Zero Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 People are going overboard with talk of that Debuchy must have a player in front of him who is strong defensively. Of course it helps! And it's probably one of the reasons that helped him gain confidence and adapting to a new league. But i think he'd do well anyway from now on! Nah, Debuchy is fucking poor at 1 on 1 with opponent's winger. Fucking poor. If we got a right back like Jose Enrique we really don't need to play a protective winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Nah, Debuchy is f***ing poor at 1 on 1 with opponent's winger. f***ing poor. If we got a right back like Jose Enrique we really don't need to play a protective winger. Give over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Nah, Debuchy is f***ing poor at 1 on 1 with opponent's winger. f***ing poor. If we got a right back like Jose Enrique we really don't need to play a protective winger. Give over. Man, surely you would remember how many times he got outpaced last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Nah, Debuchy is f***ing poor at 1 on 1 with opponent's winger. f***ing poor. If we got a right back like Jose Enrique we really don't need to play a protective winger. Give over. Was a matter of time before someone bolded that comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Nah, Debuchy is f***ing poor at 1 on 1 with opponent's winger. f***ing poor. If we got a right back like Jose Enrique we really don't need to play a protective winger. Give over. Man, surely you would remember how many times he got outpaced last season? He got outpaced by Nasri in the first game of the season, that was worrying to watch. Would fancy Debuchy all day long in this form now though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Man, surely you would remember how many times he got outpaced last season? That was last season, his first in a new league, his first in a struggling team and his first in a team which contained a large percentage of new signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Brett, form can only helped a little because Debuchy really lacks pace. In the end the only way not being outpaced is to ask your winger to give help and slow down the opponent. He is a great player, but not perfect, that's why we need to choose the right personnel around him in order to perform well as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Brett, form can only helped a little because Debuchy really lacks pace. In the end the only way not being outpaced is to ask your winger to give help and slow down the opponent. He is a great player, but not perfect, that's why we need to choose the right personnel around him in order to perform well as a team. Not his pace but starting position. His positional sense has been much improved. Doesn't get caught out as much like he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Anyway, Pardew is still shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Man, surely you would remember how many times he got outpaced last season? That was last season, his first in a new league, his first in a struggling team and his first in a team which contained a large percentage of new signings. I honestly don't think all the factors you mention would affect his pace Overall performance I agree, no question at all, but his lack of pace is something permanent and you need deal with. Just for example, would you feel comfort to see him 1 on 1 vs Lennon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Contrasting "Pardew" things over the weekend. Friday bumped into a bunch of fans from around England and Northern Ireland who were of the opinion that Pardew was a good manager and couldn't understand why we didn't like him. A couple used the anti-southern thing as a possible reason and without actually using the "D" word they wondered why we thought we could get a better manager than him right now? Of course I tried to explain that the majority of fans think he's an ok manager, some rate him higher than that and some don't. Saturday afternoon, unless my ears were mistaking me, I heard a long and loud "Alan Pardew's black and white army" from the Strawberry corner. Certainly not much sign of anti southern bias or delusions of courting a "bigger" manager there then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I honestly don't think all the factors you mention would affect his pace Overall performance I agree, no question at all, but his lack of pace is something permanent and you need deal with. Just for example, would you feel comfort to see him 1 on 1 vs Lennon? His pace wasn't a massive problem for me, it was his decision making and how long it would take and that was down to it being his first season in the league. Pace isn't everything and being the quickest doesn't make you the best unless you're a runner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Deserves credit for being above Spurs & Man U who'd have been in most peoples top 4s in the summer after 1/3 of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Contrasting "Pardew" things over the weekend. Friday bumped into a bunch of fans from around England and Northern Ireland who were of the opinion that Pardew was a good manager and couldn't understand why we didn't like him. A couple used the anti-southern thing as a possible reason and without actually using the "D" word they wondered why we thought we could get a better manager than him right now? Of course I tried to explain that the majority of fans think he's an ok manager, some rate him higher than that and some don't. Saturday afternoon, unless my ears were mistaking me, I heard a long