Hughesy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Absolutely no way Dummett could ever become 'one hell of a centre back' - almost regardless of he is paired with or coached by. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Mong of the week the competition on here, like. I think people have forgotten what a CB actually does after years of having ones that can't defend. Size and inexperience are the only things holding him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I think it's probably ok for people to have differing opinions to yours without you calling them a mong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Aye, that's canny mean of you, Ronny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It's the same old crap. Young local lad must be poor even though he's had very few bad games and does everything pretty well you'd want from a CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It's the same old crap. Young local lad must be poor even though he's had very few bad games and does everything pretty well you'd want from a CB. Not really- I think it's an honest assessment this guy will never be as good as what we need to get higher in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Quite a ridiculous statement given that he's clearly already an improvement on what we're starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Quite a ridiculous statement given that he's clearly already an improvement on what we're starting. Not really its in regards to pushing forwards. And it's hard to gauge as fact what you have just said based on his around about 5 appearances at cb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Not when the alternative is Mike Williamson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 It's the same old crap. Young local lad must be poor even though he's had very few bad games and does everything pretty well you'd want from a CB. Who else has this been applied to btw given it's the same old crap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I look at Dummett and don't see many, if any, of the attributes I want from a centre half (or certainly someone who could be labelled as being one hell of a centre half). He isn't (as you have acknowledged) tall enough, he isn't strong enough and he isn't that good in the air. He isn't very quick and I haven't seen anything from him to suggest that he is going to grow into a great reader of the game or a leader at the back. Least importantly for me, he isn't comfortable on the ball. I don't see many outstanding attributes for someone who is already 23. Having said all that - I'd have him in the team over Williamson every day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Where has this lack of strength and aerial ability been apparent? You're just making things up now. He's certainly not slow, either. He's perfectly fine on the ball for a 23-year-old CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Where has this lack of strength and aerial ability been apparent? You're just making things up now. He's certainly not slow, either. He's perfectly fine on the ball for a 23-year-old CB. I don't think he wins enough headers for a centre half in the PL - not sure I need to list a series of examples to hold this view (I suppose the glaring one was where a bang average Fletcher dominated him in the air all game). And unlike peak Coloccini or the player MYM we know is, I don't think he has enough other outstanding attributes to make up for the fact he doesn't excel in any particular department (i.e. Colo's reading of the game and anticipation, MYM's speed etc). We can agree to disagree about how comfortable he is on the ball. I don't have much confidence in him when he has the ball at his feet. At both LB and CB he often resorted to Williamson-esque hoofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Criticism for his first PL start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Why the fuck did we sell Mapow Yanga Mbiya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Criticism for his first PL start. Second start they are fair game though, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have certainly never written a player off based on their first or second start in this league. Inexperience is never an acceptable excuse for lack of effort, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Carvery Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have certainly never written a player off based on their first or second start in this league. Inexperience is never an acceptable excuse for lack of effort, mind. The Commander of player write-offs has spoken! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have Janmaat for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Got no problem with him as first choice cb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have certainly never written a player off based on their first or second start in this league. Inexperience is never an acceptable excuse for lack of effort, mind. I haven't written off because of his first start - I just gave an example that sprang to mind. I've watched enough of him to not rate him particularly highly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 The only example you can provide is his first PL start. He's never had games anywhere near as bad as Colo, Williamson, Taylor and MYM have in the past 2 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Name-calling notwithstanding, you've now pedaled back from "one hell of a centre back" to "take him any day over Willo, marrah!" Anyways, nobody is saying he's not better than Willo, all we took exception to was the aggrandizement of his supposed potential. At least personally-speaking, I reserve adjectives like "one hell of..." for special players who have shown something extraordinary or above average. Like I said, if he carves out a decent career as a regularly-starting premier league CB, he and most of the fans will be pleased with how his career would've panned out. Currently even that is looking unlikely. And take your name calling somewhere else as nobody was being aggressive or defensive in this discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 He's probably the best defender at the club atm. Certainly the best full back when it comes to defending we have Janmaat for me. as an all round full back sure easily the best but imho Dummett is just a more solid defender Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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