about our club being a lot stronger & more successful if we didn't have our supporters. That's some monstrous spin you two are laying down there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Makes a change from slagging us Aye, only a few weeks ago he was spouting about our club being a lot stronger & more successful if we didn't have our supporters. That's some monstrous spin you two are laying down there. Spinny Hendrix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I don't think having this debate all over again is a good idea. Nee Nar Nee Nar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a fucking clue how to use HBA properly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a fucking clue how to use HBA properly Not sure that's quite true, I think it's more that he values the defensive contribution of other players. Hopefully he'll decide to take a bit more of a risk in these upcoming games, Norwich at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a fucking clue how to use HBA properly Not sure that's quite true, I think it's more that he values the defensive contribution of other players. Hopefully he'll decide to take a bit more of a risk in these upcoming games, Norwich at least. i mean when the other team turn up and close down HBA pardew never, ever has a response or a different tactical approach to exploit it - hull was the prime example Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a fucking clue how to use HBA properly Not sure that's quite true, I think it's more that he values the defensive contribution of other players. Hopefully he'll decide to take a bit more of a risk in these upcoming games, Norwich at least. i mean when the other team turn up and close down HBA pardew never, ever has a response or a different tactical approach to exploit it - hull was the prime example Which is why we are back to where we started. Solid defensive line up with a big man up front. Anything else would require a lot of coaching on movement and possession of the ball for a start. He's not that type and neither are any of his coaching staff. But at least the last couple of weeks has confirmed that we have some quality footballers here and if we can get them working to a plan they can beat anybody on their day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a fucking clue how to use HBA properly It's a wonder we think he's a good player then, isn't it? He's used him very well in the past. Even to the point where people would comment that he was in the form of his career. That's slipped recently, but there's not much reason to suspect he can't get back to that level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 It's a wonder we think he's a good player then, isn't it? He's used him very well in the past. Even to the point where people would comment that he was in the form of his career. That's slipped recently, but there's not much reason to suspect he can't get back to that level. i don't know, it's almost like opposing teams analysed how we played with HBA then took countermeasures to prevent him from having an impact instead of letting him skip past them at will and score goals i'm referring of course to lower-mid table teams coming up to SJP last time it happened pardew had nothing in his locker, hopefully they've been working on it since hull Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Nothing there is in relation to my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I don't think having this debate all over again is a good idea. Nee Nar Nee Nar He knows that winds me up so he keeps on saying it. So blatant I'll attempt to ignore it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I don't think having this debate all over again is a good idea. Nee Nar Nee Nar He knows that winds me up so he keeps on saying it. So blatant I'll attempt to ignore it. Not trying to wind anyone up dude, never have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Quotes after the Spuds game from Alain, "Shola was t'riffic. As good as Remy." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 "It kind of elevates him and he stands out, but I thought Shola Ameobi was terrific in the 60 minutes he played. He was as important as Loic, I thought." - .com quotes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I don't think having this debate all over again is a good idea. Nee Nar Nee Nar He knows that winds me up so he keeps on saying it. So blatant I'll attempt to ignore it. Hmmm. Well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Nothing there is in relation to my post. nothing huh? so full of shit man you said he'd used him well in the past, i suggested that since his early form teams might well have adapted to that and pardew needs to find a way to use him differently in games like the hull match i don't know what more you wanted, unless it was merely for me to agree with you that pardew has used him well in the past, which i agree with to an extent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a f***ing clue how to use HBA properly Not sure that's quite true, I think it's more that he values the defensive contribution of other players. Hopefully he'll decide to take a bit more of a risk in these upcoming games, Norwich at least. i mean when the other team turn up and close down HBA pardew never, ever has a response or a different tactical approach to exploit it - hull was the prime example he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a f***ing clue how to use HBA properly Not sure that's quite true, I think it's more that he values the defensive contribution of other players. Hopefully he'll decide to take a bit more of a risk in these upcoming games, Norwich at least. i mean when the other team turn up and close down HBA pardew never, ever has a response or a different tactical approach to exploit it - hull was the prime example he'll not start shola in those 2 games will he, surely? Dunno to be honest, you would like to think not. We definitely find it more difficult against the teams who defend. HBA seems a must. we're back to where we started though aren't we? he hasn't a f***ing clue how to use HBA properly Not sure that's quite true, I think it's more that he values the defensive contribution of other players. Hopefully he'll decide to take a bit more of a risk in these upcoming games, Norwich at least. i mean when the other team turn up and close down HBA pardew never, ever has a response or a different tactical approach to exploit it - hull was the prime example I see your point but that day Remy should have had a hat-trick so there's clearly other options than just giving the ball to HBA and seeing what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I see your point but that day Remy should have had a hat-trick so there's clearly other options than just giving the ball to HBA and seeing what happens. this is my point EDIT: all over the place here trying to squeeze replies in - the point is that hull were ripped up a bit then closed HBA and remy down effectively, pardew left HBA on the right to run at 3 men continually, there was no tactical change to exploit the space that should have been left later on he started playing HBA as a withdrawn forward, like liverpool, but it was clearly not a tactically thought-out move he just threw him on expecting it to work remy is scoring for fun so i'd expect norwich to mark him tightly next game, what do you think the chances are that we're already working on getting HBA and gouffran to exploit that space effectively? slim to none for me, it'll either be shola again or HBA right wing "run at 'em son" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 The irony in all this is that HBA has been relegated to his role at previous clubs, on the bench when things are going well, but hoyed on desperately to save the fucking team when we're under the cosh. Can see him being used as a wildcard when we're chasing the game at 1-0 down. Complete lack of intelligence and talent from the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 The irony in all this is that HBA has been relegated to his role at previous clubs, on the bench when things are going well, but hoyed on desperately to save the f***ing team when we're under the cosh. Can see him being used as a wildcard when we're chasing the game at 1-0 down. Complete lack of intelligence and talent from the manager. HE WON THE FOOTBALL GAM THOE DID YOU NOT SEE!? 5TH, FIFTH BTW!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest icemanblue Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 The irony in all this is that HBA has been relegated to his role at previous clubs, on the bench when things are going well, but hoyed on desperately to save the f***ing team when we're under the cosh. Can see him being used as a wildcard when we're chasing the game at 1-0 down. Complete lack of intelligence and talent from the manager. HE WON THE FOOTBALL GAM THOE DID YOU NOT SEE!? 5TH, FIFTH BTW!!! This patter is beyond horrific, fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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