and loud "Alan Pardew's black and white army" from the Strawberry corner. Certainly not much sign of anti southern bias or delusions of courting a "bigger" manager there then. I feel much better after reading that, thanks. Aye that chant must have been grating on you. I'll be surprised if that doesn't come back to bite them on the arse tbh. They were chanting it during the worse points this season and last as well which riled a fair few on here. Rather than biting them in the arse, maybe their patient support could be seen as credible, even admirable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Contrasting "Pardew" things over the weekend. Friday bumped into a bunch of fans from around England and Northern Ireland who were of the opinion that Pardew was a good manager and couldn't understand why we didn't like him. A couple used the anti-southern thing as a possible reason and without actually using the "D" word they wondered why we thought we could get a better manager than him right now? Of course I tried to explain that the majority of fans think he's an ok manager, some rate him higher than that and some don't. Saturday afternoon, unless my ears were mistaking me, I heard a long and loud "Alan Pardew's black and white army" from the Strawberry corner. Certainly not much sign of anti southern bias or delusions of courting a "bigger" manager there then. I feel much better after reading that, thanks. Aye that chant must have been grating on you. I'll be surprised if that doesn't come back to bite them on the arse tbh. They were chanting it during the worse points this season and last as well which riled a fair few on here. Rather than biting them in the arse, maybe their patient support could be seen as credible, even admirable? That depends on how things pan out really doesn't it? I'll take it one game at a time for now. What I wanted from the manager was a defined style and some organisation above all else, and tbf in the last few games I'm seeing it for the first time in a year. If he can keep that up and adapt to sides that look to nullify it then he'll deserve credit no doubt. I don't expect us to be winning CL spots, but if we can show progress every year then that's all anyone can ask for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Contrasting "Pardew" things over the weekend. Friday bumped into a bunch of fans from around England and Northern Ireland who were of the opinion that Pardew was a good manager and couldn't understand why we didn't like him. A couple used the anti-southern thing as a possible reason and without actually using the "D" word they wondered why we thought we could get a better manager than him right now? Of course I tried to explain that the majority of fans think he's an ok manager, some rate him higher than that and some don't. Saturday afternoon, unless my ears were mistaking me, I heard a long and loud "Alan Pardew's black and white army" from the Strawberry corner. Certainly not much sign of anti southern bias or delusions of courting a "bigger" manager there then. I feel much better after reading that, thanks. Aye that chant must have been grating on you. I'll be surprised if that doesn't come back to bite them on the arse tbh. They were chanting it during the worse points this season and last as well which riled a fair few on here. Rather than biting them in the arse, maybe their patient support could be seen as credible, even admirable? That depends on how things pan out really doesn't it? I'll take it one game at a time for now. What I wanted from the manager was a defined style and some organisation above all else, and tbf in the last few games I'm seeing it for the first time in a year. If he can keep that up and adapt to sides that look to nullify it then he'll deserve credit no doubt. I don't expect us to be winning CL spots, but if we can show progress every year then that's all anyone can ask for. Maybe people just shouldn't be criticised for supporting the players/manager etc.. even if you personally think they are a bit deluded? Never understand why some get so angry at the "happy, clappy" brigade. More power to them tbh at least they seem to enjoy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Contrasting "Pardew" things over the weekend. Friday bumped into a bunch of fans from around England and Northern Ireland who were of the opinion that Pardew was a good manager and couldn't understand why we didn't like him. A couple used the anti-southern thing as a possible reason and without actually using the "D" word they wondered why we thought we could get a better manager than him right now? Of course I tried to explain that the majority of fans think he's an ok manager, some rate him higher than that and some don't. Saturday afternoon, unless my ears were mistaking me, I heard a long and loud "Alan Pardew's black and white army" from the Strawberry corner. Certainly not much sign of anti southern bias or delusions of courting a "bigger" manager there then. I feel much better after reading that, thanks. Aye that chant must have been grating on you. I'll be surprised if that doesn't come back to bite them on the arse tbh. They were chanting it during the worse points this season and last as well which riled a fair few on here. Rather than biting them in the arse, maybe their patient support could be seen as credible, even admirable? That depends on how things pan out really doesn't it? I'll take it one game at a time for now. What I wanted from the manager was a defined style and some organisation above all else, and tbf in the last few games I'm seeing it for the first time in a year. If he can keep that up and adapt to sides that