Stuy_O Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Bringing in Kinnear as a hired detective is frankly ludicrous. Look at the damage he's caused and he's not been here a week yet. The man is walking napalm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 not easy to find a better scout, but a better manager/coach wouldn't be hard to spot. A manager who would accept that the scout has more say on his squad than him, who would take the job under those conditions, not to mention now the JFK factor. That's certainly my stance on why i don't want Pardew gone, just can't see other managers around who can work under the conditions given. It certainly doesn't make it any easier for the manager knowing he doesn't have much control or have a big say within the club. The JFK makes things even worse. I wouldn't trust MA to pick me a sandwich let alone pick Newcastle's next manager ever again. Hope Pardew stays as long as he is here to stop from any further embarrassment appointments. Once new owners come in, i’ll be more than happy to join the Pardew out brigade and shift him on for someone a hell of a lot better. You could approach the overwhelming majority of foreign managers on the understanding that someone above them would be in charge of bringing in players and it would be fine. They'd expect to influence the choice of targets but by no means to control it. The idea that a manager brings players in is pretty much a British one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 He's clearly going to be a spy in the camp which means he'll be told only what AP etc want to tell him. Recipe for disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Columbo's pissed up mentally deranged cousin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Yeah perhaps the role itself makes sense but I'm struggling to think of anyone I'd put below Kinnear on the pecking order for that job. He's a terrible communicator and is almost emblematic of everything that is primitive about English football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 There is a simple solution to all our problems include a swear jar in Kinnear's contract, should bolster the transfer kitty considerably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Columbo's pissed up mentally deranged cousin. "Just...one more fucking thing, you cunt." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Columbo's pissed up mentally deranged cousin. "Just...one more fucking thing, you cunt." Excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 And actually.... thinking it over If there was a clash between Pardew and Carr then absolutely the best thing I could imagine would be a token figurehead to make sure Carr's talent is not wasted while Pardew is given an excuse to be less concerned with transfers. The only more direct way of doing it would be to make Graham Carr Director of Football, which he probably doesn't want anyway and which would just cause open warfare. It could be that bringing in some clod just to fulfill that role is the most efficient way of getting manager and scout to work together. Now all they have to do is lock Kinnear in a dark room and make sure he never speaks to anyone in the media ever again. You're definitely not determined to defend Ashley no matter what, yet you're on here defending the Kinnear appointment. I thought it was the first move of Ashley's that you couldn't in any way defend, but you've managed it pretty sharpish. You couldn't make it up. I've said time and time again that I think bringing in Kinnear is very daft indeed. What I did there was to try to make some sense of the rationale behind it, which I've so far failed to do, but in the light of this stuff about Pardew vs Carr, some new possibilities emerge and it's interesting to discuss them. The idea that he's there solely to act as a buffer and isn't actually here to run the football club is about the most positive spin you can put on it. It *could* be that bringing in some clod to fulfill that role is the most efficient way of getting manager and scout to work together - that doesn't translate to "right, I've decided that bringing Joe Kinnear in was the right decision". Does it. No. Again, you seem desperate to maintain your image of me as someone who will defend everything Ashley does. So let me recap just to be clear: - I would sooner have Joe Kinnear nowhere near NUFC. He is a buffoon. Appointing him is a bad idea and I've found it impossible to make sense of. - If he is here purely to stop Pardew and Carr's disagreements bringing the club to a grinding standstill rather than to function as a true Director of Football, that is the best case scenario under these circumstances, and it is just about possible that bringing in some token 3rd guy (though ideally not Kinnear) might be the easiest/best way to sort out the Pardew / Carr thing. Is that clear? There's no need to be patronising, I'm saying that everything I've read from you is excessively pro-Ashley and you trying to find any sense or justification in this appointment in an attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt just cements that. That clear? