Alan Pardew

[Guest bimpy474]

If someone could just put up what's allowed in the way of discussion, that would be nice. Even better would a multiple choice thingy saving me the bother of typing too much.

 

Example : That Pardew eh ?

 

Answers :

1. He's shit

2. Bang average

3. Cunt

4. Sexy Cunt

5. Hater

6. Fuck you and don't post you cunt

7 Leave my Dad alone

 

That sort of thing.

 

 

you missed out - understandibly doing better without the extra workload of europe.

 

4 would cover that....

 

 

ah   ok.

 

Im not gay or owt tho.

 

to think another man is sexy isn't gay. I think.

[Elliottman]

Eh?

 

[Mick]

 

 

Thanks for clarifying that Mick. We don't want there to be any uncertainty about where you stand on the Pardew issue 

 

No problem, anything to remove the possibility of doubt.

[Mick]

strangely the movement has been there when he's been out, especially movement just to keep possession, to the point that i'm seeing the"nobody moves for him" argument to be little more than an excuse for him, also, showing for the ball is vastly different to good movement.

 

Are you trying to say that we don't have a lack of movement from our players when Ben Arfa has the ball. 

[madras]

strangely the movement has been there when he's been out, especially movement just to keep possession, to the point that i'm seeing the"nobody moves for him" argument to be little more than an excuse for him, also, showing for the ball is vastly different to good movement.

 

Are you trying to say that we don't have a lack of movement from our players when Ben Arfa has the ball. 

for a long time we had a lack of movement whoever had the ball, it was only used as an excuse for ben arfa though, this season we've had much more movement, however i've noticed ben arfa still getting the benefit when he's had options but held on too it for too long, fwiw ben arfa is as bad if not worse than most for his movement off the ball. it was and is a team thing, not just when he gets the ball, thats a crap excuse to defend a favourite when he just isn't doing it.

[Guest icemanblue]

strangely the movement has been there when he's been out, especially movement just to keep possession, to the point that i'm seeing the"nobody moves for him" argument to be little more than an excuse for him, also, showing for the ball is vastly different to good movement.

 

Are you trying to say that we don't have a lack of movement from our players when Ben Arfa has the ball. 

for a long time we had a lack of movement whoever had the ball, it was only used as an excuse for ben arfa though, this season we've had much more movement, however i've noticed ben arfa still getting the benefit when he's had options but held on too it for too long, fwiw ben arfa is as bad if not worse than most for his movement off the ball. it was and is a team thing, not just when he gets the ball, thats a crap excuse to defend a favourite when he just isn't doing it.

 

Absolutely.

[mrmojorisin75]

i think we should all wait and see how the movement is in the next few games HBA plays tbh

 

i've always had a suspicion that pardew instructs some players to hold their ground to cover him when he goes off on his runs for obvious reasons (obvious to pardew)

[Mick]

for a long time we had a lack of movement whoever had the ball, it was only used as an excuse for ben arfa though, this season we've had much more movement, however i've noticed ben arfa still getting the benefit when he's had options but held on too it for too long, fwiw ben arfa is as bad if not worse than most for his movement off the ball. it was and is a team thing, not just when he gets the ball, thats a crap excuse to defend a favourite when he just isn't doing it.

 

It's not a crap excuse when it's true, I was watching him against Hull and nobody moved when he had the ball.  It was as if they were expecting him to do everything on his own.  Our movement has been better recently, he hasn't been in the team to benefit from it though.

[madras]

it's the same excuse whenever he plays poorly "oh it wasn't him, it was the others", you watch him that close, watch how often he gets his head up after he gets the ball, watch how often he lays off a simple ball then turns to get into space or stretch the opposition (a clue- he doesn't). when nhe'son fire he's fantastic, one of the few players worth paying to watch on his own, when he's not though, it seems the team is better off without him.

