Offside rule

[joeyt]

4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

How's it worse than that last night? It was the correct decision under the offside law, but that shouldn't even come into question about being an offside. 

 

 

 

 

You're just moving the problem

 

 

This is surely gaining an advantage but the daylight rule would say it's fine?

 

Also for leagues that don't use VAR how are you proposing to train linesmen on this?

[joeyt]

Still don't understand why we have to rip up a good rule in football that has worked for decades just for some poxy technology that is ruining the enjoyment of the game

[Optimistic Nut]

7 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Still don't understand why we have to rip up a good rule in football that has worked for decades just for some poxy technology that is ruining the enjoyment of the game

 

Passing back to the keeper to pick up was widely accepted for 100 years. 

 

 

Edited February 11 by Optimistic Nut

[Optimistic Nut]

21 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

You're just moving the problem

 

 

This is surely gaining an advantage but the daylight rule would say it's fine?

 

Also for leagues that don't use VAR how are you proposing to train linesmen on this?

 

This was a long way offside in the current guise. The equivalent under a daylight law would be him clear of Tiote by about half a metre. 

[bobbydazzla]

16 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Passing back to the keeper to pick up was widely accepted for 100 years. 

 

 

 

 

A minor change to the rules that didn't majorly change the dynamic of the game. It just restricted a certain type of pass.

 

VAR and all the other screen based shite has fundamentally changed the entire experience of watching and playing a game of football.

 

 

[Optimistic Nut]

6 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

A minor change to the rules that didn't majorly change the dynamic of the game. It just restricted a certain type of pass.

 

VAR and all the other screen based shite has fundamentally changed the entire experience of watching and playing a game of football.

 

 

 

Have you seen the video of Denmark in the Euro 92 Final?

[El Prontonise]

7 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

A minor change to the rules that didn't majorly change the dynamic of the game. It just restricted a certain type of pass.

 

VAR and all the other screen based shite has fundamentally changed the entire experience of watching and playing a game of football.

 

 

 

That did change the sport a lot.  It was a very positive rule change.

[Optimistic Nut]

Also, if you're in the stands or watching on telly, you're far more likely to suspect they might be offsidr and it be overturned, over some of the shite we're seeing at the moment. That's got to be better for the spectacle?

 

 

Edited February 11 by Optimistic Nut

[The Prophet]

Could you not just thicken the line or have a "buffer zone" in front of it to increase the margin for error?

[Kid Icarus]

17 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

This was a long way offside in the current guise. The equivalent under a daylight law would be him clear of Tiote by about half a metre. 

Okay, so what happens when he's 49.9cm further to the left?

[Loki679]

10 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Could you not just thicken the line or have a "buffer zone" in front of it to increase the margin for error?

 

It doesn't really matter where or how you draw the lines, the problem is in the interpretation and implementation.  You're still gonna get cases where it's right on the edge so some primary school prowler is going to spend 5 minutes meticulously examining the replay before making whichever decision is best for Cartel Utd.

 

Just take VAR off offsides and let the lino make the call.  Limit VAR to serious foul play or, even better, scrap the whole stupid idea.

[McDog]

My thoughts:

1) Simplify the law. The attackers front foot must be level or behind the last defender.

2) Var should only rule offside if it is clear and obvious.

 

I certainly realize "what is clear and obvious" is still subjective but it is one hell of a lot clearer that slowing it down, zooming in and watching it 5 times. If you watch it a couple of times and are not sure, check is over. Onside. No zooming in and watching it 5 times. Having to zoom in already rules out "obvious".

[joeyt]

41 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

This was a long way offside in the current guise. The equivalent under a daylight law would be him clear of Tiote by about half a metre. 

 

It's not a long way offside though in the daylight law, his left foot could easily be touching the line which has been drawn on

 

He's clearly gaining an advantage here

 

 

Edited February 11 by joeyt

[Jackie Broon]

53 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Passing back to the keeper to pick up was widely accepted for 100 years. 

 

 

 

 

And still is, happens all the time and I can't remember the last time I saw an indirect free kick given for it.

[joeyt]

57 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Passing back to the keeper to pick up was widely accepted for 100 years. 

 

 

 

 

What's so fundamentally wrong with the offside rule that has been used for decades that now needs changing?

[samptime29]

Still raging LOL

[1964]

1 minute ago, joeyt said:

 

What's so fundamentally wrong with the offside rule that has been used for decades that now needs changing?