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Fucking sick of pre-season / next season already. Can't see us signing anyone worthwhile and convinced more disappointment to come, sucks to be a nufc fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 And actually.... thinking it over If there was a clash between Pardew and Carr then absolutely the best thing I could imagine would be a token figurehead to make sure Carr's talent is not wasted while Pardew is given an excuse to be less concerned with transfers. The only more direct way of doing it would be to make Graham Carr Director of Football, which he probably doesn't want anyway and which would just cause open warfare. It could be that bringing in some clod just to fulfill that role is the most efficient way of getting manager and scout to work together. Now all they have to do is lock Kinnear in a dark room and make sure he never speaks to anyone in the media ever again. You're definitely not determined to defend Ashley no matter what, yet you're on here defending the Kinnear appointment. I thought it was the first move of Ashley's that you couldn't in any way defend, but you've managed it pretty sharpish. You couldn't make it up. I've said time and time again that I think bringing in Kinnear is very daft indeed. What I did there was to try to make some sense of the rationale behind it, which I've so far failed to do, but in the light of this stuff about Pardew vs Carr, some new possibilities emerge and it's interesting to discuss them. The idea that he's there solely to act as a buffer and isn't actually here to run the football club is about the most positive spin you can put on it. It *could* be that bringing in some clod to fulfill that role is the most efficient way of getting manager and scout to work together - that doesn't translate to "right, I've decided that bringing Joe Kinnear in was the right decision". Does it. No. Again, you seem desperate to maintain your image of me as someone who will defend everything Ashley does. So let me recap just to be clear: - I would sooner have Joe Kinnear nowhere near NUFC. He is a buffoon. Appointing him is a bad idea and I've found it impossible to make sense of. - If he is here purely to stop Pardew and Carr's disagreements bringing the club to a grinding standstill rather than to function as a true Director of Football, that is the best case scenario under these circumstances, and it is just about possible that bringing in some token 3rd guy (though ideally not Kinnear) might be the easiest/best way to sort out the Pardew / Carr thing. Is that clear? There's no need to be patronising, I'm saying that everything I've read from you is excessively pro-Ashley and you trying to find any sense or justification in this appointment in an attempt to give him the benefit of the doubt just cements that. That clear? I wasn't dressing you down but your openly mocking my post kind of means I don't care if you feel a bit patronised. I meant literally, "Is that clear?" As in "do you understand what I'm trying to say this time?" Because you get the wrong end of the stick (with me) quite a lot and it gets exasperating. Trying to understand what the hell Ashley is playing at, trying to second-guess his motivation and work out what kind of sense, if any, Kinnear's arrival makes, is not a pro-Ashley thing to do, sorry. It's a concerned, inquisitive, pro-NUFC thing to do. Particularly in the context of me saying what a terrible decision I thought it was, which I've said quite a few times now. How in the hell do you read all that and see nothing but a defence of Mike Ashley?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Meh, can't be arsed whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 No, you don't strike me as someone who likes to consider other viewpoints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Moody Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 popcorn gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I had this conversation on Facebook for months on end, I'm not doing it again. I'm fine having debates on any number of topics on here, I'm just saying I'm not interested in having this one, with you, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Columbo's p*ssed up mentally deranged cousin. "Just...one more f***ing thing, you c***." :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tollemache Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Eh? We had a totally different conversation on Facebook, about transfer policy in the main, if I recall (and yes, I was fairly pro-Ashley on that one because I think our transfer policy has been spot on). You thought the club was going to shit because we wouldn't invest, I thought our being cautious about investment was a good sign. This is about JFK coming back though - a completely different subject - and on that score I'm not pro-Ashley at all. It's weird that you're bleeding these things together Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Shit, don't think I could handle talking about NUFC on Facebook as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 IF the reason for Kinnear being brought in is, as suggested by recent media reports, disagreement between Carr and Pardew about the quality of players brought in on Carr's recommendation AND he wouldn't be able to judge with his own eyes who was right AND he wanted somebody's qualified opinion on the matter AND the only footballing person he trusts is Kinnear THEN why not discuss the topic over a beer in their local watering hole? Why oh why give Kinnear a 3 year deal as DoF. Makes no sense at all this "theory"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slippery Sam Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 IF the reason for Kinnear being brought in is, as suggested by recent media reports, disagreement between Carr and Pardew about the quality of players brought in on Carr's recommendation AND he wouldn't be able to judge with his own eyes who was right AND he wanted somebody's qualified opinion on