 

anyone thought, given there is a lot by pardew about ben arfas personality and I think a little by the player himself, that when he's down it may not be best to play him ?

[Parky]

Out of Pardew and Hatem there can only ever be one winner.

[Guest neesy111]

Ahh the good old Parky kiss off death.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Out of Pardew and Hatem there can only ever be one winner.

 

Luckily they're both on the same side.

[mrmojorisin75]

It's not a crap excuse when it's true, I was watching him against Hull and nobody moved when he had the ball.  It was as if they were expecting him to do everything on his own.  Our movement has been better recently, he hasn't been in the team to benefit from it though.

 

thank fuck someone else sees it

 

i also agree with madras that he doesn't get his head up enough but i think on both sides (his and the other players) they've sort of both got into the rut of him having to do it all on his own or something - there could also be the element of pardew's risk analysis, i.e. he might be telling players to stand their ground was HBA has the ball because he's brilliant but more of a risk and turns over possession more often, not sure

 

go back and watch the compilations of him playing in france and look how many times he's on the ball picking lush passes for players making runs in behind the defence, it's been conditioned out of him after 2 years of playing in a real life fussball team...needs conditioning back into them all through proper training

[Eddy Chibas]

It's not a crap excuse when it's true, I was watching him against Hull and nobody moved when he had the ball.  It was as if they were expecting him to do everything on his own.  Our movement has been better recently, he hasn't been in the team to benefit from it though.

 

thank f*** someone else sees it

 

i also agree with madras that he doesn't get his head up enough but i think on both sides (his and the other players) they've sort of both got into the rut of him having to do it all on his own or something - there could also be the element of pardew's risk analysis, i.e. he might be telling players to stand their ground was HBA has the ball because he's brilliant but more of a risk and turns over possession more often, not sure

 

go back and watch the compilations of him playing in france and look how many times he's on the ball picking lush passes for players making runs in behind the defence, it's been conditioned out of him after 2 years of playing in a real life fussball team...needs conditioning back into them all through proper training

 

 

 

Edit: i'm unable to c&p on my mobile device, but that post should be chucked in the 'Ace Posts' thread - that's the measuring stick as to how to describe The Pardoo Effect, and to apply context to the often thrown around joke "refined player X will be in time, or player Y has unfortunately been Pardewed"

[cp40]

for a long time we had a lack of movement whoever had the ball, it was only used as an excuse for ben arfa though, this season we've had much more movement, however i've noticed ben arfa still getting the benefit when he's had options but held on too it for too long, fwiw ben arfa is as bad if not worse than most for his movement off the ball. it was and is a team thing, not just when he gets the ball, thats a crap excuse to defend a favourite when he just isn't doing it.

 

It's not a crap excuse when it's true, I was watching him against Hull and nobody moved when he had the ball.  It was as if they were expecting him to do everything on his own.  Our movement has been better recently, he hasn't been in the team to benefit from it though.

 

 

I wonder what, or who gave them that impression?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The Pardoo Effect

 

[mrmojorisin75]

good contribution ian

[AyeDubbleYoo]

good contribution ian

 

Sometimes it's necessary.

[NG32]

Out of Pardew and Hatem there can only ever be one winner.

 

Luckily they're both on the same side.

 

There can only be one...according to Christopher Lambert.

[Guest icemanblue]

If Pardew is a Highlander, that would really explain a lot.

[madras]

It's not a crap excuse when it's true, I was watching him against Hull and nobody moved when he had the ball.  It was as if they were expecting him to do everything on his own.  Our movement has been better recently, he hasn't been in the team to benefit from it though.