Nothing, and there's nothing wrong with VAR, it's the buffoons operating and interpreting it that are the problem

[joeyt]

17 minutes ago, 1964 said:

Nothing, and there's nothing wrong with VAR, it's the buffoons operating and interpreting it that are the problem

 

That's not true though, if there's any human element to it there's going to be different interpretations because decisions aren't black and white like a line call in tennis

 

As long as there's humans involved using VAR then it won't work. And if we decide to just automate everything and remove referees completely then we may as well just fold the whole sport

[toontownman]

Not too drawn on whether I like the rule or not as there are pros and cons to this and any adjustment.

 

What is most vitally important is clarity and consistency. If its against the rules, its against the rules. It should be judged consistently as such. Same with pulling shirts, handballs, talking back to the referee and everything else. Officials have to be consistent. Rule makers need to cut out any grey areas.

 

With current technology there is no reason not to be.

[joeyt]

My 4 stages of that Willock goal yesterday 

 

1) Ramsey passes Willock the ball and I assume he's offside as he had acres of spacem behind their defence. Assume the linesman will put his flag up

 

2) Willock scores and the camera cuts to him wheeling away so there's clearly no flag.  Maybe I've seen it wrong and I can start to tentatively get excited we've scored 

 

3) Here comes the replay, oh he looks clearly onside from that freeze frame I can belatedly celebrate us scoring

 

4) Celebrations finish and the commentator tells us they're still checking it. Then the commentator (not the VAR) tells us it's going to be disallowed? And the freeze frame shows Willock's hair is offside?

 

It's an absolutely exhausting emotional roller coaster and not in a good way. 

 

Anyone saying that technology (not the offside law) isn't ruining and diluting the experience for a fan, player or staff is talking nonsense

[Optimistic Nut]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

 

What's so fundamentally wrong with the offside rule that has been used for decades that now needs changing?

The fact that last night was a factually correct decision. Same with Haaland against us, and countless others.

 

The example with the line being from Aguero's foot to Tiote, if the law is daylight, it's not gaining an unfair advantage, he's playing within the laws of the game. It'd be dicey because it's right, but if he's off, there's no grey area. 

 

No VAR, you're also a lot happier to accept if that got pulled up, than the absolute guesswork which is involved in the rule as it stands. The guideline years ago was "daylight" even though it wasn't law, but it was definitely workable. Just make the law daylight and there's no longer a grey area.

[Optimistic Nut]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

 

What's so fundamentally wrong with the offside rule that has been used for decades that now needs changing?

 

Also, go have a look at what was fundamentally wrong with the backpass rule that had been used for over a century that needed changing 34 years ago.

 

 

 

That was perfectly acceptable, should we have kept that?

 

 

[Drewboy74]

9 minutes ago, joeyt said:

My 4 stages of that Willock goal yesterday 

 

1) Ramsey passes Willock the ball and I assume he's offside as he had acres of spacem behind their defence. Assume the linesman will put his flag up

 

2) Willock scores and the camera cuts to him wheeling away so there's clearly no flag.  Maybe I've seen it wrong and I can start to tentatively get excited we've scored 

 

3) Here comes the replay, oh he looks clearly onside from that freeze frame I can belatedly celebrate us scoring

 

4) Celebrations finish and the commentator tells us they're still checking it. Then the commentator (not the VAR) tells us it's going to be disallowed? And the freeze frame shows Willock's hair is offside?

 

It's an absolutely exhausting emotional roller coaster and not in a good way. 

 

Anyone saying that technology (not the offside law) isn't ruining and diluting the experience for a fan, player or staff is talking nonsense

Honestly, its destroyed the game. At the very least, put something on the TV to show what stage VAR is at. 

[Drewboy74]

3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Also, go have a look at what was fundamentally wrong with the backpass rule that had been used for over a century that needed changing 34 years ago.

 

 

 

That was perfectly acceptable, should we have kept that?

 

 

 that wasn't even the dark arts, just completely normal. Horrible!

[bobbydazzla]

2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Have you seen the video of Denmark in the Euro 92 Final?

You know what I meant.

 

Changing the backpass rule doesnt suddenly mean that no-one could be sure if a goal would stand until a computer or VAR operator had decided in the goal should stand. With everyone waiting for ages for a decision to be made.