The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[CallumG6]

7 minutes ago, toon25 said:

'SIR' Gareth Southgate 

[The Butcher]

[SteV]

36 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

There’s not even many English managers at foreign clubs either. Bizarre how few there seem to be.

[CallumG6]

35 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Colleague of mine is a UEFA B License coach and mentioned the lack of English managers available when the England job came up.

 

He basically puts it down to firstly the cost. To get all your licenses up to UEFA Pro, it's the best part of £20,000. Then you throw in the reluctance to hire managers who haven't played the game professionally and this is the result.

We really need to start investing in coaches in this country, the whole hiring ex-professional players thing is clearly not working. 

[gjohnson]

3 minutes ago, CallumG6 said:

Colleague of mine is a UEFA B License coach and mentioned the lack of English managers available when the England job came up.

 

He basically puts it down to firstly the cost. To get all your licenses up to UEFA Pro, it's the best part of £20,000. Then you throw in the reluctance to hire managers who haven't played the game professionally and this is the result.

We really need to start investing in coaches in this country, the whole hiring ex-professional players thing is clearly not working. 

And whoppers like Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard can walk into jobs, demonstrate that they're not good enough then sail off into the sunset with a nicely padded pension fund...then you get tools like Ince spouting that he doesn't get manager jobs because he's black. No mate, it's cos you weren't very good at managing and showed it over a few clubs.

 

It's always been a 'jobs for the boys' culture and probably always will be...hell even Pep wouldn't have had a chance of managing Barcelona if he hadn't been one of their best players in the first place.

 

For every great player that becomes a great manager there 10 great players who ultimately end up being bobbins.

 

Combination of right mentality, right time, right place is what's needed but that's the gold dust everyone's chasing

[Groundhog63]

1 hour ago, gjohnson said:

And whoppers like Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard can walk into jobs, demonstrate that they're not good enough then sail off into the sunset with a nicely padded pension fund...then you get tools like Ince spouting that he doesn't get manager jobs because he's black. No mate, it's cos you weren't very good at managing and showed it over a few clubs.

 

It's always been a 'jobs for the boys' culture and probably always will be...hell even Pep wouldn't have had a chance of managing Barcelona if he hadn't been one of their best players in the first place.

 

For every great player that becomes a great manager there 10 great players who ultimately end up being bobbins.

 

Combination of right mentality, right time, right place is what's needed but that's the gold dust everyone's chasing

 

Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard didn't swan off into the sunset after being shit, tho, they carry on getting gigs. 

Ince, on the other hand, hasn't. 

Maybees THAT'S because he's black. 

Who knows 🤔

[JEToon]

Shameful that always look fat no matter how thin he gets prick Martin is pumping Pinder like.  

[JEToon]

1 hour ago, gjohnson said:

And whoppers like Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard can walk into jobs, demonstrate that they're not good enough then sail off into the sunset with a nicely padded pension fund...then you get tools like Ince spouting that he doesn't get manager jobs because he's black. No mate, it's cos you weren't very good at managing and showed it over a few clubs.

 

It's always been a 'jobs for the boys' culture and probably always will be...hell even Pep wouldn't have had a chance of managing Barcelona if he hadn't been one of their best players in the first place.

 

For every great player that becomes a great manager there 10 great players who ultimately end up being bobbins.

 

Combination of right mentality, right time, right place is what's needed but that's the gold dust everyone's chasing

 

Gerrard was great at Rangers really, done all that could be asked of him, it wasn’t that mad he got the Villa job and now he in the arse end of football, he doesn’t really match the profile of the other two, he's not really failed that much 

 

 

Edited December 16, 2024 by JEToon

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, JEToon said:

 

Gerrard was great at Rangers really, done all that could be asked of him, it wasn’t that mad he got the Villa job and now he in the arse end of football, he doesn’t really match the profile of the other two, he's not really failed that much 

 

 

 

He won a two horse race with Rangers when Celtic where having one of their bi-decadely wobbles. Think Emery's achievements at Villa show how poor he was, and the fact that he's on the verge of being sacked by a Saudi team despite having some of the leagues best players.

 

If his name wasn't Gerrard he wouldn't have had a look in

[JEToon]

2 hours ago, gjohnson said:

He won a two horse race with Rangers when Celtic where having one of their bi-decadely wobbles. Think Emery's achievements at Villa show how poor he was, and the fact that he's on the verge of being sacked by a Saudi team despite having some of the leagues best players.

 

If his name wasn't Gerrard he wouldn't have had a look in

 

 

Nah, that well undersells what he actually done with Rangers to be honest.  

 

They went from a team being knocked out European qualifiers by Progress Neiderkorn, finishing third in the league and drawing 5-5 with Hibs to drawing away to Vilareal in the space of months.

 

He put in place a team that would make a European Final on a shoestring budget and the league he won was as a consequence of what Rangers done that season as much as Celtic.