 

thank f*** someone else sees it

 

i also agree with madras that he doesn't get his head up enough but i think on both sides (his and the other players) they've sort of both got into the rut of him having to do it all on his own or something - there could also be the element of pardew's risk analysis, i.e. he might be telling players to stand their ground was HBA has the ball because he's brilliant but more of a risk and turns over possession more often, not sure

 

go back and watch the compilations of him playing in france and look how many times he's on the ball picking lush passes for players making runs in behind the defence, it's been conditioned out of him after 2 years of playing in a real life fussball team...needs conditioning back into them all through proper training

again I disagree, for all he is a fantastic talent he seems to lack some football intelligence, how many times have you screamed at him for hitting the right touch line and trying to keep it in instead of just cutting it back ? or for trying to go when a simple pass back to retain possession was on, re watch the sunderland game and watch how many times he gets the ball and instead of keeping it moving takes the time to get crowded out, he brings it on himself many times. he's got to mix it up, it makes it much easier for the opposition if they know he's going to run at them at every opportunity.

[mrmojorisin75]

again I disagree, for all he is a fantastic talent he seems to lack some football intelligence, how many times have you screamed at him for hitting the right touch line and trying to keep it in instead of just cutting it back ? or for trying to go when a simple pass back to retain possession was on, re watch the sunderland game and watch how many times he gets the ball and instead of keeping it moving takes the time to get crowded out, he brings it on himself many times. he's got to mix it up, it makes it much easier for the opposition if they know he's going to run at them at every opportunity.

 

i'll agree with you to a point but again with respect to the highlighted part - in the vast majority of games i've seen him play "mixing it up" could only entail passing it backwards then waiting for it to come back...he's still faced with the same problem when it comes back to him 'cause no-one makes runs off the ball when he's got it

 

it's same issue we have with the following, do you believe it's only the individual, the tactics/coaching, or a combination:

 

debuchy being terrible since he signed, not being able to mark players and committing crazy fouls

cisse being neither able to stay onside nor score goals, nor even get in opportunities to score anymore

tiote's outright woefulness until recently

 

a few examples, there are more i just don't have time

 

all of them, including HBA's issues in an attacking sense have roots in both the players deficiencies but also in the tactics and coaching imo...personally i believe all of it, especially what you mention above with HBA, could and should be coached out on the training ground and probably would be if we had better staff in key positions

 

 

[Benwell Lad]

Could be a fair summary to say that HBA is the most talented player we've had at SJP for many a year, but Pardew was right to leave him out of the last two matches (QED), and he will still have a significant impact and role to play over the rest of the season.

[madras]

again I disagree, for all he is a fantastic talent he seems to lack some football intelligence, how many times have you screamed at him for hitting the right touch line and trying to keep it in instead of just cutting it back ? or for trying to go when a simple pass back to retain possession was on, re watch the sunderland game and watch how many times he gets the ball and instead of keeping it moving takes the time to get crowded out, he brings it on himself many times. he's got to mix it up, it makes it much easier for the opposition if they know he's going to run at them at every opportunity.

 

i'll agree with you to a point but again with respect to the highlighted part - in the vast majority of games i've seen him play "mixing it up" could only entail passing it backwards then waiting for it to come back...he's still faced with the same problem when it comes back to him 'cause no-one makes runs off the ball when he's got it

 

it's same issue we have with the following, do you believe it's only the individual, the tactics/coaching, or a combination:

 

debuchy being terrible since he signed, not being able to mark players and committing crazy fouls

cisse being neither able to stay onside nor score goals, nor even get in opportunities to score anymore

tiote's outright woefulness until recently

 

a few examples, there are more i just don't have time

 

all of them, including HBA's issues in an attacking sense have roots in both the players deficiencies but also in the tactics and coaching imo...personally i believe all of it, especially what you mention above with HBA, could and should be coached out on the training ground and probably would be if we had better staff in key positions

 

 

part of the problem is if he gives it back his movement to get a return or even pull the opposition out of shape is poor, poor movement and the opposition knowing what you are going to do massively cut down on his effectiveness.

 

for your other examples if debuchy and tiotes form were the fault of pardew then surely their recent resurgance must be down to him aswell ?

[Parky]

Mulensteen would have been ace.