the matter AND the only footballing person he trusts is Kinnear THEN why not discuss the topic over a beer in their local watering hole? Why oh why give Kinnear a 3 year deal as DoF. Makes no sense at all this "theory"... It does sound like Parsnip has whinged and whinged at the end of season meeting about player abilities. Ashley has fallen for his patter so wants this fuckwit Kinear to come in and run the rule. Basically Pardew has blamed everyone but himself for last season and Ashley has bought it, rather than give him the bullet [which he should have, imo] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 IF the reason for Kinnear being brought in is, as suggested by recent media reports, disagreement between Carr and Pardew about the quality of players brought in on Carr's recommendation AND he wouldn't be able to judge with his own eyes who was right AND he wanted somebody's qualified opinion on the matter AND the only footballing person he trusts is Kinnear THEN why not discuss the topic over a beer in their local watering hole? Why oh why give Kinnear a 3 year deal as DoF. Makes no sense at all this "theory"... It does sound like Parsnip has whinged and whinged at the end of season meeting about player abilities. Ashley has fallen for his patter so wants this fuckwit Kinear to come in and run the rule. Basically Pardew has blamed everyone but himself for last season and Ashley has bought it, rather than give him the bullet [which he should have, imo] Fuck me. 'Ok, Alan, you're absolutely right. Your players are shit and everyone else is to blame. I'll give you a helping hand next season, and I'll do that by marginalising your mate so that he resigns and - here's the bit you'll love - I'll appoint Joe Kinnear as your Director of Football. Magic.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 IF the reason for Kinnear being brought in is, as suggested by recent media reports, disagreement between Carr and Pardew about the quality of players brought in on Carr's recommendation AND he wouldn't be able to judge with his own eyes who was right AND he wanted somebody's qualified opinion on the matter AND the only footballing person he trusts is Kinnear THEN why not discuss the topic over a beer in their local watering hole? Why oh why give Kinnear a 3 year deal as DoF. Makes no sense at all this "theory"... It does sound like Parsnip has whinged and whinged at the end of season meeting about player abilities. Ashley has fallen for his patter so wants this fuckwit Kinear to come in and run the rule. Basically Pardew has blamed everyone but himself for last season and Ashley has bought it, rather than give him the bullet [which he should have, imo] f*** me. 'Ok, Alan, you're absolutely right. Your players are s*** and everyone else is to blame. I'll give you a helping hand next season, and I'll do that by marginalising your mate so that he resigns and - here's the bit you'll love - I'll appoint Joe Kinnear as your Director of Football. Magic.' Pardew: "Consider me well and truely delighted to be working with a proper football man" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 IF the reason for Kinnear being brought in is, as suggested by recent media reports, disagreement between Carr and Pardew about the quality of players brought in on Carr's recommendation AND he wouldn't be able to judge with his own eyes who was right AND he wanted somebody's qualified opinion on the matter AND the only footballing person he trusts is Kinnear THEN why not discuss the topic over a beer in their local watering hole? Why oh why give Kinnear a 3 year deal as DoF. Makes no sense at all this "theory"... It does sound like Parsnip has whinged and whinged at the end of season meeting about player abilities. Ashley has fallen for his patter so wants this fuckwit Kinear to come in and run the rule. Basically Pardew has blamed everyone but himself for last season and Ashley has bought it, rather than give him the bullet [which he should have, imo] Why would it take Kinnear 3 years to run the rule over our players, and why should he have a formal executive role at NUFC to do this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 IF the reason for Kinnear being brought in is, as suggested by recent media reports, disagreement between Carr and Pardew about the quality of players brought in on Carr's recommendation AND he wouldn't be able to judge with his own eyes who was right AND he wanted somebody's qualified opinion on the matter AND the only footballing person he trusts is Kinnear THEN why not discuss the topic over a beer in their local watering hole? Why oh why give Kinnear a 3 year deal as DoF. Makes no sense at all this "theory"... It does sound like Parsnip has whinged and whinged at the end of season meeting about player abilities. Ashley has fallen for his patter so wants this fuckwit Kinear to come in and run the rule. Basically Pardew has blamed everyone but himself for last season and Ashley has bought it, rather than give him the bullet [which he should have, imo] Why would it take Kinnear 3 years to run the rule over our players, and why should he have a formal executive role at NUFC to do this? sobering up time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Why would it take Kinnear 3 years to run the rule over our players, and why should he have a formal executive role at NUFC to do this? It'll take him 3 bastard years to get his point over because the senile old bastard will not know who he's talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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