 

His work with them was excellent.

 

The Villa thing is evidence of how good a manager Emery is as much as it is the work of Gerrard, the Saudi thing, managers fail in jobs now and then, if they were all constantly perfect, none of them would ever be sacked, just about every manager makes an arse of it at some stage, more so when they are pretty early in their career

 

 

Edited December 16, 2024 by JEToon

[Fak]

19 minutes ago, JEToon said:

Shameful that always look fat no matter how thin he gets prick Martin is pumping Pinder like.  

[Barnes23]

From what I've read it's fair to say a great deal of the success Gerrard had with Rangers was due to the work of Michael Beale (who was responsible for much of (all?) of the actual coaching work on the grass).

[JEToon]

14 minutes ago, Barnes23 said:

From what I've read it's fair to say a great deal of the success Gerrard had with Rangers was due to the work of Michael Beale (who was responsible for much of (all?) of the actual coaching work on the grass).

 

Evidenced by the raving success Beale was when he managed Rangers on his own?

 

I would say the work of the two on their own, and that they are getting back together suggests they probably/might work best together, Beale seems like a bit of a weirdo who needs managed 

 

 

Edited December 16, 2024 by JEToon

[Mikky]

12 minutes ago, Barnes23 said:

From what I've read it's fair to say a great deal of the success Gerrard had with Rangers was due to the work of Michael Beale (who was responsible for much of (all?) of the actual coaching work on the grass).

I don’t particularly buy into this way of thinking - Sir Alex used to delegate to his 2 most senior coaches (Mike Phelan and Rene Mulensteen) - Big Carlo does the same with his son … it’s how it works 

[wormy]

30 minutes ago, Mikky said:

I don’t particularly buy into this way of thinking - Sir Alex used to delegate to his 2 most senior coaches (Mike Phelan and Rene Mulensteen) - Big Carlo does the same with his son … it’s how it works 

 

And Eddie admits he simply wouldn't take a job if he can't round up at least the core of his trusted men.

 

Just looks like their SPL run was an aligning of stars considering they've reunited in Saudi and not exactly set the league alight.

 

I don't blame Villa for taking the punt at the time as you're only going to know for certain if the SPL success would translate by giving them a shot. But I'll laugh hysterically at whatever club in the top two tiers inevitably gives Gerrard another shot when he's back from Saudi.

[Barnes23]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

 

Evidenced by the raving success Beale was when he managed Rangers on his own?

 

I would say the work of the two on their own, and that they are getting back together suggests they probably/might work best together, Beale seems like a bit of a weirdo who needs managed 

 

 

 

Could be a good coach but a poor manager. Agree though that that Beale alone doesn't account for the successful spell with Rangers, just that it's a pretty big caveat to factor in. 

[Barnes23]

50 minutes ago, Mikky said:

I don’t particularly buy into this way of thinking - Sir Alex used to delegate to his 2 most senior coaches (Mike Phelan and Rene Mulensteen) - Big Carlo does the same with his son … it’s how it works 

 

Some delegation is fine of course but I'm personally suspicious of managers who would neglect coaching to the extent that Gerrard allegedly did (essentially deferring the entire thing to Beale, if reports are to be believed). I would suspect a lot more involvement on the part of the two you mentioned, especially. 

[JEToon]

50 minutes ago, Barnes23 said:

 

Some delegation is fine of course but I'm personally suspicious of managers who would neglect coaching to the extent that Gerrard allegedly did (essentially deferring the entire thing to Beale, if reports are to be believed). I would suspect a lot more involvement on the part of the two you mentioned, especially. 

Unsure of those reports?

 

Ryan Jack said Gerrard was massively involved in coaching, been numerous interviews with players saying it.

 

It was all Beale was shown to be myth a long time ago, heavily relied on his coaching yes, but that’s just smart “management” which is what he’s being asked to do. 

 

 

Edited December 16, 2024 by JEToon

[Ed210]

Must be time for someone to roll the Allerdice? 

[The College Dropout]

9 minutes ago, Ed210 said:

Must be time for someone to roll the Allerdice? 

The game is too advanced.

 

Gerrard spent a hateful at Villa and had them in the bottom 5. Emery took that same squad to the Conference League then CL. That's a bad indictment.

[SteV]

29 minutes ago, Ed210 said:

Must be time for someone to roll the Allerdice? 

That Leeds gig was his last hurrah. Half a mill for four games then ride off into the sunset.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Brucey could surely be tempted out of Blackpool with the right offer.  

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

Wolves being heavily linked with Vitor Pereira, currently at Al Shabab. Pereira has links to Jorge Mendes

[54]

Looks like Southampton are looking at Danny Rohl.

[54]

Just seen Des Buckingham got sacked as Oxford manager, thats a mental decision given how popular he is with their fanbase.