look to nullify it then he'll deserve credit no doubt. I don't expect us to be winning CL spots, but if we can show progress every year then that's all anyone can ask for. Maybe people just shouldn't be criticised for supporting the players/manager etc.. even if you personally think they are a bit deluded? Never understand why some get so angry at the "happy, clappy" brigade. More power to them tbh at least they seem to enjoy it. Yes some go over the top in attacking the happy clappy brigade, but on a forum like this there's going to be disagreements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Copy the wrestling with a "let's go Pardew, Pardew sucks" chant and see who wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Contrasting "Pardew" things over the weekend. Friday bumped into a bunch of fans from around England and Northern Ireland who were of the opinion that Pardew was a good manager and couldn't understand why we didn't like him. A couple used the anti-southern thing as a possible reason and without actually using the "D" word they wondered why we thought we could get a better manager than him right now? Of course I tried to explain that the majority of fans think he's an ok manager, some rate him higher than that and some don't. Saturday afternoon, unless my ears were mistaking me, I heard a long and loud "Alan Pardew's black and white army" from the Strawberry corner. Certainly not much sign of anti southern bias or delusions of courting a "bigger" manager there then. I feel much better after reading that, thanks. Aye that chant must have been grating on you. I'll be surprised if that doesn't come back to bite them on the arse tbh. They were chanting it during the worse points this season and last as well which riled a fair few on here. Rather than biting them in the arse, maybe their patient support could be seen as credible, even admirable? That depends on how things pan out really doesn't it? I'll take it one game at a time for now. What I wanted from the manager was a defined style and some organisation above all else, and tbf in the last few games I'm seeing it for the first time in a year. If he can keep that up and adapt to sides that look to nullify it then he'll deserve credit no doubt. I don't expect us to be winning CL spots, but if we can show progress every year then that's all anyone can ask for. Maybe people just shouldn't be criticised for supporting the players/manager etc.. even if you personally think they are a bit deluded? Never understand why some get so angry at the "happy, clappy" brigade. More power to them tbh at least they seem to enjoy it. Yes some go over the top in attacking the happy clappy brigade, but on a forum like this there's going to be disagreements. Of course but it is getting a bit silly now, when you start seeing people having a dig at people like Ian W in the general chat forum about his football opinions.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Ben Arfa would be the first name on the teamsheet for me, and probably 90% of managers. For the squad we have though, playing the way we are at the minute, there isn't really much room for him in Pardew's side. I certainly prefer this than being trounced every week like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Ben Arfa would be the first name on the teamsheet for me, and probably 90% of managers. For the squad we have though, playing the way we are at the minute, there isn't really much room for him in Pardew's side. I certainly prefer this than being trounced every week like. for me its very similar to the 5th place season in the back to basics right now but hopefully now as then as confidence builds we can improve the attacking side. Still on the bright side the football is by no ones standards bad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 We could win every single game this season and I'd still have the same opinion of him. Think he's unnecessarily negative in both his words and team setup. We're on target to qualify for that Europe that he was glad we weren't in this year though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 We're doing much better & playing a nicer style of football mostly. The key issue for me is still what happens when the opposition scores first or we go behind in a game. Thats our weakness, no coincidence that hasnt happened in the last 4 wins. Clean sheets & scoring first are very important for us to do well, it cant always be like that if we're to be a top side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 We're doing much better & playing a nicer style of football mostly. The key issue for me is still what happens when the opposition scores first or we go behind in a game. Thats our weakness, no coincidence that hasnt happened in the last 4 wins. Clean sheets & scoring first are very important for us to do well, it cant always be like that if we're to be a top side. the key could be how Pardew handles a much improved bench, compare the bench yesterday to any from most of last season and apart from a woefully out of form Cisse there's decent options on there to change things around when necessary whether he will or not more often than he has is still debatable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 We could win every single game this season and I'd still have the same opinion of him. Think he's unnecessarily negative in both his words and team setup. We're on target to qualify for that Europe that he was glad we weren't in this year though Me too. Hopefully he does the right thing and resigns if we qualify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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